MY ANCESTOR GRAND MOTHER
I search for you yet do not even know your name
I press on praying my efforts will prove fruitful
the records do not list you or the other women who
have lived and loved and laughed, gave birth, and died,
the records perpetrate the myth that you were never here
but I stand whole and bare my soul
and vow to find you as I live
I search for you in old records, in churches, at the Embassy,
in small dimly lit rooms
in the back of obscure libraries and archives
and pour ov
Trying to find the connection to my ggrandfather's NY Carpenters.
Charles Carpenter (11/15-18/1830-11/20/1888) born & died in NY, and is
buried in the East Randolph Cemetary old section. He married Harriet
"Hattie" Palmer (1840-?). They lived in Napoli, Cattaraugus Co. in
1880. The 1880 census indicates that both Charles' parents were born in NY
also. I have looked at Frederick Carpenter's children, but his son
Charles died in 1860. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have John
Carpenter'
Anybody familar with this Carpenter family
William CARPENTER married Betsy BANNISTER in Gainesville, Wyoming County NY
in 1811. They settled in Groveland, Livingston County NY soon after that. Their
children were sons: Billezar, and Joseph. Daughters: Charity, Eliza, Mary,
Hortense, and Elizabeth. Betsy (Bannister) CARPENTER was born May 20, 1791, and
died 13 March, 1826 at Groveland, NY. In 1844 William Carpenter and all of his
children and their families moved to Wheatland, Kenosha County Wisconsin.
Jan:
It is all about how the two Williams were related. Some had felt the two
Williams were not related at all, or for that matter, Carpenters in the
South of England were of distict families who shared a common occupational
surname. The DNA study as it expands into England will shed light on all of
this.
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Robison"
To: "Bruce E Carpenter"
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] DNA question 3
Cousins,
Tried to send this yesterday but it didn't post.
For those of you who are also searching for the elusive Ensley/ Ansley, Ancil, E.A., etc Carpenter (b. abt 1820 TN):
I recently noticed that the microfilm of the 1880 KY mortality schedules listed the name of the deceased person's doctor. Dr. Ancil Carpenter was listed in several cases in Whitley county.
There was no listing of his son Jeremiah "Jerry" as a doctor at that time in Whitley county. Both E.A. & Jerry & their families are listed in E
JOHN CARPENTER.
Williamstown, Orange County, VT
Served in Capt. Walker's Company, Col. Fifield's Regt. Detached Militia
in U.S. service 6 months and 3 days, 1812. Served from June 11 1813 to
June 14, 1813 in Capt. Hezekiah Barn's Company, 1st Regt. 2nd Brig. 3rd
Div., Volunteered
to go to Plattsburg, NY, September 1814, and served in capt. David
Robinson's Company; went as far as Burlington, Vt."
Source is "State of Vermont ROSTER of SOLDIERS in the WAR of 1812-14",
prepared and published uder the direct
I was looking at other DNA returns like the following
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/3/8/192734/1631 and wondered about the
Carpenter report of Scandinavian-Northern German ancestry. Could the
Carpenter data point to Frankish ancestry?
BC
Nara, Japan
Sorry I have no match either Carpenter , Alexander,or O'Grady names do you
use the Carpenter roots List there is a Tony Carpenter who lives in UK does some
english Carpenter research ?
CARPENTER-D@rootsweb.com have to join list to post no charge My web page will
tell you how to join & E mail list I don't have much for english Carpenter
info hard to prove hear in US
> http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks
>
Bruce wrote:
> Carpenter report of Scandinavian-Northern German ancestry. Could the
> Carpenter data point to Frankish ancestry?
If the data can be said to point to anything specific, it would be
Viking ancestry. On the other hand, the data would certainly not rule
out Frankish ancestry.
John Chandler
On 5/11/04 2:00 PM, "Bruce E Carpenter" wrote:
> I was looking at other DNA returns like the following
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/3/8/192734/1631 and
> wondered about the Carpenter report of Scandinavian-
> Northern German ancestry. Could the Carpenter data
> point to Frankish ancestry?
> BC
> Nara, Japan
Reading through that site reveals what looks like to me a lot of out and out
jibberish. No genealogical DNA project needs this kind of endorsement in my
opinion.
