Depending on the amount of information available (one reference versus
fifteen) I note that no information was found on John Jones and currently
identifed members of his family. Information is available on Jones, Smiths
and Whites which have not been connected (to date) to the family being
researched.
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Cyndi wrote:
> records are indicated in church minutes from churches that have
> been around since the 1830s. I have acess to some of the originals, all
> hand written of course. So what is that considered? The book itself is
> obviously primary as far as the church goes, but what about the vital
> entered into it?
Cyndi, the book itself, as you describe it, is an ORIGINAL book (rather than
PRIMARY). We may presume that the parties who actually got married did not
write the entry into the church minutes
At 04:21 PM 8/4/2002 -0400, Hofsearch@aol.com wrote:
>Hello List,
>
>I just ran across an occupation in the 1880 census which states "Breaking
>Prairie" I haven't seen this before or heard of it. Could someone from the
>list please tell me what this means?
>
>Thanks for your time
>
>Cindy Hofmeister
>hofsearch@aol.com
I guess you have to live on the prairie to understand the meaning of
"Breaking Prairie" :-)
The pioneers used a "breaking plow" to "break the prairie". This was a
special type of plow that
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yesterday.
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Heck you guys are so smart! Thats why I keep you around. ;-) All your
answers were very helpful and gave me things to think about that I never
thought of before. Now here is another couple question:
Here in NY State we don't have vitals prior to 1880. It was not a law
till then and took a few years till everbody did it. Some places did it
on their own before that but that is not the norm. So if someone asks
for a marriage or birth record prior to 1880, I can't get it. BUT some
of these records a
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I have been wrestling with this question for some time now. I am sure
others on this list have dealt with it, so any advise would be welcome.
Frankly, I am not even sure how to ask it, but here goes.
I include each source I check, regardless of the results. Sometimes nothing
is found and that is easy. But when the results are negative for positive
connections to the client's ancestors, yet produce lots of material with the
surname(s) of interest, in the same time, in the same place, should I list
each i
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How about the family I found on a census in south Louisiana:
Surname for all of them: The Prophet
Head of household: Isaiah
Census taker: "What's your name?"
Man: "I'm Isaiah the Prophet."
Sure.
Joan N. Lowrey
La Jolla, CA
> >When searching for my own family I found Wm Arbuckle under Wm R. Buckle.
> >Susan Koelble, CGRS
> >
>
>And then there's Hank Jones' example of "Human Gomery" for "Hugh Montgomery"!
>
>Christine
>
>Christine Crawford-Oppenheimer
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I would assume that since the first message was from a Rootsweb list, the
data being discussed is for genealogical use, rather than for legal
purposes. Perhaps, rather than discussing certified vs. uncertified as a
primary source, the real issue, from a genealogical standpoint, should be
careful analysis of *all* the data on the document.
I prefer a photocopy of the original to a certified certificate. I have a
certified birth certificate, which I would consider a secondary source in
this case, issued in
I wonder if the following links might help with your question?
http://www.rootsweb.com/~newayne/wwho.htm
http://www.nwf.org/nationalwildlife/2000/prairiej.html
http://www.ku.edu/carrie/kancoll/articles/darnell2.htm
www.museums.iastate.edu/AOCFactSheetsPDF/ g.wood-sod.pdf (NOTE pdf)
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Cindy--
Thanks for your input. We do have a decent file of newspaper articles
related to the school (which was founded in 1946, so we don't have to go
back quite so far as you have!). We may look into historical information
about what was going on in general in the area at the time, too.
Christine
At 09:42 PM 08/19/2002 -0400, Cindy Amrhein wrote:
>Christine,
>I do a lot of house histories. I'm working on 2 right now. One is a
>tavern built in 1829 that was possibly on the underground railroad. Th
>
> >
> > The Associated Press now has a site with President Bush's family tree.
