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From: "R. C. Mac Donald"
> Ken,
>
> Unless you're alleging outright fraud by FTDNA, I think you agree that at
> the very least "tested" indicates that some kind of test was performed,
> don't you?
Not fraud, but extreme carelessness. Please get a clear statement from
FTDNA as to what the "tested" is supposed to mean that they added on their
own to thousands of Ysearch entries, but not others. The owners of those
entries were not consulted ahead of tim
Granted that Y-chromosomes are passed directly father to son, is there
any indication that they are not affected by the maternal input as
well? Can modifications in the y-chromosome be initiated by the
mother's genes?
I haven't seen discussion on this, but it seems that if a child is
gestated in a person's system that that system should affect ALL
portions of the child's biology, and it would seem logical that
those effects would also reach into what are traditionally thought of
as "male"
In a message dated 6/9/2007 4:29:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
Alanmill10@aol.com writes:
Hi John
I have been out of the sceen for a few months, so not sure where the trail
of this email picked up. In the Trinity College Study and Capelli Study,
clusters of R1b1c7 were identified in County Mayo. Do you think these
clusters
reflect a later migration into this area from Donegal, rather than the other
way
round?
I think there may have been some R1b1c7 in Mayo prior to the Donegal
m
In a message dated 6/5/2007 3:14:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com writes:
It's pretty amazing how these pseudo legends get started. Ever hear the
one
about Nial 'of the Nine Hostages' kidnapping St. Patrick in Britain? Funny
how the Tripartite Life of Patrick, which mentions numerous sons of Nial,
never mentions that.
John
There appears to be some truth to the Legends If you cross reference
multiple sources One is the Indo-Euro language Tree and Y-DNA Hap
John,
You are right. I no sooner had sent my "Confusing" message than It struck me about the difference in time. Oppenheimer of course was theorizing about very ancient migrations--before and after the Younger Dryas--while
R1b1c7 is thought to have appeared anywhere from 3000-1500BC. Apples and Oranges.
Paul
I have pasted below an exchange of emails with FtDNA about the meaning
of "tested" on the YSearch site.
May 13, 2007
from David Ewing
to Catherine McDonald, FtDNA
Good morning, Catherine, and happy Mother's Day.
I recently had a look at Y-Search, where there are 20 Ewings and 1
McEwan. A number of these turn up as, for example, "R1b1 (tested)."
To me, this would mean that the participant had had his haplogroup
confirmed by SNP testing.
Have a look at 6QFVW, which is Ewing project member 85589. The
Y-Se
I have been beating my brains out over the last couple of weeks trying to
understand what Kevin Campbell's recent paper in the online Journal of
Genetic Genealogy can teach us about our Ewing project results. I much
appreciate his publishing this, notwithstanding the bumps on my head, but
I'm not sure I'm making progress and I invite comment from the lists. (In
this posting, I report data on the ten OGAP markers in the order they appear
in the table in Appendix A of Campbell's paper, Geographic Patterns of
Here is the only thing i have on Sinor from Woulfe's page 277-278:
De SionuirXIde Synors, de Sinors, de Sunors,
Shinnor, Shinnors; Nor. ' de Sinors,' etc., i.e., of
Sinors or Sunors, apparently some spot in England ;
an old, but rare, Anglo-Norman surname found
chiefly in East Limerick and in parts of Connacht.
V. Sionuir.
Steve Lominac
> From: Lochlan@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:54:43 -0400> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in England> > Here's a list of matches I fou
In a message dated 6/3/2007 10:25:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com writes:
Yair wrote:
I understand your point.
The DNA that determines our haplogroup sequences does not presumably
influence other features.
OK.
It does however suggest a common ancestry in the male line.
This MIGHT conceivably be accompanied by other characteristics.
The key word is "accompany" rather than "determine".
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In a message dated 6/5/2007 4:15:47 A.M. Central Standard Time,
pabloburns@comcast.net writes:
I have some of O'Donovan's letters concerning Mayo, but this migration is
not in what I have. If you (or anyone else) can guide me to it, I would be most
appreciative.
Paul - I know I read that in O'Donovan's Mayo Letters. But I don't have
copies anymore. I can retrieve copies from the St. Louis University library in
St. Louis but it will take me awhile. It's really quite an interesting
secti
I did a little checking on some claims about the oldest surnames in Ireland.
"The old clan names were always in the plural and were the common possession
of the whole tribe. Ob
In a message dated 6/10/2007 3:15:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com writes:
Y Search seems to have re-classified(?) my results as
R1b1c8*
Hi Yair You may have selected R1B1C8 yourself by mistake . You input all
the info. You may have to re edit your entry...
EB Ashley
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David,
I appreciate your e-mail. First let me say that it was never my intent to
completely solve R1b, strictly to try to decipher Sykes analysis. With that
several thoughts.
First, you are correct that the core Ewing model (VPNY2, also the string
with the 19 participants) is not present anywhere in the 1600+ samples of the
OGAP data. Your second most prevalent string (9 samples, with 390=10) isn't
present either. You're also correct in that the culprit is the Ewing 439=13.
