Yair Davidiy writes, "R1b1c7 members are probably of much less varied
origins than most ethnic groups. The chances are that some characteristic
attributes of statistical significance do exist."
Remember, the Y-chromosome only passes down the paternal line. Your paternal
grandfather has contributed only 25% of your genetic make up. Your 10th
great grandfather in the paternal line has contributed only 0.024%. R1b1c7
members do not constitute an "ethnic group." Indeed, genetic make up has
practically nothing
After a decent September showing (68 messages), the list traffic almost
completely evaporated in October (five messages). Until this "still active?"
discussion broke out, there had been no posts in November.
That's probably because some of the conversations that we might have
expected to see going on here have migrated to other lists where they can
been carried on as surname or regional discussions. The DNA details of
R1b1c7 haplotypes would probably be discussed first on the GENEALOGY-DNA
list because tha
Ditto. Explaining data variations in this manner paints a very
clear picture. Rebecca
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FOR EXAMPLE
Do a survey at the train station: Choose passengers awaiting train
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Congratulations! That is the best explanation I've ever heard
In a message dated 11/19/2007 2:00:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com writes:
The more I see of R1b1c7 haplotypes, the more I am surprised at the extent
to which they form a fairly regular distribution about the modal haplotype.
I hoped and expected to see some regional clusters show up in the data as
more haplotypes were established, but with the exception of the usual
distinctions between families (and in some cases within them), major
divisions within R1b1c7 are har
I think testing would be great idea.
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[mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of yair
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:55 PM
To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com
Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] On Behalf of Something like ethnic specifics
Researchers conduct ethnic specific surveys, e.g.
Percentage of dentists who are Jewish, of doctors who are Irish, sport
champions who are Afro-Americans, etc.
also characteristics and physical attributes.
Ethnic
David,
That National Trust site is pretty crap - it mis-identified the surname
CONROY as being English-Norman or Norman?!
I do like the spatial output though - as I'm a cartophile!
For similar output like this for the US, try this link:
http://www.hamrick.com/names/
For "Wilson":
http://www.hamrick.com/names/names.cgi?surname=wilson&year=xxxx&type=html
Cheers,
Paul
On Nov 19, 2007 12:23 AM, David Wilson wrote:
> After a decent September showing (68 messages), the list traffic almost
>From Tony O'Shaughnessy Ysearch RQNM7
I have been contacted by a R1b1c6 YSearch researcher with a query on my
DYS 436 marker value result of 10.
His examination of the R1b1c7 databases indicated that this value of 10 was
individually different to the usual value of 12 on the generality of R1b1c7
DYS436 results.
He also pointed out that he had found no one with an intermediate value
of 11 within the Ysearch R1b1c7 Group results.
He found only 5 similar cases showing the 10 marker value in
Josh,
Well this discussion forum is primarily about Genealogy and more
specifically Genetic Genealogy, and not nature vs nurture in relation to IQ.
I highly recommend the Gene Expression site - where I'm a frequent
contributor - for that discussion:
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/index.php
Having said that, most R1b1c7's are from Ireland or their descendants, with
a lesser number from Scotland (in areas known to have some prior Irish
emigration or colonization) or descendants, and almost none elsewhere. So in
e
Here's a basic list of Ui Neill and Connachta surnames taken mainly from the
O'Clery Book of Genealogies and the Topographical Poems of O'Dugan. As most
of you probably know, the Connachta (Ui Bruiun and Ui Fiachrach) are NOT
said to be descendants of Nial and are NOT Ui Neill. They are said to descend
instead from brothers of Nial - but no historian really believes in that
genealogical fiction. Yet it appears there is a connection of some kind since the
leading chieftains, like those of the
I like your idea of the controlled surname study, and as one of the more
unusual names, mine would seem to be an interesting one. As I mentioned in a
previous email, the Golden name has been anglicized from the Gaelic Mac
Ualghairg. My family is from Killala Bay, County Mayo which borders Co.
Sligo. My father has been tested to the 67th level and we have records going
back at least 4 generations. His parents came to the US in 1912 and 1913.
My lack of scientific training, however...
Marie Golden Kerr
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With all the bickering that went on in the last few months I would doubt it.
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Paul Conroy wrote:
> Quantitative IQ ability. So for
> instance if you had a Swede with IQ 100 and an Irish person with IQ 100, the
> Irish person might score half a Standard Distribution (SD) higher on Verbal,
> and half a SD lower on Quantitative. In a practical sense this gives the
> Irish the famous, "Gift of the Gab",
Has anyone done a study to determine how many of the Irish have Williams
Syndrome?
--
Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG
~~
Blacksheep Ancestors in your Family?
'Blacksheep Genealogy' is a re
I put together a few annal entries and corresponding pedigrees to illustrate
the surname adoption process among some of the Donegal clans. I hadn't
noticed this before but the O'Donnell example doesn't fit the normal pattern - or
a name is missing from the pedigree. The O'Dohertys just pop up in the
annals for the first time in 1180 but the surname was undoubtedly in existence
long before that. As far as I can see the O'Boyles and O'Gallaghers aren't
mentioned in the annals prior to 1180 A.D.
