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1. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland [1]
In a message dated 03/08/2007 02:37:26 GMT Standard Time, Lochlan@aol.com writes: Have you gentlemen compared your DNA to the Doherty, McLaughlin, O'Gallagher, O'Donnell, O'Boyle samples in my spreadsheets? I personally see no defining marker combinations that would show a distinction between Cenel Conaill and Cenel Eoghain DNA. What I see are some distinctive marker combinations that define Doherty, McLaughlin, and O'Gallagher as individual families. Part of the problem in comp
2. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Some Info please [1]
Faith, The "7" is simply a sequence identifier. M222 was the seventh identified single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) that defined a subclade of R1b1c, so it got the number. There was also a rare R1b1c8 recognized about the same time. Since then, there are three more known subclades that have the labels R1b1c9, R1b1c10 and R1b1c11. Undoubtedly more will come. You can see a summary table of R1b1c SNPs at http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/r1bsnp.htm David Wilson On 8/22/2007 8:30:49 AM, Ehouse (ehouse@the
3. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Network.exe [1]
Ken Nordtvedt said, "If you fish long enough for the "right" set of markers you will get the results you want. It is important to try to use a "hands off" set of markers." Well, yes. But surely you don't want to simply ignore that some markers are much more volatile than others. And I think you would probably acknowledge that comparing the results you get with several different alternative sets of markers will illustrate the point you make. I think the trouble you warn about would come from cherry picking
4. [DNA-R1B1C7] Celtic kings of Ulster [1]
Belfast Castle is an ideal centre for functions, receptions, conferences, ... is where the Celtic kings of Ulster were inaugurated as the O' Neils, ... www.countyantrim.com/antrim_heritage_bushmills.h... - 57k - _Similar pages_ (http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=topsearchbox.webhome&query=r elated:www.countyantrim.com/antrim_heritage_bushmills.htm&clickedItemPageDescr iption=similarPages) http://www.countyantrim.com/antrim_heritage_bushmills.htm _Cavehill - Wikipedia, the free en
5. [DNA-R1B1C7] One of the earliest O’Neil ancesto rs lived at the time of Moses [1]
_www.kelpatrick.com |_ (http://www.kelpatrick.com |) My thinking regarding the Legend's. Where their is smoke you will find fire. People will stomp on it others will throw water on it, but .the smoke still remain's. Gene One of the earliest Ob
6. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Network.exe [1]
David - here are a couple of other samples you might throw in the mix if you're still working on genetic distance. Duncan BK7DE Duncan HJSHQ Duncan DMD4J Ashley HDGND Ashley PJ72T These came from John McEwen's R1b clustering chart. There are actually a few more samples of each available on Ysearch but they are just more exact matches (probably cousins) so I eliminated a few of them. The Duncan surname is thought to be Scottish; Ashley is from England. I set up a few histograms
7. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland [1]
John, I agree with your last paragraph, that much more research needs to be done on R1b1c7 or M222+, not just in the well known locations of Ireland and Scotland, but also the lesser well known ones like France and Germany, and the potential ones like Spain, Belgium or Scandinavia - only then can we fully analyze the STR's and see what haplotypes are shared in common and where. I also urge everyone to take the SNP test and determine accurately if you are M222 or not - of course if you have the same STR va
8. [DNA-R1B1C7] TMRCA in Network.exe [1]
Does anyone on this list know how to use the time calculations in Network.exe? Working from either a saved .fdi or .dia file, the program asks "Mutation rate: 1 mutation every ....... years." I have no idea what figure to use here to get meaningful results. The Trinity College team used this program to calculate the TMRCA for Ui Neill surnames in their study and arrived at the date of 1730 years. "The time to the most-recent common ancestor (TMRCA) of this lineage was estimated with the r s
9. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] A good healthy Debate..Y-DNA haplogroup R is not a Legend [1]
Hi; Thank you. My point about The Trinity study and Ui Neill is: There is a line yet to be drawn somewhere between the history/myth of Fomorians and The Ui Neill concept. No one now knows where that is. As a result we should maintain healthy curiosity alongside skepticism to avoid "throwing the baby out with the bathwater." Dick -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GAshley923@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:11
10. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] The serious student. [1]
Thank you, Jeff. Sometimes in the enthusiasm of searching for "proof", we overlook some knowledge that has been passed down. But I guess that's what DNA will clear up. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Scism To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] The serious student. In the name of courtesy, I think the list members can evaluate what is 'hooey' and what isn't. There is no need to get a personal jabbing match going
11. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland [1]
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Conroy" > > The problem with this argument is that it completely fails to account for > the fact that M222 or R1b1c7 has a time to most recent common ancestor > TMRCA > of 1,730 years ago (SD 670 The above is not a fact; in fact I don't even think it is a reasonable guess. Ken
12. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland [1]
John, Remember that the putative progenitor of the Ui Neill lineage, Niall, was given the title, "of the Nine hostages" for a reason - he had according to legend, founded nine colonies among other peoples, and had taken hostages from them to secure them. The nine peoples were: 1. Munster 2. Leinster 3. Connaught 4. Ulster 5. the Britons 6. the Picts 7. the Dal Riada 8. the Saxons 9. the Morini of Gaul Niall himself died while waging war in Gaul - modern France - after all. Therefore is it any wonder tha
13. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Network.exe [1]
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ewing" > Ken Nordtvedt said, "Fast markers actually should have better statistics > connected with their variance than slow markers. This is so because there > are more mutational events. The superiority of fast markers in this > respect > is reflected in the recommended way to combine the variances or mutational > counts of the whole set of markers employed." > > Interesting. I'm not clear about what "better statistics connected with
