Hi Linda & Deb,
You are only partially correct about PDF files not being searchable. If
they were created by simply scanning the pages as images of those pages,
then the resulting PDF file will not be searchable. However, if the
pages were created/scanned using an Optical Character Reader (OCR)
program, or were created on a word processor, and then "printed" to PDF
format, they are searchable. If in doubt, try using the binocular icon
in Adobe Reader, or Acrobat if you have the program, to search
Re: publishing yearbook data on the web such as class lists, photos,
club lists, etc.
Hi Ann (and I'm sorry, I don't recall, but the other person who also
replied wondering just the opposite as Ann re: privacy issues)
Again, I'm new to this list, so not sure what's on and off topic for a
copyright list. Probably access to and use of data and images is on
tpic though.
I'm really not sure often what is "legal" vs what is "ethical". I'm
also quite aware that often these things are usual an intricate
bala
Thanks, Pat - this is exactly what I was looking for. I saw this
chart a long time ago. This says it's been updated as of Jan 2008, so
nice to have at hand. They've got a PDF version there to download as
well. :)
Ok - so thinking about yearbooks - and a desire to publish them on on
the web - to help people find family - here's what I'm thinking so
far:
1) Check the yearbook. Is there a copyright mark?
-- If not and it was published any time up through and including 1977,
I'm good to go (in public do
Deb,
Names can't be copyrighted, so you can copy the names out of any
yearbook for any year.
Look on the first three or four pages of the yearbook for a copyright
notice. If it was published in the U.S. before 1978 and had no copyright
notice, the yearbook was not copyighted. In my opinion, very few of them
would have been copyighted. It cost money and took time to register the
copyright of a yearbook. It would have been a waste of both. Nobody is
going to be buying copies of that yearbook in the fu
Hi John,
I meant that the search engines (Google, etc.) can not search the PDF file. Of course WITHIN a PDF file it can be searchable.
I understood that Deb was planning on putting this material on a website. Putting them into PDF files does not make them searchable as far as Google and other search engines go. The only way it can be searchable is if it is put into text on a web page.
Linda
in Costa Rica
Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/
While your personal preference might be that your yearbook information not
be placed on line, there is no "right of privacy" that would allow you to
have any say in the matter (assuming, as is almost certainly the case, the
yearbook is now in the public domain).
Your name, address, age, phone number and all sorts of other information is
already on line in many different places. If you don't think so, just type
your phone number into Google some day.
Dead or alive, there is no law which prevents publ
What about the few sites that charge you for a person's picture from a
yearbook. Reunion.com
I guess its better if they charge for it, they can filter these identity
thieves? Thanks for all your input Kathy
-----Original Message-----
From: copyright-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:copyright-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of D S
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:21 PM
To: copyright@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [COPYRIGHT] Yearbooks and Directories - back to Deb!
Re: publishing yearbook data on the web such as cla
Hello ,My name is Kathy , I was wondering why yearbooks and directories
,especially the older ones would invade people's privacy? The pictures were
taken at a public school , which everyone knew they could be viewed by
anyone, also most of your older yearbooks ,the publishing company would be
out of business by now , some of the schools do not even exist anymore. If
the pages are done in PDF,correct me if I am in wrong , they can not be
altered ,which is a good thing also. Thanks
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Seems like we've covered a bit of ground here! :)
To recap a bit - seems like city directories are the easy ones - (no
photos) - just follow the copyright chart if I want to photograph or
scan - and if I don't - can create a name index in any case to extract
the data.
For yearbooks - I have it in two pieces in my mind - the text/info
data part - and the photos - and that only because of "potential"
copyright ownership differences. I tend to agree with the statements
about the unlikelyhood of renewals.
At 01:03 AM 3/17/2008, D S wrote:
>Hope I hear a bit more on these topics - especially re: use of photos
>in yearbooks.
Many yearbooks were not copyrighted (published without notice prior to 1978).
However, the photographs of individuals were quite likely taken by a
professional who more than likely did claim copyright.
