Most people now just use the short cut of "R M222+"
As more SNPs are added the string of letters and numbers will change. ISOGG has it listed one way and FTDNA another.
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, yair wrote:
From: yair
Subject: Re: [R-M222] [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1b2e??
To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 2:37 PM
At 02:46 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
> Can someone explain to this rookie what this new haplogroup
> designation mean
Thanks Walt I hope Mitch got more out of this then I did? Is there a new
location, and has it changed the focus? And are their any other changes, like
are we still Irish, Scot both or did it originate in some other location?
Thanks Billy
In a message dated 2/21/2009 8:21:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,
waltirish@verizon.net writes:
Hi Mitch & ALL ,
Hope this post finds things going well.
R-M222 (prefered R:M222) is the latest overall designation ('08)
which equals Ftdna latest '08 R1b1b2
In a message dated 2/3/2009 4:14:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,
pabloburns@comcast.net writes:
I imagine it is easy to confuse Sil Maine with Ui Maine. I found three
Kearney M222 and a Cairney M222 when trying to identify Ui Fiachrach septs in Co.
Mayo--DWEAC, 37DXW, FVGCT, and DEG9Q. 37DXW listed origins as "Clare" and the
others were the generic "Ireland." None were especially close so perhaps
they represent the various origins described on The Irish Times site:
That's a perfect illustratio
Hi Mitch & ALL ,
Hope this post finds things going well.
R-M222 (prefered R:M222) is the latest overall designation ('08)
which equals Ftdna latest '08 R1b1b2a1b5 and Isogg latest '08 R1b1b2a1b6b.
R1b1b2e '07 Ftdna previous = R1b1b2ae '07. Previos for all was the 'old'
R1b1c7
'05. Hope this info is helpful.
With kind regards , Walt
G'pa McKenzie - Central NJ Shore via Boston
IRISH ~
You are correct John, we "believe" it to be a geographical surname (Brittany, France) vice patrilineal, however, we both have a paper trail to Johan Jacob Lamineck of Germany though his is a bit more hazy. There are several branches of the same surnames in America. Some of these families had upwards of 12 kids in the 1800s. I will just need more samples to see if I can get a definitive DNA signature for the American surname line. The person who took the test was quite incredulous upon the results of th
I imagine it is easy to confuse Sil Maine with Ui Maine. I found three Kearney M222 and a Cairney M222 when trying to identify Ui Fiachrach septs in Co. Mayo--DWEAC, 37DXW, FVGCT, and DEG9Q. 37DXW listed origins as "Clare" and the others were the generic "Ireland." None were especially close so perhaps they represent the various origins described on The Irish Times site:
Kearney is common and widespread in Ireland, and has a number of different origins. In the west it originated in Co. Mayo, near Moyn
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR09.html
Hi Billy,
I'm sorry this is confusing. The link above will take you to the latest ISOGG haplogroup tree. The tree keeps changing as the scientists identify new SNPs to test for the DNA projects. The new SNPs add additional branches to the tree so the names like R1b1c7 have to change and they get longer and longer - and longer.
ISOGG is the main group that is creating the haplotree and they pull from more than one testing company. FTDNA is more conservati
I'm suddenly finding some southern Ui Neill DNA on Ysearch and Sorenson.
The main surname is Molloy, M222, most from Offaly or the vicinity,
the old territory of the O Mail Muaidh sept. There are at least seven
different samples on Sorenson, maybe more. The O'Molloys were Cenel
Fiachach mac Neill, as were the Mac Geogheghans. There are two of these
samples on Sorenson (one spelled Gagon). Another family linked to the
same stock are the O'Higgins, who are said to have migrated to Connacht.
The
At 02:46 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
> Can someone explain to this rookie what this new haplogroup
> designation means...R1b1b2e-M222(R1b1c7)? Are we no longer r1b1c7?
> Does this new group pinpoint a new location or area of focus? Is it
> official? What changes besides the numbers and letters?
ON
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml
They refer to "us" as
R1b1b2a1b6b (R1b1c7)
>
> Thanks,
> Mitch
>
>
>
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R:M222 means exactly what R1b1c7 once meant, and both mean exactly what the
long list of intermediate names have meant. The ancestry is the same. The
(usually faulty) arguments about origins are not affected.
If you want to understand why the names change, you will have to learn
something about how the phylogeny trees are constructed and how the names
are devised. Meanwhile, if all you want is not to be confused: nothing is
different.
David Ewing
"Add in the inevitable NPEs and it's difficult to decide anything."
Sigh. The very first person to test in my new project has proven one of us an NPE with our surname. I am an M222, this Laminack is a J2. The search goes on.
Regards, Steve Lominac> From: Lochlan@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:21:17 -0500> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Souther Ui Neill> > In a message dated 2/3/2009 4:14:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, > pabloburns@comcast.net writes:> > I imagine it is easy to