Hi Jeff
Sorry I'm not the author of any report nor do I subscribe to it, I'm only
the messenger If people would check out the web site they would see it's only
food for thought ...Only during war time do people shoot the messenger.
Gerald
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GAshley923@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Jeff
> Sorry I'm not the author of any report nor do I subscribe to it, I'm only
> the messenger If people would check out the web site they would see it's only
> food for thought ...Only during war time do people shoot the messenger.
> Gerald
>
>
I don't mean to shoot the messenger, it just seems unreasonable to go
1500-1700 tears with no changes whatsoever in the Y-chromosome.
It could have changed MANY times in that much time.
--
Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG
~~
Could be! According to MacLysaght, my surname, Muckian, is the
anglicization of C3 Mochaidhean, a leading sept from Cremorne in Co
Monaghan inmedieval times.
In O'Dugan's Topographical Poems (The Topographical Poems of John
O'Dubhagain and Giolla Na Naomh O'Duidhrin, edited by John O'Donovan,
1862), there is a reference to "O'Mochoidhein, king of Mughdhorna",
and this is possibly the family earlier referred to as UC- MachainC)in
in the Annals of Ulster. The Annals of the Four Masters mention
Oissine ua Mac
I'm the coordinator of the Flanagan project. One line of Flanagans descends from Niall, but another line - the Connachta lineage descend from his brother Brien. Our one exact match for the Trinity data (within those markers in FTDNA's 25 marker test that were also tested by Trinity) is from Ballymoe in Connacht. My own feeling is that it date back at least to Conn if not still earlier,....
Grace
--
Granuaile Lythande O'Flanagan
granuaile1954@yahoo.com
WWGO'MD - What would Grace O'Malley do?
Webpage: h
_The Origins of Heraldry by J.D. Williams_
(http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/herald.htm)
HERALDIC COLOURS
Heraldry in its origin and purpose was a visual art. Its main tinctures or
colours were gules or red, symbol of martial fortitude and magnanimity; azure
or blue, symbol of loyalty and truth; sable or black, symbol of constancy and
grief; vert or green, symbol of hope and joy and purpose or purple, symbol
of royalty and justice. The chief metals used were or (gold), depi
Evan though I am in the dark about all the codes and number etc, I have seen
results from my tests. I have had several exact matches with members of the
Dunbar Clan project here in the states. Matching with one person who was to
sure about his paper trail information. This project is mostly those Dunbar's
connecting back to Scotland. I have not had much feed back from any
Dunbar's that may be Ulster Irish, which I know my first Dunbar ancestors to come
and settle in Penn here in the s
http://www.northern-scot.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/2921/Moray's_ancient_mystery_about_to_be_revealed.html
Moray's ancient mystery about to be revealed
By Fiona McPherson
Published: 21 September, 2007
A DNA sample is to be requested from men in a Moray village to solve a
mystery dating back thousands of years.
Tests on the genetic make-up of volunteers laster this month will help
investigators build up a picture of the origins of the Scots.
The results will be the focus of a research project using ge
I'm not the author of this publication .Respectively everyone who reads it
will form their own opinion. What makes R1B1C7 so exiting it is allegedly
connected to a real person and thousands of articles and web sites pertaining to
him .The fertile man raises more questions than answers.
Gerarld
_High King Niall: the most fertile man in Ireland_
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/newspapers/sunday_times/ireland/article788652.ece)
Powerful men in medieval Ireland had many wives and children. Div
Hi folks,
Actually there's a lot of very old nonsense available on the Internet and in old books that are reprinted and in some cases burnt into CDs on this topic. It marries well with old prejudices and new. However the Scotch Irish Society, which is a scholarly organization, has several members who have spent considerable time and effort researching the subject. These people actually access primary source material (not old refurbished and possibly nonsensical stuff).
They hold a biannual symposium. It's a
Excerpt from here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/science/06brits.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
Britain and Ireland are so thoroughly divided in their histories that there
is no single word to refer to the inhabitants of both islands. Historians
teach that they are mostly descended from different peoples: the Irish from
the Celts and the English from the Anglo-Saxons who invaded from northern
Europe and drove the Celts to the country's western and northern fringes.
But geneticists who have tested
DNA
The map is a a great tool for me and if the RIBIC7 members actually do
carry the Genetic footprint of Legendary O Neill(Ua Niill it becomes a part of
our heritage and genealogical past. Some of us find Gaelic mythology
interesting .Crunching the DNA numbers of the living descendents is more interesting
to others .The geographic map paints a interesting picture for the laymen
like me.
