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1. [R-M222] Significance levels [1]
Some calculations of statistical significance levels : CDYa = 37 Ewings 15/22 .6818 Cowans 18/25 .7200 Other M222+ 124/380 .3263 Total 157/427 .3677 Is .6818 significantly different to .3263? Using a binomial distribution with a mean frequency of .3263, the probability of 15/22 or higher is .000682. So it's significant at the 0.07% level. Is 18/25 significantly different to .3263? Yes, at the .006% level. What this suggests is that the probability of Ewings and Cowans exhibiting 15/22 and 18/25
2. Re: [R-M222] M222 Project Totals [1]
In a message dated 4/19/2009 5:11:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dan_jenkins66@hotmail.com writes: John, Thanks for all your hard work . Would it be too much to ask , for you to list the surnames that appeared at each GD level say to 6 at most, as rest would ne somewhat too far back in time . Dan, you can sort or rearrange the results in almost anyway you want to from the spreadsheet I posted. The GDs listed should agree with FTDNA and Ysearch but will be different from those returned b
3. [R-M222] M222 Project Totals [1]
I worked through most of the M222 project checking origins for the surnames with 37 marker or better tests. Australia (1) This is an Irish surname (Reilly) China (1) This surname is probably McKenzie England (18) France (1) Germany (3) Ireland (214) N. Ireland (15) Norway (1) Scotland (.71) Spain (1) U.S. (1) probably Scottish - Alexander UK (14) Unknown (90) Wales (1) I made no attempt to adjust these totals based on surnames. N. Ireland mostly seems to be code for "I think I'm Scottish." Some
4. Re: [R-M222] Walk on the Y Project [1]
I would be interested. I would be happy to put in $25 if I could narrow down my Dunbar branch in Scotland and Ireland. Thanks; Billy Dunbar In a message dated 4/21/2009 10:39:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Lochlan@aol.com writes: I think I mentioned this before but we have two M222 project members interested in the Walk on the Y project. The surnames are Megonnigil and Mannion. Both are from Ireland. The Megonnigils are probably from Donegal; the Mannion sample is from Galway. Bo
5. [R-M222] TMRCA Estimate--Byrne NW Cluster [1]
An interesting exercise. I ran 27 M222 37-marker haplotypes from my Byrne/Burns/Beirne project, and it appears that we are much younger that the overall M222 group's average. Abbreviated, my results were: KN's method and J Chandler's mutation rates 25.4 gens 762 years Minus CDY and 464 31.6 949 Minus 464 only 26.1 784 Minus CDY 29.4 881 Minus 385, 459, 464, YCA II, CDY
6. Re: [R-M222] Quiet on the List? [1]
Hi John > No one has yet discovered any way to sub-divide M222 based on STR analysis. All we see are a lot of family modals. > I've made some progress on this but there's still a long way to go. Consider for example Maclaughlin. What you can do is to calculate, for all M222+ participants, their mean gd from M222+ as a whole. You can then, again for all M222+ participants, do the same thing again, but this time relative to McLaughlins rather than M222+ as a whole. The idea is to be able to see which M
7. Re: [R-M222] Byrne TMRCA Estimates [1]
Hi David The method set out in my posting at 15:43 on 16 Apr 2009 was never intended to be the answer to all questions. It is merely a starting point to indentify family groupings that seem to be close to each other. For example, the 'closeness to Ewings' table : Cowan 6.272 McGonagill 6.187 McLaughlin 4.299 Dunbar 3.156 Daugherty 2.970 McCord 2.419 Burns 1.914 suggests that Cowan may be close. A closer look identified DYS449 and CDYa as the two main causes of this, with the other markers al
8. Re: [R-M222] TMRCA Estimaes (ASD) [1]
In a message dated 4/15/2009 6:57:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, grierson@melbpc.org.au writes: and the very solid 458 at 18 for all bar one of the M222s seem the most significant. Interesting analysis. I've wondered about DYS 458 = 18 myself. That occurs very strongly in the Doherty and McLaughlin samples. In fact it's modal in both although not every sample has it. I do see it popping up here and there in other M222 surname groupings, in Griersons, Dunbars, and other surnames. I don'
9. [R-M222] Is mtHV the mate of R1b1c7? [1]
Is mtHV the mate of R1b1c7? I saw a remark recently that implied that that is what is assumed. Anyone else have something to say on the matter, other than berating me for introducing extraneous considerations and disturbing the blessed quietude this list has imposed on itself?
