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1. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
I second that opinion Be what you is, not what you aint, 'cause if you ain't what you is, you is what you ain't. - Luther D. Price ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Paterson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency > > > History suggests that Scots clans seldom agree on anything. >> > > The one exception that I can think of is that they believe their whiskey > is >
2. Re: [R-M222] L21 [1]
In a message dated 12/6/2008 12:26:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, equisand@equiformratings.com writes: If this is so, and my understanding that M222+ is a 'child' of L21+ is correct, this would seem to imply that M222+ almost definitely arose in Ireland, sprung from L21+. They've been arguing on the GEN-DNA list for the last month about where L21 originated. Some claim Ireland; some claim the Celtic fringe of the British Isles in general; some say the continent. I don't think anyone knows for
3. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
> History suggests that Scots clans seldom agree on anything. > The one exception that I can think of is that they believe their whiskey is superior to Irish whiskey. I disagree completely. Bushmills makes a blend called Black Bush that is in my opinion superior to anything my Scots brethren are capable of producing. As for what passes as whisky in the USA, I think silence is appropriate. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com]
4. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
Wow. I'm sure you'll find it acceptable if I answer you piece by piece. 1. How do we know which McDonalds they are? The best is to read what they say on their website. Their admission criteria are by far the most detailed I've seen on any site. I recall reading for example that only Dunleavy's from (such and such a place) are part of the McDonald Clan and that Dunleavy's from (elsewhere) are not. Unfortunately their Home Page is inoperative at the moment so I can't give you the link but I'll do so when i
5. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
In a message dated 12/2/2008 4:55:40 A.M. Central Standard Time, equisand@equiformratings.com writes: It would be far more convincing to take whatever M222+ is present in a group and to use that to check the plausibility of a pedigree claim by comparing it to the M222+ DNA of the grouping from whom descent is claimed. Isn't that exactly what we've been doing? And whom do you find as the closest relatives by pedigree to the Anradan kindred? O'Neills and McLaughlins. Not just any McLaughlins but
6. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
> For me that's one of the huge problems of attempting to link surnames to known clans. You almost have to go into the old territory itself to get DNA samples with definite locations, from people whose ancestors have lived there as long as they can remember. If you want to get a handle on Maclachlan of Argyllshire DNA go to Argyllshire for your samples, not Edinburgh or Galloway. If you want to find Maclochlainn of Donegal go to Donegal. We've attempted to do this in our McLaughlin DNA proje
7. Re: [R-M222] L21 [1]
Hi Paul I think I should re-phrase something. It's probably better to say that you are 'less far from' (L21+,M222-) than most of (L21+,M222+) rather than 'nearer to'. I did manage to find some L21+ haplotypes that you seem closer to than some M222+ haplotypes, but not many. I'd be more convinced though if we could find some haplotypes that look like M222+ but are SNP tested (L21+,M222-). My own SNP results are due soon. Who knows? Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@root
8. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
I've been following the discussion with interest, since it deals with questions that have been in my mind for a while now. John McLoughlin said that if the genealogies in O'Clery are correct, every McLaughlin in Inishowen in the 17th century should have been descended from a single son of Domhnall Mac Lochlainn. But should this really be so? It seems reasonable to think that the larger and more powerful the clan, the greater the proportion of members who are not patrilineal descend
9. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
Hi John > There are some things I don't respond to either because I have no real position one way or the other or I think someone else might respond. I think what you're referring to though is the following: "This seems quite relevant to me in considering for instance the DNA of purportedly Dalriadic descendants. In particular, the roughly 10% R1b1c7 found in Clan McDonald would seem to be about what one would expect if they were originally R1b1c7." > No, that's not what I'm getting at at all. I used
10. [R-M222] (no subject) [1]
You're probably right about that, Sandy. I see that they all vary at most by 1 at one marker, except for Mr. Sanderson and me, who differ from the modal by two. R.C.
11. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
Hi R.C. I'd like to read your posting a few times before perhaps asking a question or two. In the meantime though, > Someone, I don't recall if it was John or Sandy, spoke of 10% of the Clan Donald results being R1b1c7; I don't think that's quite right. Of the 677 participants, about 60 fall in the green subgroup of R1b, and of these, all of us who have been SNP tested (and this seems to be fewer than a dozen) are M222+ . > Yes, it was I. But you have me a little puzzled. Isn't 60 about 10
12. Re: [R-M222] Tribal Origins of DNA To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com [1]
As to Paul Conroy's post: yes, of course. As to John Mclaughlin's post: Thank you. I think we are on the same page, now. Maybe the Ewing cluster dates from the 15th century, for all I know, but I think 16th century is more probably right. David Ewing
13. Re: [R-M222] DYS385a,b [1]
----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Ferguson" > Related question: what is the modal Kittler test for R-M222? If it is not high/low 13-11 that would be most interesting (not expected). I hope someone from M222 has done a Kittler and can give us the answer.
14. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
Hi John > The traditional pedigree of the McDonalds has them descend from Colla Uais, one of the probably mythical founders of the Irish Airgialla. Sellar argued that the pedigree, which all authorities acknowledge is too short by multiple generations to be historically accurate, is just a "pointer" pedigree to the northern Ui Meicc Carthainn of the Irish Airgialla. His theory was widely accepted until DNA testing came along. Remember the McDonald clan's Colla Uais modal of a few years ago?
15. Re: [R-M222] Tribal Origins of DNA [1]
In a message dated 12/1/2008 1:21:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, davidewing93@gmail.com writes: I have argued in a number of posts that we should be careful of looking for ethnic, racial or tribal characteristics on the basis of genetics in men who have been tested and found to share a haplogroup subclade. I don't recall ever seeing a post saying anything like "there is [no] tribal basis for DNA whatsoever." This makes me worry that John has misunderstood my point, and if he has, practically everyb
16. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
Then we can just disagree. You don't need to be a Scot to do that.
17. Re: [R-M222] (no subject) [1]
Hi R.C. Right I'm with you now. If you have a look at the haplotypes in the Green group you'll notice that the vast majority of them are 15,16,16,17 at DYS 464 a,b,c,d Those that aren't are very close. That's a dead giveaway for M222+ so you can be fairly sure that they're all M222+ regardless of whether they've had an SNP test. That's probably why they've been grouped together. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
18. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
> The McEwans of Scotland are an old clan. That they once existed as a recognizable Scottish clan is attested to by the quote from Skene which accompanies their pedigree in the Gaelic MS. 1467. Note(7): "On a rocky point on the coast of Lochfine, about a mile below the church of Kilfinan, is to be seen the vestige of a building called Caisteal mhic Eoghuin or M'Ewen's castle. This M'Ewen was the chief of a clan and proprietor of Otter."- Stat. Acct. vol. 14, p. 259. From the genealogy, this tr
19. [R-M222] Other research companys have M222 listed a little differently [1]
You Will Find M222 Ashley's on almost all of the Following FTDNA Project research .Keep in mind other research company's have M222 listed a little differently Gene _ISOGG 2008 Y-DNA Haplogroup Tree_ (http://www.isogg.org/tree/) , _Eupedia : Geographic spread and ethnic origins of European haplogroups#J_ (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml#J) FTDNA _R1b1c7 Project Research_ (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/) M222 (R1b1c7) Project Research Research
20. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
> In Ireland we often see large concentrations of a given surname in certain counties or adjacent counties. Mostly these follow the old territorial locations for an Irish sept. If you look at the Griffith's Valuations for the surnames Doherty or McLaughlin you'll find by far the largest concentration of both surnames occurs in Donegal, Tyrone and Londonderry, The points of heaviest concentration can be astounding. There are something like 2,000 Dohertys listed in the Griffith's in Donegal
21. [R-M222] Gillespie 26,14 at DYS 481,487 [1]
>>The 66/67 match includes the very unusual combination of 26,14 at DYS 481,487. There are only two participants in the M222+ project that have that combination, namely myself and a GILLESPIE. <<< This is GILLESPIE DNA GROUP 5. There are 9 kits in this group and four have upgraded to 67 markers. All claim Ireland/Ulster as their starting point before arriving in America. One family group arrived in the early 1700s and we have a document that cites Ireland, but no specific location. We assume Ulster. On
22. Re: [R-M222] NPE Frequency [1]
In a message dated 12/2/2008 4:02:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, equisand@equiformratings.com writes: David Ewing, in a posting sometime in the past two days, raised the point that some NPE's would result in an unchanged family haplogroup, which is perfectly logical. So in your example of the Doherty's with 68% still being R1b1c7, a goodly bit of that 68% would probably represent NPE's where the natural father was also R1b1c7, thus leaving the family haplogroup intact. That is perfectly true. Yo
23. [R-M222] Tribal Origins of DNA [1]
John Laughlin said, "For those on this list who don't believe there is any tribal basis to DNA whatsoever I would advise concentrating on a known part of Ireland (Donegal) where the leading chieftains are well known from history." I have argued in a number of posts that we should be careful of looking for ethnic, racial or tribal characteristics on the basis of genetics in men who have been tested and found to share a haplogroup subclade. I don't recall ever seeing a post saying anything like "there is [no
24. [R-M222] DNA Records [1]
It seems a European panel of judges will rule today on an interesting case involving DNA. It seems two people who were arrested at some stage but were not found guilty of anything want their DNA records wiped out. I think it's a human rights thing. According to an internet search I did the other day, the USA and the UK combined have some 8m Y-chromosome haplotypes on record. I must say I'd like to get my grubby hands on them. Sandy
25. Re: [R-M222] DYS385a,b [1]
I updated some of the files on my M222/R1b1c7 site and eliminated others. http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ If anyone knows of any M222 or R1b1c7 links that might be of interest to members of this list let me know and I'll add them too. I'm probably going to be adding more documentation on Niall since that seems to be a popular topic. If you've never read the original Trinity article on Niall you can find it here. John
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