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1. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ??? [1]
Sandy, I have an uncle who is KANE from Laois, and he has many relatives of the same name in Laois/Kildare - I haven't been successful in getting him to have his DNA tested yet, but he says that the family came from "Northern Ireland" a couple of centuries ago and are definitely O'Cathain, sub chiefs to the O'Neills. Cheers, Paul On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:00 AM, Sandy Paterson wrote: > Hi Bernard > > If you click on > > http://mccaindna.ulsterheritage.com/ > > then click on
2. Re: [R-M222] NPE terms [1]
Watch out; all those birth events will be blamed on my great uncle Ole Swenson. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: [R-M222] NPE terms How about "Other Lineage Event" or "Outside Lineage Event" LOLOL - sorry I didn't realize that it would be OLE or Ole! Oh, well, at least it would remove the stigma and make it sound festive! Maybe "Other Surname Event" or "OSE" would be better. Connie
3. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Dubious Paternity descriptions [1]
Your right David, my oldest son I adopted after I married his mother, she had him out of wedlock as a young girl and kept him. I love him as my own and always will, as at that time I had two girls of my own and did not think I would have a son. I later did have my own biological son. As a member of a family who had Native ancestors, we have had many tribe's that white officials and Missionary's forced white names on also which has been a real problem over the ages. In a message dated 10/7/2008
4. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ?? [1]
Gee Linda, lighten up a little, who says I have a "campaign"? There is no such thing as a Non-paternal event, SOMEONE is the father. Someone did the dirty deed. That event was one of paternity. It is just hard to determine who, in some cases. So the closest thing to accurately describing what is likely is a "non-marital genetic incursion" into a family line, of course this breaks the surname/genetic commonality of a line. And yes I have one in my family I have solved WITH dna testing. Y-chromosome
5. Re: [R-M222] ysearch YBEJ5 [1]
Comparing the 368 haplotypes with at least 37 markers within the R-M222 Project, we see the following genetic distances represented: GD Count 0 1 1 8 2 20 3 28 4 60 5 52 6 65 7 41 8 43 9 25 (plus one that is M222-) 10 13 11 2 12 2 13 1 14 2 15 2 That is, there is one haplotype that matches the R-M222 modal haplotype exactly, 8 that are one step off, 20 at a genetic distance of 2, and so on. The greatest genetic distance observed among confirmed R-M222 haplotypes is 15. The mode of the distribution is 6
6. [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ??? [1]
Hi John, sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that the possible NPE associated with the blacksmith's son was the cause of the 'loss' of the main O'Neill line. I used that as an illustration only because at least it is remembered while older ambiguous situations are not in times when we have only lists of kings and, maybe, tanists. Especially in a culture that was substantially different from this one -- where there was nothing immoral with having multiple wives, for example, in pre-Christian Ireland. Adoption w
7. [DNA-R1B1C7] Moderator Reminder [1]
While disagreement and argument are welcome on this list, we should all remember that disdain and irritation are not usually tools that will persuade the undecided to one's own point of view. Not all comments on the list deserve a response on the list, and not all comments on the list should have been there in the first place. Some exchanges of opinion are best handled through private correspondence. I would encourage all list members to remember that the watchwords for any RootsWeb genealogy list are court
8. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Ireland vs. Scotland [1]
Why not look at where R1b1b2e is found today in Scotland . I will bet most will be found in Glascow or nearby, where by 1830 better than 80% were Glascow Irish from Ulster . I cannot see how modern Y-DNA is going to explain what transpired more than 1000 years ago in the British Isles between Ireland and Scotland . How many back and forths were there ? I think the horse expired , due to the many beatings . Dan Jenkins > From: Lochlan@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:00:28 -0400> To: dna-r1b1c7
9. Re: [R-M222] To NPE or not to NPE [1]
Agreed. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:53 AM, David Ewing wrote: > The fact is that there is nothing inherently salacious in the term > "non-paternal event" (NPE), which simply means that someone has a surname > he > did not get from his biological father. There are many perfectly > "legitimate" ways for that to happen. The tinge of moral offense that sends > us looking for a new term is not contained in the words, but rather is > applied to them, like rouge, because it is the nature o
10. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ??? [1]
Bernard, that's pretty close. But the pedigree ends in Nialgusa of Aberice. And there just happens to be a Nialgusa in the pedigree of the McDonalds in the same manuscript. The Genealogy of the ClanDonald.- John son of Alaster son of Donald son of John son of Angus oge son of Angus Mor son of Donald son of Ranald son of Somerled son of Gillebryde son of Gilleadamnana son of Sella son of Mearshaige son of Swyffine son of Nialgusa son of Maine son of Godrey son of Fergus son of Erc son of Cartain
11. [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ?? [1]
Hi Jeff, >I think the term "non-paternal event" is misleading, I think it should >be more accurate in describing what is meant. >?How about "Extra-genealogical event" denoting an occurrence from >outside normal genealogy? Or a "paternal lineage incursion"? >"Undocumented paternal event" (Gee should we sent them all back?)? >Seriously we need a better lexicon Seriously, you need to take your campaign somewhere where people who make these decisions congregate! Talking about this here is a waste of t
12. Re: [R-M222] [DNA-R1B1C7] New SNPs refine position of M222 in the Ychromosome tree [1]
Hi Bernard Whilst I can see that population growth can plausibly be a function of land fertility, what worries me is that the very first M222+ was the child of an L21. In other words, he was of the same social make-up, from the same geographical area and was quite likely to have had L21 siblings, cousins and other relatives. Also, prolific breeding by one grouping seems unlikely to lead in itself to the extinction of another (initially far more populous) group. It would make more sense to me would be if,
