Dear List,
This just arrived and I thought it would be helpful for those pursuing
Melungeon ancestries:
Melungeon Posting-[Indigenous Peoples Literature] Digest Number 1640
Indigenous Peoples Literature
http://www.indigenouspeople.net
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:40:06 -0000
From: "ghwelker"
Subject: The Melungeons
"The Melungeons: Genetic, Linguistic, and Historic Evidence of Their
Turkish Roots"
By Mehmet Cakir
http://www.colorado.edu/iec/FALL299RW/can.h
Hi Tina,
Unfortunately, to answer these questions, you will have to research the
family ancestry using the usual paper trail. I have spent ten years doing
this and even with the hall of Vital Records itself, it has been discovered
that many of these records can be wrong. But, since you have a veteran from
the Civil War, you should be able to research this easier.
Warning:
When one researches the Amerindian records, this can be the pit of despair.
Many Native people gave up their Indian sovereignty for US
Mike Knox knows his history
Cliff Buchan
News Editor
http://www.forestlaketimes.com/2005/January/19119Knoxfamily.html
When Mike Knox talks history to his fifth-grade students at Linwood
Elementary, they listen with interest. Here is a teacher who knows his
history. And thats not just a play on words.
For the past 35 years, Knox, 57, has poured his free time into a
genealogy project that has achieved amazing results. And Knox is far
from done with this labor of love to document his ancestors.
Since firs
Hello Everyone,
Well hello to everyone !! I have been away ill for the last
year and a half. It sure is good to be back on a computer. Do any of you have
any NEW ideas on the term Black Dutch or Black Irish ?
Bright Star
In a message dated 1/17/2005 5:00:27 AM Central Standard Time,
BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes:
Hello everyone,
. I really enjoyed all the post this evening. Do you all
think we could post our family surnames? Mine are:
McLaughlin
Adams
Lewis
Louderback
Bright Star
Mine are:
Rackley, Kelly, Holladay, Moon, etc
Husband are:
Dudley, Edwards, Broughton, Stewart, Taylor, Nail, etc
Betty Rackley Taylor
I don't know how other researchers feel about this, but posting surnames
without any specific dates or localities is not helpful IMHO.
I'm sure many of us have commons surnames and even unusual surnames don't
mean anything without knowing the time frame and or locality where one has
trace the family too.
There is a lot of speculation about certain names being one ethnic group or
not -- and that is malarkey.
In my research of many years I've found that the term "Black Dutch" is an
American one, and
Can someone tell me common last names for Black Dutch descendents in
North Carolina?
Side bar:
I have heard the name Black Irish, it was told to me that this term came
about due to dark hair,olive skin, eyes attributed to the Roman Empire.
I work with someone from Britain who considers herself one of those
descendents . They do not have the facial featurs of the common Anglo
Saxon characteristics found in the area.
Pam
In a message dated 1/17/2005 2:00:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
myravgormley@earthlink.net writes:
I don't know how other researchers feel about this, but posting surnames
without any specific dates or localities is not helpful IMHO.
I'm sure many of us have commons surnames and even unusual surnames don't
mean anything without knowing the time frame and or locality where one has
trace the family too.
Hello Myra,
Thank you, your 100% correct.
Hello everyone,
WOW, so much
In a message dated 1/16/2005 1:59:42 AM Central America Standard Tim,
sager@jscomm.net writes:
According to that website, there still is, and always has been, slavery
throughout the world. It was not a new idea in early America
Thanks for the information. I have always been amazed at the amount
of cruelty that humans are capable of , just for their own personal gain in
money and power. Although we have a different way of life in America it is
much the same. Government makes all the
In a message dated 1/16/2005 12:38:03 AM Central America Standard Ti,
sager@jscomm.net writes:
There were actually slave owners in Ireland? Or am I mixing this up and you
mean after they came to America?
Dee
After They came to America. I don't know anything about slaves in other
countries but the idea came form somewhere. Now I am curious as to where it came
from. hahaha Grandma
Dee,
Thanks for sharing that excerpt about the Irish with
dark hair and green eyes. My grandma's family is
supposedly Scots-Irish but then how do we explain that
all the men in our family from my grandma's generation
down have dark skin, black hair, and black eyes? My
own daughter has very dark brown eyes and dark skin.