This seems v
Here's the data from the 1659 census.
The parish of Templemore included the city of Derry and some adjacent
townlands. Some are listed in Londonderry Co.; some in Donegal.
In Londonderry Co.
Elagh
Ballynegallagh
Cragan
Ye fine Ballyboes of Leruske
Ballymagroty
Cosquin
Termonpakagh
Mullenan
Killea
Ballyoughrie
Ballygoane
Shantallion
Ballyneshelloge
Ballingard
Ballygarwell
In Donegal
Castle Hill
Bellimony
Drumgone
Molevee
Bohillin more
Bohillin beg
Tullet
Castle Cooke
Moness
Carne mady
Skeog
Lis
The Anglo-Saxon name Cuthbert would be appropriate for an R1b1c7 as Saint Cuthbert was trained in the Celtic tradition. The surname Soord is a variant of Siward. R1b1c7 King Duncan McCrinan married a daughter of Siward, so that name may have been perpetuated among male line descendants. These 2 examples are just off the top of my head. There are undoubtedly plausible explanations for others as well.
John Plummer
Steven Lominac wrote:
Here is the only thing i have on Sin
In a message dated 6/24/2007 11:54:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
davidewing93@gmail.com writes:
Remember that Y-DNA haplogroups like R1b1c7 are based on the non-recombining
portion of the Y-chromosome. The few genes that are on the Y-chromosome will
be passed on along with the haplotype, but almost all of them have to do
with male reproductive physiology and have nothing to do with blood types,
appearance, or anything else that we usually think of as inherited.
Consider this. If an R1b1c7 ind
_Ireland Unveiled_ (http://www.irelandunveiled.com/myths-legends.cgi)
We all are excited about being part of program even though we know it not
totally based on Science alone
EB Ashley
Myth or history, fact or fiction? While academic interpretations may vary,
the legends certainly make for fascinating reading.
The Cycle of Kings is a mixture of genuine history with symbolic fiction
Can Science Prove what is partly myth,part faith based and what Trinity
provocatively suggested that the haplot
In a message dated 6/2/2007 7:09:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,
stevelominac@hotmail.com writes:
Here is the only thing i have on Sinor from Woulfe's page 277-278:
b
In a message dated 6/4/2007 12:37:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dcw@m222.net writes:
I thought it might help cluster hunters to have a table of R1b1c7 haplotypes
with non-modal values called out by color. This link will take you to such a
table
When viewing tables created through GAP facilities provided by FTDNA keep in
mind that the results are from FTDNA raw reports. If the person tested has
edited his YSearch file to include data from EA, DNA-fp, DNAH etc, this data
will not show in some
I spent a little time with the Griffith's Valuations, checking for Donegal
names in Mayo. Every name O'Donovan mentioned in the Ordnance Survey Letters
is present.
O'Donovan mentioned these names in one place or another:
Doherty
Mac Sweeny
O'Clery
O'Gallagher,
Conway
Mac Menamou
O'Friel
McLaughlin
Kane
O'Donnell
Some names may be disguised by different anglicized forms.
There are no Clerys or O'Clerys but lots of Clarke/Clarke surnames, which
according to MacLysaght is a stand-in for O'Clery
In a message dated 6/4/2007 3:15:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com writes:
Interesting so that is what the bump is? I have wondered all my life what
> that ridge at the base of my head is. Thanks now I know. So,how and why
do
> we have this and how and why would this come about in people in Ireland
or
> Scotland?
>
> Billy Dunbar
>
>
>
>
Hmmm, don't Melungeons have a similar feature?
In my opinion the Melungeon Hypothsies started out as back
Can someone tell me more about this group? I am researching McMillans and
McKinnons from the Isle of Harris (Western Isles) who came to Canada in the
late 1880s. I scanned a few of the messages on the board and most seemed to
be about people who came to the U.S. in the 1700s. Does anyone have similar
interests as mine or have I gotten on the wrong list?
Carolyn
Hi all,
Thank you for establishing this list and for all your insight and comments. It's very interesting, and admittedly for me, also quite confusing at times. But the bottom line is that I'm learning a lot.
Just for the record, I have quite a bit of experience with old fasioned genealogy, but I'm a relative newcomer to the DNA world.
I am tested R1b1c7 for my Mitchell line through FamilyTree DNA and my 37 marker yDNA results are a genetic distance of 7 from the Niall, NW Ireland results.
I may have discovered the ydna of Joseph Smith, assasinated founder of the
LDS church. I looked in SMGF for NW Irish R1b with the 25 changed to 24,
but I kept the 14 at 392, 11-13 at 385, and 18 at 448.
There were about 20 different "Smith" hits. I suspect these are Joseph's
descendants. Maybe someone can add this haplotype to the "ydna of the rich
and famous site".
Anyway, this variation on the standard 390 = 25 NW Irish R1b looks more
Irish than the standard.
1 Wales
1 England
11 Irish
1 German
Yes, let's keep this on a DNA basis! As religion just like government,
doesn't come into play here. As for me I don't think any one has proved one way
or the other, or really knows, so just to be safe I believe in a higher power
whatever it fall's in.
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