Hello All
Query 1)
We know that John DONEGANI and his son Mark came from COMO (Moltraiso
probably) but something puzzles me I wonder when the family became Anglican.
My Grandmother (Ethel) who was Mark's Grand daughter was a memebr of the C of
E and I was wondering if any one has any ideas as to how I can solve this
puzzle?
Ethel told me a few stories but the one that she told about her beliefs is
interesting. She said she got into to trouble for telling the priest that she
was sure he was wrong when he
Hi Daphne & Carol
Thanks for the suggestions I will work on them
John
> John, sorry I'm in the USA so not much help with Britain, but I do a lot
> of
> genealogical research in writing books that are about history.
> Sometimes in parsing out a name for spelling and/or meaning, you take it
> in
> pieces. Lanza, my own maiden name, probably came from Lancia, means
> "lancer" probably a soldier or a knight in medieval times, or earlier.
> Lances were used by knights and soldiers back long ago. My family has
I'm actually back living in the UK at the moment.
David W Mills wrote:
> Thanks, Daphne
>
> Everytime I make an enquiry I seem to learn a new "trick".....Lately I have
> had a lot of help from people in NZ....on different lists.
> Best wishes
>
> David
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> In message <48064B0D.7090000@yahoo.co.nz>
> Daphne Dashfield AIFHS wrote:
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>> Naturalisation was expensive and not many bothered with it. It may
>> depend on whether it was expensive merchandise!
>>
Many thanks for that Derek,
I don't know at the moment of any links to your Mauro, and I guess Rota
is a fairly common Bergamasco name. I'm also grateful for that
interesting text and the link.
best regards,
Martin
Djsderek@aol.com wrote:
> Martin:
>
> I confess I was disappointed to find that you are apparently descended from
> a different Rota family than that of my greatgrandfather Mauro, who was born
> in Somasca, prov. Bergamo, about 1848, and emigrated to London sometime before
> 1871.
I wonder if anyone can help with two of my relatives, my great great
grandfather BERNARDO ROTA and my great grandfather ERNESTO ROTA.
1.BERNARDO ROTA of Bergamo certainly fought in the Defence of Rome in
1848 and 1849 - I have a copy og the signed testimonial to that effect.
My Grandma always said he was 'One of the Thousand' but he's not on
the official list.
Does anybody know of a way of finding out about individual combatants
in the Defence of Rome?
Does anybody know about exploring none listed nam
In message <47FFC81E.2050401@yahoo.co.nz>
Daphne Dashfield AIFHS wrote:
[snip]
>Firstly, are you sure your family was Roman Catholic to start with?
>There were protestants in Italy (Waldensians).
I assumed they were....if they weren't then research in Como wil take on a
different aspect if I ever get there.
Going from Roman to Anglican would not be too much of a jump.... especially
if they were high Anglican. The history of the English Church is intriguing
as Henry
Thanks for the offer Ruth.As to which ones.....I really can't tell...I don't
have the date of Mark's birth to hand and don't know if his father (John)
went back to Italy or stayed, yet.
So, any help would be appreciated.
David
In message
Ruth Rowlands wrote:
>
>Hi David,
>I can translate what is on there for you, but do you want them all or just
>certain ones ???
>Ruth
>> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:19:37 +0000> From: david@t
I'm trying to do some research for a friend on his Italian family.
Can anyone advise me on how to find records of someone who arrived on the 30th Dec 1950 aboard the ship Surriento.
He and another man were sponsored by a man who had a property around the Lismore area growing bananas.
Any help apreciated.
Thanks,
Maureen
The rule about marriages only taking place in C of E applied to English
people.. not 'foreigners'. This is why so many Embassy chapels existed.
If a 'foreigner' was marrying into an English family then it would be
likely that they were married in an Anglian church.
There certainly seems to have been a lot of Italians married in St Andrew's
Holborn,
I would like to have a look through the registers, I am sure we would find
many of
our 'lost' Italians
kay
Hi John
Perhaps if you tell us what you already know (eg names, approximate
dates), and what you want to know, someone else may have further
suggestions.
I note that currently the only AGNILLERI in the Italian phone book
appear to be in Veneto, not Parma. (Search Gens on the AIFHS Links page,
putting AGNILLERI in Cognome.
http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk/links/#itsurname)
Daphne Dashfield (Geradine)
GHIRARDANI, => GERADINE, etc. - many spelling variations in London from
approx 1844
TASSI, SCRIMAG
Dear Barbara,
It was quiet common for the families to christen several of their children all at once, I can,t really say why, but I do know that the marriages often took place on the 25th of december becuase that was the day they had free from their duties/work, so maybe this also had something to do with it.
