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1. [DNA-R1B1C7] DNA mutation kinetics ? [1]
For what it's worth: The past several postings suggested to me a kinetic similarity of nuclear decay (and chemical reactions) and haplotype mutations. For a given locus, mutation should be a first order reaction, with the rate of mutation proportional to the number of replications. The production of haploid gametes should be considered as the replication, but the formation of a diploid embryo is equivalent in probably terms, even though it is in far fewer numbers. The specific rate constant would depend
2. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Some Musings on R1b1c7 [1]
In a message dated 17/01/2008 15:30:52 GMT Standard Time, dcw@m222.net writes: After a long period of resistance, I am finally allowing myself to consider the possibility that the majority of the variance we see in R1b1c7 haplotypes today is the product of the last thousand years. It is interesting to me that distinctive allele values, when found, are usually associated with individual families, but not with groups of families. With rare exceptions, there are almost no close regional associations
3. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 and DYS 447 = 24 [1]
In a message dated 1/18/2008 10:03:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, risadoherty@aol.com writes: Of the the 56 classified as R1b1c7, 10 have DYS 447 = 24 (including myself, as you know -- PKJH4 in your email below).? Of the 10 having DYS 447 = 24, 8 of the 10 are clustered, with 6 of the 8 (the other 2 unknown) having their paternal origin traced to either Clonmany Parish or adjoining Donagh Parish in the northeastern portion of the Inishowen peninsula.? Hello, Mike Nice to hear from you again
4. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Dohertys and YCAab = 19-22 [1]
Shirley, setting aside tradition, do you have a supporting genealogy for William Laughlin and how far does it go back moving from father to son? Alan Milliken In a message dated 22/01/2008 23:35:15 GMT Standard Time, neece@ecis.com writes: John to respond to your email, yes we do have a history in Scotland but I will start in Ireland with Aodh Alainn born abt 1037 in Ulster Ireland and his son, Dunsleve moved to Loch Fine Scotland and there they stayed for about 18 generations, then Iain (J
5. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA [1]
John, I grew up in Ireland, my grandmother was a Dunne, my next door neighbour was a Dunne, the home I grew up in "Raheennahown House" was home to the once famous Dunne's of Raheennahown - MP in London and Majors in the British army in India. I'm also a fluent Irish Gaelic speaker, and in my youth spend 5 summers living among native speakers of the language in Connemara, West Galway and Dingle, West Kerry - I've been told that when I talk in my sleep, it is sometimes in Gaelic... Almost 30 years ago, when
6. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] The Trinity Ui Neill study [1]
May be we should consider it to be 'subjective". There is no way, unless you have docs, that you can pin down an estimate let alone a actual event. Steven Lominac wrote: > I have to agree with David on this one. I too thought the 25 year generation time was a bit conservative until I thought past the firstborns. In my own family, my father was the 10th of 10 and his father was 45 when he was born. My great grandfather was 47 when my grandfather was born. I guess I'm lucky as hell to be here. Steve
7. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA [1]
In a message dated 1/30/2008 8:21:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, colin.fergie@gmail.com writes: John, I'm not sure what you mean by Southern Ui Neill but I have noticed a singular Driscoll, a name associated with south cork, on SMGF who appears to be R1b1c7. See: http://tinyurl.com/2fz98n Cheers, Colin Ferguson The O'Driscolls are one of the clans in Ireland given an Erainn or Belgae pedigree (per O'Rahilly). But finding a stray R1b1c7 among Irish clans that shouldn't be is a fairly common
8. [DNA-R1B1C7] DYS 460 and ancestry.com [1]
I have a result (another Grierson) of an ancestry.com test which had a value of 13 at DYS 460. This is very rare (3 cases) in the FTDNA results. I expect that he will be shown to be in our haplogroup. Is there any correction which should be applied to ancestry results when comparing with FTDNA results, particularly DYS 460? David Grierson
9. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 and DYS 447 = 24 [1]
In a message dated 1/19/2008 7:30:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, Alanmill10@aol.com writes: John Thanks for the update on this one. I wonder if the DYS 447 = 24 is a bit like DYS 390 = 24. I have observed in our Project, a one step mutation down from 25 alleles to 24 alleles. I don't know when this occurred, but the paper trail between two participants suggests it occurred sometime before 1500, but after 1200. I wonder if this has happened in Co. Donegal at a much earlier date? I
10. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Dohertys and YCAab = 19-22 [1]
John, The second group of non-matching O'Neills exactly matches a number of Greers, with both 10 and 11 occurring at 391. Unfortunately none are SNP tested at the moment, but FT estimates their Hg as either R1b1 or R1b1c - however, we know the unreliability of those estimates. One however, has 67 markers, and the panel 4 zone has significant variation from most M222+, so I doubt whether they are R1b1c7. Regards David Grierson Lochlan@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 1/22/2008 5:35:25 P.M. Centra
11. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] DYS values for specific surnames [1]
In a message dated 1/19/2008 11:43:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, granoff@zianet.com writes: I have been following with interest the discussion of individual DYS# values as related to specific surnames from Donegal, especially the Dohertys. My ancestors from County Mayo had the surname Munnelly or Monnelly. This was usually eventually Anglicized to "Manley" in the US, especially after the Molly Maguire trials and hangings in Pennsylvania in the late 1870s. The Munnelly/Monnelly surname ap
12. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 and DYS 447 = 24 [1]
In a message dated 1/19/2008 6:15:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, dan_jenkins66@hotmail.com writes: Now what was surprising was the results of U3GXW , 13 off from above and HPWFP 14 off , and they 18 off from each other . This is showing some wide diversity . Dan, this Gallagher sample (U3GXW) is not R1b1c7. So you can't compare him to your uncle's sample (92VDK) which is definitely R1b1c7. Apples and oranges. I now have 10 Gallagher (and variants forms) DNA samples in my Donegal spread
13. [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 and DYS 576 = 17 [1]
We have other deviation from the R1b1c7 modal which is especially prominent in our McLaughin Donegal cluster but perhaps not surprising also occurs to some extent in Doherty matches. DYS 576 = 17. By itself this value pulls up 49 matches in Ysearch (13 markers, 0 GD). When combined with DYS 447 = 24 it's nearly unique - McLaughlins and a Doherty. The Doherty in question does not have the characteristic YCAab of most Dohertys and could be an NPE McLaughlin. As time goes on I'd expect to see
14. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] The Trinity Ui Neill study [1]
David, The last 300 years where? Among what ethnic group(s)? First off, we're talking about a span of time of about 1,700 years, give or take a few hundred, so estimates have to consider historic and pre-historic time frames - certainly not only time frames. The last 300 years is the time since Industrialization began, this is not representative time period. Since most of this time period, the population in question was living in Northern Ireland and surrounding areas, then this is the specific populatio
15. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Some Musings on R1b1c7 [1]
I also feel uneasy about what we actually mean when we talk about the "age" of R1b1c7. We can see that the R1b1c7 modal haplotype stands at a considerable distance from the modal haplotype for mainstream R1b1c -- a genetic distance of 18 over 76 markers (compare C7BED and M5UKQ at Ysearch). To my mind that implies divergence a long time ago. Note that R1b1c9 and R1b1c10 show enough variance within their own populations to imply founders who lived at least a few thousand years ago. But for all the observed v
16. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] You won't believe how many R1B1C7s surnames 1850 TNCensus [1]
Part of the whole Scots-Irish immigration thing. The families with lowland Scots roots who left Northern Ireland between 1720 and 1775 mostly put down roots in southern PA, the western portions of VA and the Carolinas, then Northern GA and AL. From those locations many moved to the other side of the mountains -- TN and KY. These families' geographical roots in the British Isles lie exactly where R1b1c7 is found in greatest concentration (though lots of other haplogroups are found there too, of course). Dav
17. [DNA-R1B1C7] You won't believe how many R1B1C7s surnames 1850 TN Census [1]
_Return to Main Page_ (http://www.census-online.com/transcript/tn/greene/index.html) Index - M _[A]_ (http://www.census-online.com/transcript/tn/greene/A.html) _[B]_ (http://www.census-online.com/transcript/tn/greene/B.html) _[C]_ (http://www.census-online.com/transcript/tn/greene/C.html) _[D]_ (http://www.census-online.com/transcript/tn/greene/D.html) _[E]_ (http://www.census-online.com/transcript/tn/greene/E.html) _[F]_ (http://www.census-online.com/transcript/tn/greene/F.html) _[G
18. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] DYS values for specific surnames [1]
Hi Ray. No, the Gormley kit (ysearch id 8FB5K) has 455 = 11. I did find an O'Brien with 455 = 12 on ysearch that is gd = 3 from my brother. The O'Brien's ysearch ID is DCF5C. I did go back and look though, and all the Manley/Munnelly/Monnelly kit ids that I know are from County Mayo (from correspondence in some cases) do have 455 = 12. This is true for both the ones on ysearch and those in the Manley DNA surname project. There are some kits that are in both studies and some that are in only one or the
19. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA [1]
John, >From FamilyTreeDNA, I get the following results: I'm a GD=1 for 25-markers for: Kathleen Dunne-Woelfel (Y37) I'm a GD=2 for 25-Markers for: Lee J. Bain (Y37) Peter R Dunn (Y37) Robert Hugh Dunn (Y37) Joseph Patrick Cullivan (Y67) William N Kelley (Y37) For some reason, all of these have chosen NOT to be listed on ySearch Cheers, Paul On Jan 31, 2008 12:48 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 1/30/2008 10:01:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, > pconroy63@gmail.com writes: > Almost 30
20. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Some Musings on R1b1c7 [1]
I believe a few Rox's have 385ab like Cadwgon ap Elystan Glodrudd and Stu Hays of this list. But obviously there would have to be a very large amount of convergence for a generic Rox 391=10 to approximate R1b1c7. John Plummer Lochlan@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/17/2008 9:30:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, dcw@m222.net writes: After a long period of resistance, I am finally allowing myself to consider the possibility that the majority of the variance we see in R1b1c7 haplotypes today is
21. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Some Musings on R1b1c7 [1]
In a message dated 1/17/2008 9:30:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, dcw@m222.net writes: After a long period of resistance, I am finally allowing myself to consider the possibility that the majority of the variance we see in R1b1c7 haplotypes today is the product of the last thousand years. It is interesting to me that distinctive allele values, when found, are usually associated with individual families, but not with groups of families. With rare exceptions, there are almost no close regional assoc
22. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] FTDNA Panel 4 Stability [1]
J. David Grierson wrote: > Jeff, > Thanks for your prompt response. In determining mutations per > generation, I am partly influenced by the fact that I am identical (at > 37 anyway) with my Great Grandfather, ie three generations (and I > strongly suspect that will be true at 67). So can we fit 6,7 or 8 > mutations into the approximately 28 generations since the name Grierson > was first recorded? If so, your argument holds. If not, I am back to my > ultimate statement. > Simply, if they are usi
23. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] The Trinity Ui Neill study [1]
Since we're looking only at the Y-chromosome succession here, we don't need to worry about the ages of the mothers involved. The point is that if a males historically fathered a surviving child every year or two between the ages of 20 and 50, the average age for that generation is 35. I have no doubt that tracing firstborns only would get you a new generation every 23 years or so on average, but if we are tracking all individuals who left offspring (and specifically male offspring), the average generation w
24. [DNA-R1B1C7] FTDNA Panel 4 Stability [1]
These questions are for David Wilson, but I think they are of general interest, and I would value comment from anybody. I have a number of what I identify as "Celtic" Grier(son)/Greers with the Panel 4 (ie loci 38-67) results almost identical to the R1b1c7 modal from YSearch. The only difference is in DYS444, which in ALL members of the Grier(son)Greer project is 13, a very rare result. Indeed, there appears to be only one other R1b1c7 member (16616 Conroy) with this score. As it happens, he also has
25. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 and DYS 447 = 24 [1]
Hi John, I thought I might chime in by updating you a bit in relation to the Doherty Surname Project.? Of 85 participants whose results have been reported, 56 can be classified as R1b1c7.? That rate of approximately 67% = R1b1c7 has remained remarkably consistent since the commencement of the Project. Of the the 56 classified as R1b1c7, 10 have DYS 447 = 24 (including myself, as you know -- PKJH4 in your email below).? Of the 10 having DYS 447 = 24, 8 of the 10 are clustered, with 6 of the 8 (the other
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