10. [R-M222] Walk on the Y tests [1]
We now have two M222 people who will be ordering the Walk on the Y test search for new SNPS. The first is one of the Megonnigil or variant surnames in the M222 project. The second is a Mannion ( Kit137003 - M222 Project. I know the Mannion sample is from Ireland (Connacht). The location is not far from Roscommon but possibly in Galway. I don't think the Megonnigils know exactly where they're from but McGonigal and variants are common to Donegal. For what it's worth, Mannion in Ireland (O'M
11. Re: [R-M222] Byrne TMRCA Estimates [1]
Boy, am I torn. I have been reading this thread with interest and aching to put in my two cents, but I have not spent enough time crunching general R:M222 data to be confident of making a worthwhile contribution. That said, I think we are barking up the wrong tree by comparing histograms of raw genetic distance for various putative places of origin. Consider that we could have two very tight clusters within R:M222 such that the haplotypes within each cluster were all identical, but each of the clusters dif
12. Re: [R-M222] Byrne TMRCA Estimates [1]
I, too, am not certain that the ancestral value among Ewings was not DYS391 = 10, and for me this would justify considering two alternative Ewing modals, one with DYS391 = 10 and the other with DYS391 = 11. Still, I think that comparing percentages of off-modal matches between individual haplotypes is an exercise in futility, because as John says, it will make too much of parallel mutations. Have a look at this comparison table of modals for the various Ewing Groups, including those NOT in M222+: http://dl
13. Re: [R-M222] Genetic Distance/Diversity [1]
14. [R-M222] DYS425=11 or Null [1]
John, As you know, I am null at 425, which is a rarity for R1b. Two other members of the Byrne project have 425=11. All the rest are 12. According to an article that Phillip Goff and Whit Athey published in the JOGG several years ago, 98.1% of R1b have a 12 value for that marker, 1.3% have 13, 0.2% have 11, and 0.4% are null. Checking your M222 project, I see that I am the only null 425, and one of my 11s (39360) is your project's only 11. I have sent you a request for the other 11 (117643) to join
15. Re: [R-M222] Walk on the Y Project [1]
In a message dated 4/26/2009 7:57:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, equisand@equiformratings.com writes: If you want two M222+ participants, McCord (kit no 44803) is the greatest gd from Conroy at 25 and has been SNP tested. We already have two self-funded participants. That means it is their DNA to be checked. They surely won't pay $750 to check someone else's DNA. That is the reason I've been following this Walk on the Y initiative. I learned through Pat Tagart that an M222 had sprung for t
16. [R-M222] Walk on the Y Project [1]
I think I mentioned this before but we have two M222 project members interested in the Walk on the Y project. The surnames are Megonnigil and Mannion. Both are from Ireland. The Megonnigils are probably from Donegal; the Mannion sample is from Galway. Both have been SNP tested. One of the ambitions of this project is to uncover new SNPS. It is possible some kind of sub-clade dividing SNP could be found through the test. Of course it could also just find some new SNPs further subdividing
17. Re: [R-M222] Byrne TMRCA Estimates [1]
Hi John > I think you are seeing a connection between Cowans and Ewings because you assume both surnames were derived from a common ancestor named Eoghan. If you read through the material on the Clan Ewing web site though I think you'll see this a doubtful proposition. In the Surname Profiler the name Cowan is common all over Scotland except in the north. Heaviest in Galloway and Dumfriesshire. Perhaps Ayrshire as well. I'm not to good at picking out Scottish counties from their map. >
18. Re: [R-M222] Genetic Distance/Diversity [1]
Hi John > I don't think that's correct because there are plenty of GDs in the chart higher than 10 when compared not to the modal but against each other. Just to pick one example a Bookout and a Doherty are a GD of 15. > I think we're talking at cross purposes. Bookout and Doherty are separated from each other by a gd of 15, yes. But Bookout is separated from the modal by a gd of 7 and Doherty is separated from the modal by a gd of 10. What I've calculated for each M222+ participant is simply the sum o
19. Re: [R-M222] Is mtHV the mate of R1b1c7? [1]
I haven't heard that Yair. As for quietude, sometimes you just have to sit around and wait on results. I've a few I'm waiting on including one from Brittany I've been trying to connect with for a number of years. It could prove my surname origin and of course pinpoint another M222 to another time and place, Brittany, some 500 years ago. This is a project that will probably run my lifetime as it will others so there will be periods of quiet. Regards, Steve > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:30:33 -0400 > F
20. Re: [R-M222] Byrne TMRCA Estimates [1]
21. [R-M222] Ashley's Their ancestors were powerful clan chieftains, [1]
My paper trail go back to but not beginning with Anthony Ashley / Anthony Ashley Cooper.John Ashley Married his cousin lady Jane Cooper and moved to Virginia .From England. _http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lksstarr/reports/perduecommen.txt_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lksstarr/reports/perduecommen.txt) Quote " Doesn't the sheer number of royal lines in one family seem somewhat hard to believe? These families count amongst their ancestors powerful clan chieftains, extraordi
22. Re: [R-M222] Byrne TMRCA Estimates [1]
In a message dated 4/20/2009 2:42:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, equisand@equiformratings.com writes: I don't think we should just ignore the faster moving markers. For example, Ewing 65018 has no fewer than 5 off-modal matches with Henry 105286 : Perhaps not. Everything's relative. 385ab is supposed to be a fast moving marker but 92% of M222 has the tell tale 13 at 385b. The next highest value is 12 at 5.4%. Like David, I too compared the M222 family modals identified so far. The closes
23. Re: [R-M222] Byrne TMRCA Estimates [1]
Hi John > I think it's going to be a while before we figure out anything definite about the Scottish Maclachlans. > Probably. I get the strong feeling that the Argyllshire McLachlans were quite small in number compared to the Irish McLaughlins. If so, I guess we shouldn't be too surprised that there are as yet very few (if any) samples from Argyll. Sandy
24. [R-M222] Walk on the Y [1]
I had a reply from Thomas Krahn. Dear John, M222 is a very young haplogroup. Sorting out STRs is probably useless because of high convergence. Geographic origin is difficult to interpret (if not Ireland) as you said, but if there is nothing else then I would go for that. Try to find the most trust-worthy non-Irish M222 and give it a shot. However more than 2-3 participants are not necessary for now. If a new question arises on the horizon you can still run a WTY to solve that later. First let
25. Re: [R-M222] Walk on the Y Project [1]
Do you realize how small (or large, depending on perspective) your chances are of finding a new snp within M222? It's a rather young clade. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [R-M222] Walk on the Y Project > Here's part of a post by Pat Tagart on a different list. He is > suggesting > that people go ahead and contribute funds to the general fund. The only > problem I see with that is I've been told
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