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- 1. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] British Subject 
- You could try contacting the National archives, they may be able to give you further details and meanwhile have you looked at their website as they have a large amount of leaflets and I feel sure that there must be something coving this subject.
Ruth> From: firstname.lastname@example.org> To: ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:56:41 +0000> Subject: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] British Subject> > Hello Listers> > I have been corresponding with a fellow researcher in Canada of my gggrandfather Angelo CAFFA
- 2. [ANGLO-ITALIAN] British Subject 
- There does not seem to be any record of his naturalisation in the London
Maybe he paid rates on his property and assumed that made him British !!!
At one time ( and maybe still ) 'foreigners' were not allowed to vote but
if they filled in the form and returned it I din't think anyone checked..
at least that
is what I have found.
- 3. [ANGLO-ITALIAN] British Subject 
- Hello Listers
I have been corresponding with a fellow researcher in Canada of my gggrandfather Angelo CAFFARATE who according to the 1851 census was born in Genoa about 1791 and first known child was born in Holborn in 1837.
I received the following.
I am curious David as to how it is that Angelo was listed as a British subject but was born in Italy. My theory is that he was a "denizen" of England which though it has negative connotations now it was not the case then. He would have held a letters patent
- 4. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] British Subject 
If he wasn't a British Subject, then you should be able to find his Alien Regristration Card, from 1916(that's the year, my Great Grandfathers was taken), these are very useful, for info, mine says, when he came to Birmingham, where he was working, when he left birmingham, to vist anywhere, children etc............I got mine from the West Midlands Police Musesum.
Carol.> From: email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:54:26 +0000> Subject: Re: [ANGLO-ITAL
- 5. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] British Subject 
My Grandfather claimed to be a British subject on the 1901 census, but he
wasn't, there was no trace of any application at the Home Office. I think
many of the Italians who came here in the early years, thought that if they
were here for some considerable time, nationality became automatic. I doubt
if men acquired British Nationality by marrying a British woman, but in
contrast from History of British nationality Law:
British subject status was normally lost by:
a.. In the case of a woman, upon
- 6. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] ANGLO-ITALIAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1 
- Many thanks to all who replied to my request, I will follow up your advice.
I have tried the National Archive previously when I found the naturalisation
papers of James Louis Cafferate from Genoa issued 18 Dec 1844, he did not
appear to link in with my branch of the family. Unfortunately this was the
only hit for several variants of the surname.
I will follow up the denization lists the next time I am at Kew.
- 7. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] British Subject 
- National Archives: just what I was going to suggest.
Naturalisation was an expensive process, so unless wealthy, most
Italians would not have become naturalised.
We've discussed this before I think so the list archives may have more
The AIFHS website has a brief introductory guide, including denization
- 8. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
- When the Anglo Italian FHS was first formed back in 2002, I was Vice Chair. This was a discussion we had almost from the beginning. There really was no alternative that was suitable & members researching Italian heritage in Wales, Scotland & Ireland were felt to be included in the wider sense of Anglo - they were of course included.
Furthermore, the Anglo German & in the past Anglo French FHS's had the same issue, & felt that an alternative should be considered, but as we found there really wasn't a suit
- 9. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
- On 27/02/2014 17:46, Fran Parish wrote:
> I've only recently joined the society and am English with Italian
> connections. I also have Scots relatives too and Irish! Anglo-Italian might
> put some people off I suppose. It all gets rather complicated when you try
> to find a name to include all parts of the British Isles!
I am also English with wide mainland European connections and British
Strictly speaking, Anglo does mean England but it has come to refer to
any one from the rest of the B
- 10. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
- As a Scot researching Scottish, English and Italian Ancestry, I have thought
quite a lot about this since receiving the questionnaire. The English part
of our ancestry is actually quite small so I didn't originally think that
AIFHS would be of much use to me. In fact, it has been amazingly useful. Not
only has it given me lots of general information but it has allowed me to
trace my original Italian ancestor from London to Edinburgh.
To many Scots, including myself, the word 'Anglo' does mean 'English' bu
- 11. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] ANGLO-ITALIAN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 
- I feel the name is correct,researchers know our society and the cost of change by such a small
group would be damaging in the long run,keep up the good work,Dave Carter.
>Date: 26/02/2014 07:38
>Subj: ANGLO-ITALIAN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7
> Today's Topics:
> 1. Who do you think you are? (Daphne Dashfield AIFHS)
> 2. 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society (Daphne Dashfield AIFHS)
> 3. Re: 'Anglo
- 12. [ANGLO-ITALIAN] Fwd: Re: 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
- Subject: Re: ANGLO-ITALIAN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:19:23 +0000
From: D P
i am an IRISH-ITALIAN
i dont have any issues
it aint broke dont try to mend it
On 26 February 2014 12:27, > wrote:
- 13. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] ANGLO-ITALIAN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 
Reference the use ofB Anglo-Italian I would like to make aB few points:
There are a plethora of family history societies tied to names and locations, but few which focus on specific immigrant groups.
There is already a British-Italian Society http://www.british-italian.org/,B one for Scots-ItaliansB http://www.scotsitalian.com/B and a lovely Welsh-Italian site B http://www.welshitalians.com/. I have yet to find one which is for Irish Italians though there are plenty of them. They are not family
- 14. [ANGLO-ITALIAN] 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
- Does the 'Anglo' part of the Anglo-Italian Family History Society's name
put off potential members?