Gerard
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Steven Lominac wrote:
> I was also under the impression that Irish who had been in America for some time called themselves Scotch Irish to differentiate themselves from the boatloads of Irish immigrants who came in the wake of the potato famine and were not greeted warmly in many quarters. Thanks for the info.
I believe that was "Scots-Irish" I know a lot of Scots who get beet red
over being called "Scotch" like the Tape, or the Liquor.
--
Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG
~~
Blacksheep Ancestors in your Fam
The Crowned Rampant lion on the Shield Below the Crest belonging to Robert
Ashley of Lowesby, Leicestershire,of Lowesby, Leicestershire, England in the
Family Association; Is the Standard Of the Tribe of Judah The Olive
branches represent the olive branches of peace by name of Ashley and any other
Rampant Lion Representing the Name Ashley
This Irish Lion and was the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, introduced into
Ireland by the Prophet Jeremiah at the same time that the Stone from the East a
Hi Mitch
Although I am quite happy with the 'Big Picture' evolving from all this
research,and it is very interesting,I find that I'm getting lost in results
and opinions expressed.
I had high hopes of finding some close matches with paper trails that could
result in expanding my research in Ireland,but this has never happened so
far..and I doubt that it ever will.
The technology has me confused,to say the least.I don't understand it well
enough to follow the very intricate details proving or disprovi
_History of the Clan MacLachlan_
(http://www.gilcrist.com/ClanSite/maclachlanhistory.htm)
Tradition states that one of the sons of O'Neill went to Scotland in the
early 1100s and married a princess from Norway. Their first son was named
Lachlan, so the mother could remember her homeland of Norway, the Land of Lochs, or
Lach lan. One of their grandsons, Anrothan, married a Scottish princess from
Cowal, an area in western Scotland. (She was the daughter of either the King
of Scots, or possibly
I was wondering how many of the forum members are taking part in surname projects, especially those of us whose names were not among those used in the Trinity study. If R1b1c7/M222+ is truly older than the Ui Neill it should show up among the other children of Conn too.
Alan,
I'm not sure we can take this line of speculation very far with three
haplogroups/clades showing. For instance, that single R1b might be the
Scots line. Also, are they genuine haplogroups, or just the rough
estimates of the FTDNA computer? As an example, nearly half of the
Greers tested, or estimated, are said to be Scandinavian, and they have
similar haplotypes, suggesting an incursion (probably in Ireland) by a
Viking family, with a bit of friendly rape and pillage. But that doesn't
make the
A note of caution: The referenced newspaper story is over a year and a half old. It was written immediately after the release of the Trinity College Dublin study that connected the R1b1c7 group (which still had no haplogroup designation at that time) to the semi-legendary Niall of the Nine Hostages. Thus the article is an attempt to popularize a first set of preliminary conclusions based on a more limited data base than what is available to us now.
The article makes it sound as though ALL R1b1c7 are Niall
Scholars, self-proclaimed or otherwise, recognize that general statements are open to exceptions; that's why they say things like "Scotch-Irish primarily designates ...." instead of "Scotch-Irish means ..."
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From: Nextdill@aol.com
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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Where we got the name "Scotch-Irish"
This might come as a surprise to some sel
This might come as a surprise to some self proclaimed scholars, but not all
of the Scots-Irish were from the Appalachian Mountains.
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DYS448 = 18 is the norm for NW Irish M222+
I don't know what the Leinster or NE cluster are. Do they have DYS437 = 14
by any chance? There is a clade 14,18 at 437,448
Ken
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Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] Marker 448
> Does anyone know if there is any special significance to DYS448?
> Looking at my project haplotypes today, I noticed that all 17 members of
> my Northwest Clus
GAshley923@aol.com wrote:
>
> _DNA_ (http://www.donnachaidhinternational.com/dnaproject.htm)
> NIALL OF THE NINE HOSTAGES
> Clan Donnachaidh's DNA project is beginning to reveal some interesting
> trends. Although, predictably, tests results prove that most of our ancestors came
> to Scotland in ancient times over the land bridge from western Europe before
> the sea claimed it, the tests also indicate that a few Vikings found their
> way into what is now Perthshire, our ancestral lands. The
By Kevin B. McLachlan & G. Bruce McLachlan
_A Short History of the Scots in Ireland_
(http://www.gilcrist.com/ClanSite/scotsinireland.htm)
A look at the history of Ireland finds Scottish people among the early
inhabitants of northern Ireland. Some came by direct appointment, others came by
choice. England was seeking to exert a greater influence upon the people of
Ireland, and, because of the failed attempt to establish a colony at Darien
(Panama), the English sought to try agai