If the yearbook and thus the photographs were published before 1923,
then they are public domain.
If they were taken/published 1923 to 1963 and the copyright was not
renewed, they are
I don't think I would worry as much about a school year book as I would a
site like zabasearch.com. You can type in a person's name and state they
live in and 99% of the time come up with some info on that person. Then if
you are willing to spend some money you can find out all kinds of
information on that person.
There are many sites online you can use if you really want to find someone.
It is just way too easy now adays to find out info about others.I don't
really believe that identity theives are d
As former residents of the DC area, both my husband and I have had our
"identity" compromised in the past two years due to no fault on our part. I
had an undesirable person contact me via e-mail from information obtained
from a Reunion Committee database/year book of my high school using an alias
and an e-mail address different from that I knew this person had per
verification from a former law enforcement individual who obtained correct
data on this person at my request. Yes, I did check first before dec
In a message dated 3/17/2008 7:49:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
annsid@citcom.net writes:
>
> As former residents of the DC area, both my husband and I have had our
> "identity" compromised in the past two years due to no fault on our part. I
> had an undesirable person contact me via e-mail from information obtained
> from a Reunion Committee database/year book of my high school using an alias
> and an e-mail address different from that I knew this person had per
> verification from a former law enforce
Hi Linda & John,
Thank you both for your replies.
Interesting that the city directories (older ones in the public
domain) apparently include both text and images. Wasn't sure about
that.
As a side note, enjoyed touring your websites, Linda - and those you
linked to as well. Did some surname hunting in the city of Rochester,
NY - but I digress. :)
John? Because of your reply, I wound up looking about online this
afternoon for optical character recognition software! If I'm going to
either scan or take
In a message dated 3/17/08 3:13:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pklewis6@comcast.net writes:
>
> What about the few sites that charge you for a person's picture from a
> yearbook. Reunion.com
> I guess its better if they charge for it, they can filter these identity
> thieves? Thanks for all your input Kathy
>
Why does paying for it filter anything?
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Deb,
I, for one, would not like my data published on any web site even though I
graduated over 55 years ago. I receive enough stuff from unwanted
individuals via Class Reunion Committees to choke a horse! The company that
publishes these books cares less about former students.
Unless all individuals you list are dead, dead and more dead, you are
releasing very private information that puts an individual in jeopardy for
identity theft. My husband's parents are very much alive in their middle
90s!
Hi Deb,
I can't answer anything on the yearbooks.
As for the directories - maybe this information will help: The Rochester, Monroe County, New York Library has directories from 1827-1930 online. The directories are scanned into PDF files and all pages are included. I would think that they would have checked out copyright issues before publishing them online. Also, having them in PDF is very convenient because the user can save the PDF file. The downside is that a PDF file is not searchable like a w
With all due respect, Ann, what you describe is a plain old scam. It had
nothing to do with your identity being compromised.
Richard Pence
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Propst"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [COPYRIGHT] Yearbooks and Directories - back to Richard P.
ofFairfax, VA!
> As former residents of the DC area, both my husband and I have had our
> "identity" compromised in the past two years due to no fault on our pa
In a message dated 3/17/08 1:25:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
annsid@citcom.net writes:
>
>
> I, for one, would not like my data published on any web site even though I
> graduated over 55 years ago. I receive enough stuff from unwanted
> individuals via Class Reunion Committees to choke a horse! The company that
> publishes these books cares less about former students.
>
>
>
>
I am confused. Unless your yearbook was considerably different than mine--49
years ago--there are no vital statistics li
Hi to all - first post here.
I have some high school yearbooks and some city directories. I'd like
to "publish" them on the web. Let me be more specific as I have
several questions.
For yearbooks:
1) I know data is data, so to create an index of names shouldn't be a
problem = say "the graduating clas of 19xx" in xyz high school in the
town of xxxx.
Seems that's an extraction of data - creating an index - so should be
ok from a copyright point of view.
Would also keep in mind "up to what year" given