13. [R-M222] Testing new List Prepend [1]
And this is the first message using the new [R-M222] prepend in the subject line for posts to this list. If you do not understand what this message means, please check your email for the immediately preceding message from me. David Wilson
14. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ??? [1]
Hi John They are obviously not R1b1c7. You claimed in an earlier posting that you had never seen Lamont DNA that was R1b1c7. You made this claim notwithstanding the fact that I pointed out Lamont 94014 to you in an e-mail some six months ago. You even acknowledged receipt of my e-mail by replying to it. My point is that you have indeed seen Lamont DNA that is R1b1c7. What's yours? Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Beh
15. [R-M222] Unsubscribing [1]
Will Doherty wrote: > Will we see intolerance and hatred triumph? > > Or will an understanding of basic human rights arrive here as well > as in the growing number of European countries where marriages > are no longer restricted by the gender of those getting married? > > Interesting to see who are our genetic bedfellows... > > Peace, > > Will Doherty > I see. The majority of the VOTERS voted one way, were over-ridden by 4 radical activist judges in San Francisco, and that makes us "intolerant" of "B
16. [R-M222] FTDNA Haplotree Page [1]
In the new FTDNA Haplotree pages, I find I have 16 exact matches including 5 in Scotland (I am M222+). I was aware of one only, my cousin, at 37 markers. Can anyone tell me how many markers are being matched at this page? David Grierson
17. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ?? [1]
Sandy Paterson wrote: > Hi Jeff > > I think "extra marital conception" (EMC) would seem to describe such events > accurately but you can bet your bottom dollar some pedant will object. > > Like you, I am descended from such a line, although in my case it was my > father's grandfather who was the first outcome of the extra marital union. > > But here's a coincidence for you : Family lore has it that my great > grandfather was one Stuart Lamont. The closest DNA match over 67 markers > that I've been able to f
18. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Dubious Paternity descriptions [1]
Don't forget that a man can end up with a surname not belonging to his biological father in many ways that do not involve any extra-marital affairs, so we don't want to choose a term that implies such. I am sure this is not a complete list, but for starters: One can be adopted, formally or informally, and take the name of the adoptive father and/or mother. One can choose or be assigned a new surname for a host of reasons, ranging from running from the law to moving from one culture into another that has di
19. [DNA-R1B1C7] Dubious Paternity descriptions [1]
from Tony O'Shaughnessy Re R1b1c7 The correspondence in referring to "Non Paternity Event" terminology indicates scope for a bit of fun as well as a search for a more logical description. The invention of a suitable substitute would be of benefit to all involved in Genealogical discussion. "Extra Marital" (EM) could be used, however Extra Marital Affairs or Sex do not necessarily lead to Paternity. How about "Irregular Paternity" (IP) or "Irregular Paternity Event or Intrusion" (IPE or IPI). More suggesti
20. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ??? [1]
In a message dated 10/1/2008 8:01:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bernardmorgan@hotmail.com writes:
21. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ??? [1]
In a message dated 10/3/2008 7:34:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dunbardna@gmail.com writes: Hi John, One question concerning your post below: What is the haplogroup for the "main group of O'Neills who are not R1b1c7? If not known, will they get SNP tested to find out their exact haplogroup? Thank you, Debra As far as I know it's just mainline R1b or whatever the new designation is. Ed O'Neill spent a lot of time trying to contact current O'Neill chieftains for a DNA test. I think one of th
22. Re: [R-M222] [DNA-R1B1C7] Finding New SNPS (WAS: New SNPs refine position of M222 in the Ychromosome tree) [1]
Hi David, This is all exciting news. Can you tell us where Thomas Krahn made this announcement? Another list? If we are SNP confirmed as +M222 will we need the L21 SNP test when FTDNA makes it available? Connie McKenzie --- On Fri, 10/17/08, David Wilson wrote: From: David Wilson Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Finding New SNPS (WAS: New SNPs refine position of M222 in the Ychromosome tree) To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 12:00 PM These SNPs emerged
23. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] test [1]
That worked. I had tried to post to this list a couple times late last week and if my message made it I never got the digest with it in it. Does anyone know if rootsweb was having problems? Steve Ewing >testing > >This is Nial come in Steve. > >On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Steven Ewing wrote: > testing >> >> Steve Ewing
24. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Dubious Paternity descriptions [1]
John McLaughlin asks, "Would you accept the idea of [the Ui Neill] being a "majority" of R1b1c7?" I think he means to ask whether I would accept that a majority of the Ui Neill were R1b1c7, but I suppose it is also a reasonable question to ask whether a majority of R1b1c7 folks today have paternal line descent from the Ui Neill. The short answer to the first parsing of the question is, "sure, probably so." A longer answer would require some caveats; for example, it is at least theoretically possible that a
25. [R-M222] M222, and what can make it so regional? [1]
If I understand this, a group of individuals (probably starting with one, or a few) had a mutation that became persistent in his down line, and those changes are now known as M222. Somehow, through either mating choices, domination or through a trait which enabled "survival of the fittest" in certain localities that trait is now dominant, and the other traits (possibly the root stock as well) have been superseded. I can see this happening in "island" populations which are isolated from incursions,
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