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- 1. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins and family legends 
- Myra and All,
I kept the article regarding the man in Denton County, Texas. It was
in the June 11, 2006 edition of the Dallas Morning News. It was the
cover story in the Sunday Life section. It was called "Reclaiming His
Heritage" by Paul Knight. The man being interviewed and who mentioned
"Black Dutch" is named Onor "Bouncer" Goin. At the time of the
interview, he was on a dialysis machine 10 hours a day. He is probably
dead by now.
Here is an excerpt from the article: "Some people (Cherokee
- 2. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins 
- I've long been interested in the "Black Dutch" origins in American families and have done a lot of research in trying to determine any common threads among the families that make this claim.
In more recent times (thanks or curses to the Internet) the term has been taken by various "groups" and used to claim everything from mixed-bloods all sorts of exotic origins.
Like many family legends, it can be difficult to prove or disprove. However, for the most part, most of us who have researched more than one fam
- 3. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins 
- Hi Anja,
What a history! It would be wonderful if you could document the whole
ancestry. Of course, this could be very hard in performing the paper
trail but it's always worth trying since there could be wonderful
information lurking out there just waiting to be discovered.
From what I can "see" in your writings, you have a gut feeling or
intuition that this part of the family (Mom's father's) was probably
black. And you have a fair chance that it could be.
The only way you could get a positive on t
- 4. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] goins family 
- I too have that newspaper article about the Goins family. I'll have to dig it out, and re-read it. I grew up in that Texas area,near Denton. If I remember rightly, the grandmother died, and the family found old handwritten documents, and photos she had saved, and hid under the bed, or in the wall--don't remember which. There are probably some of the family still living in that little town who know all of this. My maternal grandmother was called 'black dutch'. She never mentioned it, but some of the f
- 5. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins 
- Thank you, Myra. That's one part of the mystery I can lay to rest. I have one of your articles about Black Dutch bookmarked. Are there more online?
Rainwater reseachers have told me that the family was in England prior to the 18th century emigration. Before that they were from what is today Germany. Perhaps that ties in with the "Low German" aspect of Black Dutch.
I am fascinated by the stories from different families regarding their own Black Dutch identities.
Thanks to everyone. Cindy McLaughlinDrip
- 6. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins and family legends 
- This is a true story about the family the Denton man speaks of, who had Cherokee heritage. I am from that part of Texas. I do have their names, and photos, which I saved from older local newspaper clippings. I can look through my genealogy boxes and find them. I can almost remember the family names--but they elude me at the moment. I'll look for my info, and post it soon. It is an interesting story. Apparently old documents,and photos were found after the Grandmother's death. Descendants still live in
- 7. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins and family legends 
- What a fascinating story about your heritage, Marie. Thanks so much for sharing it. I have one brief comment about why a family might want to pretend they were not Native American. When I was 14, I asked my grandfather Rainwater if our name was Indian (this was before we said Native American). He became agitated and replied that we were most certainly not Indian. "Indians don't have souls." Deeply ignorant, yes. But not an uncommon belief in Texas in the 1800's when my grandfather grew up. As they sing in "
- 8. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins and family legends 
- I look forward to learning more about this Texas family and others who claim
Black Dutch heritage.
--Myra Vanderpool Gormley
> This is a true story about the family the Denton man speaks of, who had
> Cherokee heritage. I am from that part of Texas. I do have their names,
> and photos, which I saved from older local newspaper clippings. I can
> look through my genealogy boxes and find them. I can almost remember the
> family names--but they elude me at the moment. I'll look for my info, and
- 9. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins and family legends 
- About ten years ago, the NARA (National Archive and Records Admin.)
records were much easier to access and when I was researching my
lineages here, I discovered that in 1896-97, the members of the Five
Civilized Tribes, i.e., Cherokee, Creek, Chickasaw, Chocktaw and
Seminole Nations and were offered "US Citizenship" if they gave up their
"Indian Sovereignty". This meant that they completely gave up their
identity of being N.A. and any holdings thereof and all record of this
were eliminated. I have h
- 10. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins 
- My family has a similar story. I posted it once before I don't believe I recieved any replies, so I assume it's safe to post some of it again. When I was younger I asked my mom about her maternal grandmother's heritage and she mentioned she used to hear it was "Dutch." Later on she said she was pretty sure she heard Black Dutch but her and her brother always assumed it meant Dutch. The reason my g-grandma's heritage was of particular interest to me was because I heard a story about her being asked to mo
- 11. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] goins family 
- I may be stating something everyone knows already, but I read that Goins (and its variations) is a Melungeon name. What is the connectionm if any, between Meluneons and Black Dutch?