Rick
In 1860 Census of Woodford, Bennington ,VT there is a Draper Carpenter 60 y/o
male, with Olin Carpenter 58 y/o female ,Elijah Carpenter 30 y/o male, Draper
Carpenter 16 y/o male, Jennette Carenter 2 other children 11 & 5 ? surname
Lydia Draoper to young to be John Draper Carpenter formerly of Guilford VT
John in NH
Anyone have any info on John Carpenter b.1805+/- and his wife Mary
b.1803+/-. They lived in Franklinton in Schoharie County, NY. Moved
there in 1830s but don't show up after 1865 even though their sons are
still there. I assume they both died but haven't found their graves yet.
Thanks for any help.
Jim
Hi group,
I found some connections on a website and want to make sure I have it right
if anyone can confirm or not:
Edith Bunce 1762-1808, sister of Mathew Bunce. Both were children of Lemuel
Bunce and Eva Sheafe.
George Washington Bunce's brother, William Coultard Bunce 1816-1894.
William Coultard Bunce had son, William T. Bunce.
William T. Bunce had twin girls and son Elsworth. Elsworth was named for
William Coultard Bunces' wife, Mary Rachel Carpenter's mother Mary Elsworth.
Any information app
Hi: Please let anyone you think might be interested know that the CD
> "Scans of Selected Carpenter and Related Family Historical Papers and
> Journals as Published by James Ausie Carpenter" is now available.
> Details are available at
> http://www.gbronline.com/adcarpenter/crfhcd/default.htm
The Price is $25.00 (U.S.) including shipping, anywhere in the lower
forty-eight by USPS, and handling. Please pay by check or money order.
Please allow ten days for delivery. Also, please in
I am still trying to research my Carpenter roots in Orange County New York.
At present, we are making some progress. I am still trying to identify my
ggggrandfather's parents. So I thought that I would try a different route, the
wife.
Elizabeth Canfield: I believe that she had three marriages. The first two
marriages are documented in the Reformed Dutch Church of Mahackamack records.
Minisink Marriages 1817-1843 performed by Rev Cornelius Elting (Dutch
Reformed Church).
1. Dec 6, 1827 - Deerp
"Before we can make anything out of it, we need to go
one step further and assume something that isn't yet proven: it seems
likely, or at least plausible, that Group 2 is descended from William
of Providence and Group 3 from William of Rehoboth."
This I take to mean that the individuals who kindly provided their DNA
samples claimed to be descendants of one of the two Williams, but did not
provide real proof of it.
Is this correct?
Bruce Carpenter
Nara, Japan
I have information on Mary Rachel Carpenter's husband, William Coultard
Bunce's line. She was born ca 1820 and moved from NY to Milwaukee.
Phyllis Reed
Bruce wrote:
> The DNA study as it expands into England will shed light on all of
> this.
Beware of complacency. The DNA study will need a lot of help to expand
into England. As far as I know, only one Carpenter outside the USA has
joined so far. If you are personally acquainted with male Carpenters
in England, please let them know about the study. One of the problems
faced by nearly all genealogical DNA studies is the fact that people
in England tend to feel that they "know" their roots already, or el
I have an additional question, re. the last line of digits for group 2 and
group 3. They are consistantly 16s for group 2 and 17s for group 3 while all
other lines of digits are more or less the same. What does this at least
suggest? Thanks to John Chandler for his patience.
Bruce Carpenter
Nara, Japan
Bruce wrote:
> I have an additional question, re. the last line of digits for group 2 and
> group 3. They are consistantly 16s for group 2 and 17s for group 3 while all
> other lines of digits are more or less the same. What does this at least
> suggest? Thanks to John Chandler for his patience.
I guess you mean the last *column*, rather than the last *line*. If
you read the discussion of Groups 2 and 3, you'll see that the whole
distinction between these two groups is that last column. However, it
is al
Bruce wrote:
> This I take to mean that the individuals who kindly provided their DNA
> samples claimed to be descendants of one of the two Williams, but did not
> provide real proof of it.
It's a little more complicated than that. For one thing, there is
also Group 1, which claims descent from William of Rehoboth, but
doesn't match either 2 or 3. Everybody has "proof" at some level,
but they can't all be right. The members of Group 1 seem to be
willing to reconsider their evidence in light of the DNA m
In a message dated 5/9/04 18:00:24 Eastern Daylight Time,
CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes:
In 1860 Census of Woodford, Bennington ,VT there is a JOHN Carpenter 60 y/o
male, with Olin Carpenter 58 y/o female ,Elijah Carpenter 30 y/o male, Draper
Carpenter 16 y/o male, Jennette Carenter 2 other children 11 & 5 ? surname
Lydia Draoper to young to be John Draper Carpenter formerly of Guilford VT
John in NH