Researchers conduct ethnic specific surveys, e.g.
Percentage of dentists who are Jewish, of doctors who are Irish,
sport champions who are Afro-Americans, etc.
also characteristics and physical attributes.
Ethnic groups are usually very varied in origin
but nevertheless certain predominant attributes are often noticed.
R1b1c7 members are probably of much less varied origins than most
ethnic groups.
The chances are that some characteristic attributes of statistical
significance do exist.
Why not test fo
Marie,
I would volunteer my surname also - Conroy - as I'm from County Laois, which
is hundreds of miles from the epicenter of R1b1c7 in NW Ireland. Here's some
info on the derivation of the surname itself:
Patrick Conroy was my grandfather, born in County Laois, Ireland. Country
Laois was formerly called: County Laoghis, County Leix and Queen's County.
There are 3 main areas of Ireland with Conroys, they are: Galway/Mayo,
Roscommon and Laois/Offaly. The Conroy clan in County Laois is supposed to
have ori
In a message dated 11/25/2007 11:27:11 A.M. Central Standard Time,
Sokart@msn.com writes:
John,
So, in the O'Donnell genealogy, do you think we should slip in a
hypothetical Domnall Og as the father of Cathbarr? And what about Conn -- is he
Cathbarr's uncle, his brother, or son of a different Domnall altogether?
I don't really have a solution for that problem. The annal entry doesn't
agree with the pedigree so there's something wrong. I don't know if anyone's
really interested in the su
GOOD IDEAS DAVID! HOPEFULLY SOME FAMILIES WILL STEP FORWARD TO PURSUE THE
STUDY. THE "MILLIGANS" IN VARIOUS BUT RELATED FORMS SHARE YOUR QUESTIONS. WE
LAST SHOWED IN SW SCOTLAND, MIGRATED TO ULSTER DURING THE PLANTATION. OUR
RESEARCH PLACES ANCESTORS IN SW SCOTLAND AT LEAST BY LATE 1100'S. RESEARCH
ALSO INDICATES THAT BEFORE THEN THE "Ms" WERE IN ULSTER WITH THE OTHER UI
NEILL GROUPS. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY THAT OUR UI NEIL ANCESTRY
MAY HAVE BEEN IN DONEGAL AREA IN EARLY TIMES AND FOUND
Though the Y-chromosome is passed through the paternal line and all men have
it, it does not code for "maleness." It does contain a gene that codes for a
signal that causes the undifferentiated gonads in the embryo to become
testes rather than ovaries. The testes then began producing testosterone,
which has effects on a lot of different organ systems. These organ systems
and their responses to testosterone are coded on autosomes, not on the
Y-chromosome. The Y-chromosome only provides a "switch that turns o
In a message dated 11/23/2007 12:22:34 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Alanmill10@aol.com writes:
John
Do you see a relationship with the old family of Acannan aka Cannon in
Galloway and the Ua Cannan of Donegal? R. C. Reid published an article in
the
Dumfries and Galloway Natural and Archaeological Journal and he suggested
they
were of Irish original?
I must say, I have might doubts, but DNA might well prove otherwise!
I kind of doubt it myself. The Donegal O Canannans were kings of
In a message dated 11/22/2007 7:35:47 A.M. Central Standard Time,
b424r560@sbcglobal.net writes:
John,
I keep seeing Cannon listed for the Trinity study but I have never seen any
Cannon DNA results in any of the results tables that I have looked at. Have
you seen Cannon in any of the actual results tables?
Gary Blakely
There are some R1b1c7 Cannons listed in Ysearch; I think a few of them list
an origin in Donegal but it's been awhile since I looked. The Ua Canannans
were kings of Tirconne
We had some informative posts in the last few days from individuals who
described the regional associations of their earliest R1b1c7 ancestors.
Please let this message serve as a thread-anchoring post for additional
discussion along those lines.
David Wilson
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At 05:25 PM 11/20/2007, you wrote:
>Yair Davidiy writes, "R1b1c7 members are probably of much less varied
>origins than most ethnic groups. The chances are that some characteristic
>attributes of statistical significance do exist."
>
>Remember, the Y-chromosome only passes down the paternal line. Your paternal
>grandfather has contributed only 25% of your genetic make up. Your 10th
>great grandfather in the paternal line has contributed only 0.024%.
OK but he has determined the maleness of whoever came aft
I don't know who all is on your email, but on behalf of my father (James J.
Golden), who is a definite R1b1c7, we definitely know our origins. My
father's parents were born and raised in (Rath)Lacken, County Mayo Ireland,
on Killala Bay. It's not far from County Sligo, which, along with Mayo, has
a good number of Goldens. Golden is an Anglicized version of a Gaelic name
(and my grandparents spoke it fluently) and in fact both of my grandparents
were born Golden (at best fourth cousins). My grandmother (Ann