Cindy McLaughlinDripping Springs TX > From: email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:38:55 +0000> Subject: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] goins family> > I too have that newspaper article about the Goins family. I'll have to dig it out, and re-read it. I grew up in that Texas area,near Denton
- 12. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins 
- Greetings Everyone,
Myra-thank you! This is something I also heard as a final anaylsis of
I would also like to add one more nugget to this thought:
I heard that the term also was coined in the late 1700's when the Native
American round-ups were in motion and the Quakers would take in fleeing
Native people, pass them off to the pursuing militia as "Black Dutch"
who spoke gutteral German, making them impossible to question and
therefore safe from capture. This was particulary mentioned in th
- 13. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins 
- I am fascinated by all the theories regarding "Black Dutch" and it's
true meaning. My grandfather on my father's side was said to be Black
Dutch. He had black hair and very dark complexion. His mother was
German. Our family always interpreted the term to mean he inherited
darker German looks due to the region of the country his mother's
people came from. She had many children and an old photo of all of
them shows clearly who inherited the dark hair and complexions.
Interestingly, she did not se
- 14. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Rainwater Family 
- Hello, I was on this list several years ago. I am checking back in to see the current thoughts on the label Black Dutch.
My story is pretty common. My family didn't speak much about the family history. My mother did tell me once that her maiden name, Rainwater, was originally a Dutch name. She also stated with great conviction, "We are Black Dutch." She went on to say our family was from the Netherlands, originally, and were of a darker complexion than usual. She likened it to the Black Irish (Irish interm
- 15. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins and family legends 
- What would be interesting would to be to learn the surnames of this family
the man in Denton, Texas claims were Cherokee and learn how it was that he
was able to trace them.
However, this story sounds so similar to the "three brothers came to
America" legend that has been told often -- and without any genealogical
evidence to back it up -- that I question it. If you look at the story more
closely, why would anyone believe it? Just because I claim to be German
doesn't make it so. What reasons did this
- 16. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins and family legends 
- Thank you for sharing your story, Marie.
Most interesting. Some of my early Dutch lines were in that area in the 17th
century and removed to New Netherland. If I recall correctly, slavery was
abolished in Suriname (formerly the Netherlands Guiana) in 1863, but it took
additional 10 more years to complete the process.
It would be interesting to read more about these intermixed families.
Here's some links to the National Archives online pertaining to the 5
Lists of people accepted bet
- 17. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins 
Thanks much for your insight. My maternal line is Burkett and our ancestors
also claimed to be "Black Dutch". We know for sure that they were in the
south Georgia, south Alabama and the pan handle of Florida by the early
1800's. We also understood the Burkett's were of German origins. When they
got to Texas they married into the Zeagler (German) family.
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From: "Myra Vanderpool Gormley"
- 18. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Rainwater Family 
- That reminds me of what my grandmother told me about my family being Black Dutch. Her explanation was we were intermarried via Spaniards and the people of the Netherlands.
I, too, would love to know more about this facinating and confusing heritage.
Cindy McLaughlin wrote:
Hello, I was on this list several years ago. I am checking back in to see the current thoughts on the label Black Dutch.
My story is pretty common. My family didn't speak much about the
- 19. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] origins 
- Dear Myra, My grandfather (Tenn to Oklahoma origens) claimed to be
"Black Dutch" and a little bit of everything else. He was such a tease
that I never thought about what he meant. I thought that during World
War I or the war to end all wars (would that it had been so) the people
of German descent claimed Black Dutch as they also renamed Sour Kraut to
Liberty Cabbage and other things of that ilk. Thank you for all your
research-genealogy and history fascinate me. Mary Jean Robertson.
- 20. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] BLACK DUTCH SURNAME SITES 
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- 21. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] RE: Bonnett 
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- 22. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Cherokee 
North American Indian people of Iroquoian lineage who inhabited eastern
Tennessee and the western Carolinas. Formerly they had lived around the Great
Lakes, migrating to the south after their defeat by the Delaware and
Iroquois. Their population in 1650 has been estimated at 22,500, spread over
40,000 square miles (100,000 square km) of the Appalachian Mountains.
Cherokee life and culture greatly resembled that of the Creek and other
Indians of the Southeast. The Cherokee nation was com
- 23. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Johnsons of Lincoln Co. NC 
- In a message dated 5/22/00 2:24:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<< Joel Johnson, I think from Georgia, married Margaret ??? Had children
Ambrose and Margaret M. b. ca. 1810 Lincoln Co. TN. Family says Margaret was
Cherokkee. I can't find anything about the family. Also, does anyone know
anything about Elizabeth Feathers who married Richard Parsons? One source
says she was English and another says she was a descendant of "Big Chief
Debbie, I have you on
- 24. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Niantic 
Algonquian-speaking woodland Indians of southern New England. The Eastern
Niantic lived on the western coast of what is now Rhode Island and on the
neighbouring coast of Connecticut. The Western Niantic lived on the seacoast
from Niantic Bay, just west of New London, to the Connecticut River. Once one
tribe, they were apparently split by the migration of the Pequot into their
The Western Niantic were nearly destroyed by the Pequot War (1637), and
remnants joined the Mohegans. The East
- 25. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Word look-up 
Pronunciation: "a-b&-'rij-n&l, -'ri-j&-n&l
1 : being the first or earliest known of its kind present in a region
2 a : of or relating to aborigines b often capitalized : of or relating to
the indigenous peoples of Australia
synonym see NATIVE
- ab7orig7i7nal7ly adverb
Encyc. Britta. 2000 MJ
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