> > http://wire.ap.org/APnews/center_package.html?FRONTID=NATIONAL&
> > PACKAGEID=bush&STORYID=APIS78T37MG0
>
>Didn't work for me.. Is this right?
>
>Ellie S.
It didn't work for me either.
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Joan M. Lowry wrote:
> I am posting here an abbreviated Email exchange from
> yesterday on the NJ Hudson County List at Rootsweb. I
> would very much appreciate your comments and thoughts
> on the writer's position that an uncertified copy of a vital
> record cannot be used as a primary source of information.
> The documents labeled "for informational purposes only" are
> photocopies of microfilm copies of the actual birth, death,
> and marriage certificates on file at the NJ Dept
I always figured things the way Eileen argued, that a photocopy or a
microfilm was not derivative. I think I based this on something I read by
Norman Wright wriiten about 25 years ago ( have I been doing this that
long!?)
However, Elizabeth Shown Mills puts it in perspective in her Evidence book
on page 49 where she cites Federal Civil Judicial Procedure and Rules
#1002(4) which would place duplicates as derivative.
So I have been teaching, and thinking this like Elizabeth has explained, yet
longing for
I have had a similar situation with the LDS CDs for the surname McCarty. It
pays to check both "M" and "C" and they usually turn up under "C." Perhaps
Ancestry images are indexed that way also to some extent.
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Johnson County, Tennessee This and That
h
"Breaking Prairie" = "Sodbuster", an early midwestern farmer or possibly a
hired plowman. It differed from the plowing done in the farmlands of the
east in that the prairie was solid and hard. The equipment needed had to be
much stronger than that of the eastern farmer and his draft team had to be
strong enough to pull through the hard sod. I've read that a good team
could break 2 acres in a day -- Today we see farmers ploy down and turn 80
or more in a day. It must've been a truly hard life for those e
My thanks to everyone who has responded to this concern about certified vs.
uncertified copies (or primary vs. secondary) regarding vital records! It
has been a most interesting discussion so far.
Just to set the record straight - the person involved in the original email
correspondence (on another Rootsweb list) was not aware that the "for
informational purposes only" records being issued in NJ are photocopies of
the records (made from microfilm of the originals.) He thought they were
uncertified typed
Deborah Keener wrote regarding a $1250 marriage bond posted in ____ County,
Tennessee, in 1896:
> Do you have any ideas why such a large sum of money was connected to this
marriage?
Deborah, this question prompts two questions in return:
1. Has your patron read the other marriage bonds of the mid 1890s in that
county itself to see how this bond compares to the others?
2. Has your patron checked the Tennessee legal code that applied to marriage
bonds in 1896 to see how the rate of the bonds were to be de
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Kathy
This is exactly what is going on in NJ. The "informational" copies are
intended to help prevent fraud. And, most certainly, they are better than
having the records closed altogether.
The original Health Dept edict back in the fall 2001 was to disallow any
request from anyone unable to supply virtually all the information on the
certificate in question. They wanted the mother's full maiden name,
father's name, exact date and place of the event, and the full name of the
person on the record in ques
Ken wrote:
> I always figured things the way Eileen argued, that a photocopy or a
> microfilm was not derivative. . . .
> However, Elizabeth Shown Mills puts it in perspective in her Evidence book
> on page 49 where she cites Federal Civil Judicial Procedure and Rules
> #1002(4) which would place duplicates as derivative.
> So I have been teaching, and thinking this like Elizabeth has explained .
. .
Thank you, Ken, for the quote . Legal codes do generally classify a
duplicate as a derivative, but --a
I wonder if this might be an equivalent of a "sod buster" or a farmer and
homesteader.
Kay Allen AG
Hofsearch@aol.com wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> I just ran across an occupation in the 1880 census which states "Breaking
> Prairie" I haven't seen this before or heard of it. Could someone from the
> list please tell me what this means?
>
> Thanks for your time
>
> Cindy Hofmeister
> hofsearch@aol.com
>
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