My Grandfather also from Como went into the priesthood but left before becoming one, came to England but never went to a Catholic church. On one of the WDYTYA series an Irish lady was Catholic but
Thanks a lot Ruth, that piece in Roman Forum provides a really evocative
account of the battles in which my gggrandfather took part in the
Defence of Rome,
cheers,
Martin
HELLO RUTH
Woops Caps lock on sorry.
Thank you for this... all I need to do now is find a translator...I have an
ex colleague who is itallian so I'll try her;-)
There are quite a few who will be interested in this I believe.
I'll have to have a look at that site myself.
As far as I can see the earliest date is about 1831.
A bit more to look into.
Best wishes
David Mills
In message
Ruth Rowlands wrote:
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>I have just ch
Could the name STEELE have been spelt STILE in Italy (pronounced
Steel-eh / Steel-ay)?
STILLA (Steel-ah) is also a valid surname in Italy.
Gens (Italy Surname Distribution Map
) can be useful for trying out
guesses at the original spelling for Italian surnames. It will show the
distribution across Italy today (which is, of course, different from the
19th century when a lot of emigration took place). ( Gens is in the
AIFHS Links page http://www.anglo-italianfhs.o
Martin:
I confess I was disappointed to find that you are apparently descended from
a different Rota family than that of my greatgrandfather Mauro, who was born
in Somasca, prov. Bergamo, about 1848, and emigrated to London sometime before
1871. Perhaps you are a distant relative, though, for this Somasca family
certainly had connections in Ponte San Pietro, and perhaps in Bergamo too.
You may be interested in the following excerpt from a Swiss website,
_http:/www.pubblinet.com/vvv/garibal.ht
Hi Maureen
I have put Carmine Diamante into National Archives of Australia
there are three entries for that name , one of these is definitely him
as it gives the same name for the ship and a landing date 30/12/1950.
These archives should be obtainable from the Archives.
Putting Diamante into the same website brings up 41 entries,
some of these can be viewed. One is for an Italian POW, it gives his
'home'adress
and next of kin.
kay
Just because Mark DONEGANI came with his family does not mean that the
family stayed to be found in a UK census.
In the Apennines where my family came from there was a lot of seasonal
migration to France and England because the land could not support the
population. I don't know whether there were similar migration patterns
in Como. Perhaps a merchant may have travelled with his merchandise like
the chestnut sellers?
My GGGGrandfather Luigi GHIRARDANI returned to and died in his village
(near Varsi,
Hi David
The following may be of some help. It contains Directories of various
locations. Good luck! Tina
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/
----- Original Message -----
From: "David W Mills"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:54 AM
Subject: [ANGLO-ITALIAN] DONEGANIs (again)
>
>>From various censuses I know that Mark DONEGANI (0n 1841 Census DONIGANI)
> was born in Como about 1809.
>
>>From his marriage certificate his father is John DON
Thank you for your suggestions! I'm still puzzled as to how un-Italian a name is Steel and whether my family anglicised their name. i haven't yet come across Glaves anywhere in our tree, but it's interesting that there was another Elizabeth Steel from Italy at about the same time. The Dudley website looks useful - I hadn't come across that one yet, so will investigate further.
Thanks again - your help is very much appreciated.
Regard
Julie
----- Original Message ----
From: "anglo-italian-request@roots
Dear Martin,
They may have peddlers licences at the metropolitan archives, and maybe even tennant books, It would be worth a try enquiring.
I have just found this website "The Roman forum" and it gives a 3 part discription about Garibaldi's military life, I am sure that it will be of interest to other members also and is in English. You could even contact the writer and he may be able to point you in the right dirreccion. http://www.theromanforum.com/articolo.asp?ID=403
Regards
Ruth
AIFHS
> Date: Tue, 15
I have just checked in the website that has birth records for Como town and have pulled the list of baptisms. The below record are the full details and mentions that the Godfather is Francesco Donagana from Moltrasio. one this opens the possability that the surname has been changed and two all these churches are catholic.
I am not to sure if the two sisters would be able to disinherit him, partially becuase of italian laws, mainly everything went to the eldest son. Did you now that descendants can still c
Giovanni Baptista Puricelli b c1840 in Milan, was my maternal great-great grandfather. He appears in the UK 1861 census as a bootmaker in Paddington, London, but not in the 1871 census. He is shown as the father on his daughter's (my great-grandmother) UK marriage certificate in 1879, with her mother shown as married. She never remarried and no other UK BMD records show him. Thus it seems likely that he was no longer in the UK by 1871.
Can anybody throw any light as to what else I can do to trace him and
Hello Daphne
It is the use of the name John that is causing me pause for thought. Why was
the name so thoroughly Anglicised if he did not stay?
It seems that my Uncle and my cousin are the only researchers who fully
accept the idea that Mark came over with his family.
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Daphne Dashfield wrote:
>Just because Mark DONEGANI came with his family does not mean that the
>family stayed to be found in a UK census.
I have tried to