My other daughter and I have fair skin. My grandma is
94 now, from Delaware County, OH, and claims her
grandma was melungeon. But this melungeon surname is
Girkey and sometimes written
Well hello to everyone !! I have been away ill for the last
year and a half. It sure is good to be back on a computer. Do any of you
have
any NEW ideas on the term Black Dutch or Black Irish ?
Bright Star
I frequently hear the term Black Dutch. Now Black Irish is one I haven't
heard but would fit my family pretty good. My branch of Vann family didn't go on
the Trail Of Tears. Instead it would appear that they were assimulated into
the white population and stayed where the were liveing.
Hello,
I would like to pose these questions.
How many Irish slave owners were there ?
How many Irish slave owners bore children with African Americans or Native
Americans?
How many poor Irish folk were sent to slave farms as Indentured slaves,
because they could not pay for there passage to America?
How many of them also married African Americans and Native Americans?
What would you call children from this union?
How many do you think would have adopted the term Black Irish as a means t
Hi Everyone,
PLEASE NOTE ALL RESPONSES TO QUESTION'S BY APPLICANT, ARE IN CAPS.
Below are the questions asked on the Miller Applications I have sent you
info
on in the Freedmen Project work. I hope to get at least one a week
submitted.
For those of you who cannot afford these NARA applications, I would advise
that after you confirm it is your line, that you send for the packet, for
source proof. Remember geneology is nothing without documentation.
Page 1)
Application # 22059
Action Taken--R
I have many surnames. Do you want a list of 'all' of them or just the one's I
have had to concentrate on?
And just so everyone knows, I still am not clear on what Black Dutch means or
why or 'how' it is used...
Lauren Rowe Syracuse NY Onondaga county
-----Original Message-----
From: BrightStar9137@aol.com [mailto:BrightStar9137@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 11:54p Re: What do you think??
Hello everyone,
Do you all think we could post our family surnames?
Mine are:
McLaughlin
Adams
Lewis
L
In a message dated 1/16/2005 10:54:55 PM Central America Standard Ti,
BrightStar9137@aol.com writes:
Hello everyone,
. I really enjoyed all the post this evening. Do you all
think we could post our family surnames? Mine are:
McLaughlin
Adams
Lewis
Louderback
Bright Star
My surnames are Vann, May,Franks, Smith,Curry,Hankins
Grandma
There were actually slave owners in Ireland? Or am I mixing this up and you
mean after they came to America?
Dee
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:18:15 AM Central America Standard Ti,
BrightStar9137@aol.com writes:
I would like to pose these questions.
A great many of them were. I
know
about 20 of my ancestors were slave owners and they were german irish.
>How many Irish slave owners bore children with African Americans or Native
Americans?> Almost all o
Hello Everyone,
I just wanted you all to know that I have been ill for the last
year and a half, and I am now back on line. I missed you all very much and I
hope this March or maybe earlier, to have some more info on the Cherokee
Freedmen slave applications. There were still some that were never sent to the list
before my illness. I believe about 14 more still need to be posted.
Right now I am having to work from what I posted in the list archives, and
copies of the slave applications
In a message dated 1/25/2005 11:57:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rolaren@dreamscape.com writes:
Brightstar I am happy you are feeling better.
But as I am fairly new to the list, I have no idea what your msg is 'all
abt'.
I am curious because recently I was told a female ancestor of mine was a
Native
American,
poss Cherokee; she m a VanDeuson from Canada. Will you explain to the
newbies on
the list
why the information you wrote may be a benefit to us?
Hi Lauren,
If you read thr
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:29:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLewis2035
writes:
Most respectufally I would
call them my brothers and sisters or Native Americans
I do know but think a
lot of them did. Mine seemed to assimulate with the whites.
In a message dated 1/11/2005 5:34:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
barnettr@adelphia.net writes:
The Chief of the Eastern
Cherokee was attributed to say that during the historic period of the Trail
of Tears that many Cherokee passed as "Black Dutch" to avoid the relocation.
This would apply to Cherokee living in NC, Tenn and Ky. In my own family the
Glovers (Tenn, Ky) were attributed by one branch as being Cherokee, and by
another branch as being Black Dutch. Both of these branches trace back to my
g
I did an internet search, keying in the words "slaves in Europe" and got -
among others - the following website:
http://www.internet-encyclopedia.org/wiki.php?title=Slave . Shown below is
the table of contents for this page.
According to that website, there still is, and always has been, slavery
throughout the world. It was not a new idea in early America. If I
remember my history, the plantation owners needed help to farm their
plantations and couldn't get enough and the right type of help from the
se