Does it discourage Scottish and Welsh Italian researchers, whom the
Society was intended to include?
This came up at the last AGM. Should we change the name?
Another suggestion is that we add a strapline to the current name to
avoid the problems of rebranding and changing the name of our bank account.
I'd like to hear what other members and non-members think. Do we need to
change our name?
New name sug
- 15. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
I've only recently joined the society and am English with Italian
connections. I also have Scots relatives too and Irish! Anglo-Italian might
put some people off I suppose. It all gets rather complicated when you try
to find a name to include all parts of the British Isles! Maybe
Anglo-Italian-Gallic Society? Or Anglo-Italian-Celtic?
I can't think of anything else at the moment but if I have an inspiration
I'll be in touch.
From: Daphne Dashfield A
- 16. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
- Hi Daphne,
Just a thought - I have about 14 questionnaires back from exisiting members (which I will send in time for the meeting, if youd like me to) almost all of which suggest no name change. Im neutral on this, so if a vote was required, I might well abstain.
My thought is that we would probably need to change the Anglo-Italian portion of the name - so we need to think about this - but I do not believe that British or UK is an acceptable substitute. Which doesnt leave us much in the way of ch
- 17. [ANGLO-ITALIAN] ERMELLI: Mission Impossible? 
- I am trying to find out more on my ERMELLI family but I don't know
where they came from other than Italy! If I ever knew where they
originated, I've long forgotten. I know that's unhelpful but I'm
hoping someone may be able to help.
My uncle, Dino (Tony), was born in London in 1928 and died in 2002. He
married in 1958 and had two daughters, both still living. I know
about his wife and daughters.
A kind lady on the Anglo-Italian FHS stand at WDYTYA Live found the
information below but I haven't be
- 18. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
- I am a Welsh member of the AIFHS and I have no problem whatsoever with the
present name. To me it has always been Anglo in the British context.
From: Daphne Dashfield AIFHS [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: 25 February 2014 21:48
To: Anglo-Italian Rootsweb list
Subject: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society
Does the 'Anglo' part of the Anglo-Italian Family History Society's name put
off potential members?
Does it discourage Scott
- 19. [ANGLO-ITALIAN] Dorset Get-Together 
- Good morning.
Thank you to Phyllis and Keith Brookes for once again welcoming members of the Anglo-Italian Family History Society to their home on Saturday, 15th February.
It was a very special opportunity to indulge my passion for family history in a beautiful, relaxing location and to meet people face-to-face instead of via email, telephone and Skype. The delicious, home-made Anglo-Italian lunch was a bonus!
I can't wait for next year's gathering, Phyllis and Keith; please book me a place.
- 20. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
- I have sent in my questionnaire (although a little late) and agreed the name should stay - although very Essex based I have always considered Anglo to encompass the whole of the British Isles. And agree there is also the problem of what else could you use.
I think the idea of a strap-line sounds better - though off the top of my head cannot think what it could be.
And on the subject of the WDYTYA Show, as a volunteer who managed a day on the stand, I have to say how much I enjoyed the day. I was not sur
- 21. [ANGLO-ITALIAN] Fwd: Re: 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
- Subject: Re: ANGLO-ITALIAN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:14:08 +0000 (GMT)
From: MARK WATKINS
Reply-To: MARK WATKINS
I am another Welsh member and also have no problem with the name.
It seems unnecessary to go to the expense of changing the name, when it
is common practice to have "Anglo" in names and that of the Society is
already so well known as it is.
- 22. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
- On 28/02/2014 16:30, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
> We are all interested in researching our family history and in the
> case of this group those family members lived on/in land which is
> now called Italy. If people are offended by the word Anglo then
> leave it outof the title. Become Italian Family History Society.
Italian Family History Society would put a lot of people off if they
didn't have purely Italian family. They are likely to expect
everything to be in Italian. It would certainly p
- 23. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] 'Anglo' -Italian Family History Society 
- The focus of this list is Anglo-Italian family history research. It is
open to all and is publicly archived. It works well when people post
their queries to the list and others post suggestions - we all learn
from the answers.
I apologise if the discussion about the name of the Anglo-Italian Family
History Society (AIFHS) has upset anyone. The aim of my question is to
find out if members and non-members feel that the name doesn't reflect
the aims of the AIFHS and would deter potential members researc
- 24. [ANGLO-ITALIAN] family research 
- I'm trying to research my Italian family links but am getting nowhere
My family member is John Marcello Lucioli born about 1885 in or around
Naples. He came to London in the early 1900s and worked as a waiter. He
married Isabella McInally. His father was also John and his mother was
Any help or information would be appreciated.
- 25. Re: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] ANGLO-ITALIAN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 9 
- I am so saddened by some of these messages.
As a woman born in what was once the City State of Gent (now Capital of East Belgium - the country was created during mid 19th century) to a mother from that city and a father born in London whose surname was Bazzoni, but his mother was "Anglo-Irish" - well not quite - the Anglo bit was half Welsh.
Please just stop all this nationalistic labeling about today's generation.
We are all interested in researching our family history and in the case of this group those f
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