14. [DNA-R1B1C7] New map [1]
David, Thank you for putting up the new map. I wondered about the original map since there are many with roots from NW County Mayo that have the R1b1c7 haplotype. Most are from close to the northern coast of County Mayo as the new map indicates. I have another question I am curious about. My brother (74163) has a value of 12 for marker 455. This seems unusual for this group. Everything I have tried to find indicates that 455 is not one of the faster-mutating markers. If I look at the Manley (Munnell
15. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Duncans (WAS: DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 86) [1]
John, Yes, Duncan is a Scottish name and obviously of Gaelic origin. I can come up with a few ideas as to why it might be found in Dorset: 1. There was supposedly an Irish settlement in Cornwall, and Dorset is not too far from there. 2. There was a Viking settlement in South West Wales and surrounding parts of England - not to far from Dorset - and if this like other Viking colonies was a mixed Viking/Gaelic one, then it could have come from there. Cheers, Paul On 8/15/07, Lochlan@aol.com
16. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland [1]
Hi David, I have been going through the Annals of Ulster and the Four Masters, and will look the others in time to extract all the references I can find that refer to Scotland, including the Western Isles. I must say, the old annalist provide an interesting paper trail, that is often over looked. I notice under the 1005 section of the Four Masters, for the online edition at CELT: The Corpus of Electronic Texts, the editors have added the following reference: M1005.7 Echmhilidh Ua hAitidhe,
17. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland [1]
Richard B. Hare: Right on for that bit. Same goes for my first 3-4 generations. Maybe we Americans are more aggressive? Richard A. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard B. Hare To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland Heck, the first three generations of our family in the US had 12-16 children each. We could have done it ourselves! -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com
18. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland [1]
Paul Conroy writes: "During the initial colonization of the NE of Ireland the land was depopulated..." Paul, are you talking about the 12th century Anglo-Norman colonization of NE Ireland? If so, you are mistaken. The Anglo-Normans relied on Irish tenants to work "their" lands. "In Ulster, only the coastal territory of Antrim and Down was partially brought into the new system by the daring of John de Courcy (1177). It was not an 'invasion' in the strict sense of the word, but the kind of individual and loc
19. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland [1]
There are 8 participants in the Mackenzie DNA project that we consider to be R1b1c7 - 3 of those are at 67 markers and have been SNP tested. Two of the 67 marker participants have the Niall emblem and can trace their family history back to Scotland in the early 1800s. The others are unable to place their lineage in either Scotland or Ireland. There are 6 participants in the Gillespie DNA project that we consider to be R1b1c7. 5 of them are predicted to be R1b1c7 and one is still listed as R1b1. I am ple
20. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] New map [1]
In a message dated 8/28/2007 9:14:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, granoff@zianet.com writes: I have another question I am curious about. My brother (74163) has a value of 12 for marker 455. This seems unusual for this group. Everything I have tried to find indicates that 455 is not one of the faster-mutating markers. If I look at the Manley (Munnelly/Monneley/Munley) surname on Ysearch - all the Manleys from NW Ireland (County Mayo) who have had the 37-marker or better test show this same res
21. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Network.exe [1]
Paul, responding to your message beginning, "Great links:" To your first question, yes, but everything turns on the word "probably." Consider a lineage in which there is no mutation for 10 generations, then one finally occurs. These calculations will yield the result that the man whose son first showed the mutation is "probably more closely related" to his 8th great grandfather than he is to his own son. I am beginning to think that average mutation rates and calculations based on them should only be used
22. [DNA-R1B1C7] Capelli Y-DNA Study of British Isles [1]
I just realized I neglected to post the links that I promised to put up. Capelli, C. et al: A Y Chromosome Census of the British Isles. Current Biology 13, 979-984 (May 27, 2003) Download PDF of article from here: http://www.ftdna.com/pdf/capelli2_CB.pdf Download Spreadsheet of underlying data: www.m222.net/Capelli_2003_Data_(0708rev).xls The article includes a map that shows Capelli's sampling grid. You will need to have that open in front of you as you look at the Capelli did not discuss R1b1c7 as
23. [DNA-R1B1C7] The serious student. [1]
Gene Ashley said, "The serious student should maintain a open mind and have respect for another person's opinion Unless he knows it all. then it's ok.?" I am sorry to have hurt Gene's feelings, but let me share some thoughts. 1. I am not an expert in these matters. 2. I do not know it all, or indeed, very much. 3. Having an open mind involves at minimum not swallowing legends found on the Internet whole without consulting and citing other sources. 4. One does not need to be an expert or to "know it all"
24. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland [1]
Maybe I have missed a discussion about the value of CDYa, and I guess we can expect modals to evolve as more tests are done. However, what is the current view - is CDYa in the R1b1c7 modal 38 as shown in FTDNA (YSearch), or 37 as shown at _http://www.m222.net/R1b1c7_? Further, my CDYa = 37 and CDYb = 40, cf modal 38,39 (or 37,39). Does CDY have the same complications as 389? Does my CDY represent one, two or three mutations from the notional? David Grierson Lochlan@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated
25. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Lochlan" was Norse "Rogaland [1]
In a message dated 8/15/2007 11:16:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, pconroy63@gmail.com writes: In Irish Gaelic, "Lochlan" referred to someone of Viking or Viking/Gael descent, and has yielded the names Lochlan, McLochlan, Lachlan, McLachlan Loughlan, McLoughlan, Loughlin, McLoughlin, and others. I've read somewhere that the term was originally applied to mixed Viking/Gaels from the Hebridies. Later many of these mixed Hebridian tribes would become Gallowglass - mercenaries - to Irish chieftains in
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