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1. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ??? [1]
In a message dated 9/30/2008 9:28:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, lmerle@comcast.net writes: The O'Neill one is a NPE -- Non Paternity Event. It is believed, though these opinions change very frequently, the event occurred in the 1500s. There well may be multiples. The descent of Hugh O'Neill is not exactly pristine. Many believe he is the grandson of a blacksmith. His grandmother was married to this man but claimed that the father of her son was O'Neill and managed to convince others. Her abi
2. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 101 [1]
In a message dated 9/26/2008 2:00:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com writes: There are no "proclivities" of Y-DNA haplogroups. The markers that determine haplogroups and haplotypes find NO EXPRESSION in the phenotype, they do not code for proteins, they do not mark ethnic groups, and they do not support crack-pot theories of the Israelites settling Britain. Give it a rest. David Ewing Yair David is correct If you are only preaching on a scientific platform . But mos
3. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions?? [1]
Yair: The list has morphed into another numerical on the classification chart. There is no more chatter since r1b1c7 was re-named-- barely any prose -- except your latest inquiry. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:24 PM, yair wrote: > Is this list still active? > What is r1b1c7 called at present? > How does dna-r1b1c7 fit in with other haplotypes? > i.e. are there any known near relations? > anomalies in the family tree? etc. > In the past some said they preferred to see this list as an
4. [DNA-R1B1C7] Y-dna and warfare [1]
The romantic notion that a particular Y-dna profile indicates some cultural unity fails when considering that the de facto secondary purpose of invading armies seems to be to rape, burn and pillage. Consider modern-day Indochina: will the future generation descendants of the children fathered by American soldiers who were r1b1c7 be Irish? Consider the future descendants of children born in post WW II Europe: will they be Irish, or will they be Slavs, Frenchmen, Germans, or Irish? Why would anyone expect
5. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions?? [1]
John, I think I agree with you. My knowledge about haplogroups is minute compared with other scientists but if this were the true Ui Neill line shouldn't this database be heavily populated with all variations of the Neill surname? As it stands there are only 4 out of 435 in this haplogroup project and very few show up at Ysearch when compared with the M222+ haplotype. If someone can help me understand my observation, I'd really appreciate it. Debra Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions?? To: dna-r1b1c7@r
6. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions?? [1]
In a message dated 9/25/2008 8:56:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, davidewing93@gmail.com writes: Your question about "tribe" and "ethnic sub-division" has been repeatedly and clearly answered many times. Y-DNA gives zero information about ethnicity or tribe. Hello, David. I have to disagree a little with this statement. Is there such a thing as a "tribe" and if so can a "tribe" be identified by Y-DNA? It depends on your definition of tribe. I don't think "tribe" and "ethnic group" are one
7. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions?? [1]
David, I do not think all R1b1c7 are Ui Neill or Connachta. I have to admit up front that I'm still an O'Rahilly fanatic not quite ready to buy into the prevaling wisdom that R1b1c7 originated in NW Ireland. As everyone on this list probably knows O'Rahilly claimed the northern goidels (by whom he meant the Connachta and their later offshoot, the Ui Neill) were latecomers to Ireland arriving no earlier than about 50 BC. One of his major arguments centered on Ptolemy's map of Ireland where he
8. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions?? [1]
In a message dated 9/27/2008 7:54:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dunbardna@gmail.com writes: John, I think I agree with you. My knowledge about haplogroups is minute compared with other scientists but if this were the true Ui Neill line shouldn't this database be heavily populated with all variations of the Neill surname? As it stands there are only 4 out of 435 in this haplogroup project and very few show up at Ysearch when compared with the M222+ haplotype. If someone can help me understand my
9. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions?? [1]
Marie Kerr's point that one is apt to find Y-DNA haplogroups disproportionately represented within ethnic groups and to find Y-DNA haplotype clusters disproportionately represented within families is well taken. The point I was trying to make is that this information is NOT contained in the Y-chromosome, but depends on other sorts of research. I wish I could give you a reference on a very interesting story I read a few years ago about a couple of crusty Scots neighbors on one of the Western Isles, all of w
10. [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions?? [1]
Is this list still active? What is r1b1c7 called at present? How does dna-r1b1c7 fit in with other haplotypes? i.e. are there any known near relations? anomalies in the family tree? etc. In the past some said they preferred to see this list as an adjunct to genealogical inquiries? Fair enough. On the other hand there were those who seemed to object to treating dna-r1b1c7 as a kind of tribe or ethnic sub-division. Why is this? What are DNA studies, DNA haplogroups and haplotypes if not ethnic studies? Are
11. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ??? [1]
In a message dated 9/29/2008 10:38:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dunbardna@gmail.com writes: John, Thank you for the explanation. Everything I'd read about the Trinity study panned out except for the claim about the O'Neil's. That one really had me confused since my observations told me differently. Thanks again, Debra Here's what sparked my own interest in the O'Neill DNA. "(Ob
12. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ??? [1]
Hi Debra, the problem with the O'Neill lineage is frequently discussed in forums like the genealogy-DNA one. There are a number of very knowledgeable people there both in regards to genetics and genealogy. Unfortunately as there was no way to be sure of paternity before DNA testing, there are plenty of incidents of strange anomalies. The O'Neill one is a NPE -- Non Paternity Event. It is believed, though these opinions change very frequently, the event occurred in the 1500s. There well may be multiples. Th
13. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions?? [1]
I have to respectfully disagree--to a point. For one, ethnicity (I suppose you can debate even the meaning of that word) can be inferred when comparing individuals who were raised within a specific geographic area. And if I match someone at the 67th marker level, then a close relationship (within several generations according to FamilyTree DNA) can be inferred. And if, like my father, a 1st generation Irish-American from a very small town in County Mayo, you know you have family still living there, you wi
14. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions?? [1]
Yair: The list is alive, but not very active. R1b1b2e is the new name of R1b1c7, but the name of the list has not been changed. To see how R1b1b2e fits in with other haplotypes, have a look at the new Y-Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree, which is available on the FTDNA website, among other places. Here is a link to a pdf of the chart: * http://tinyurl.com/4qjjs9* I don't know what you mean by "anomalies in the family tree." It is what it is. Yes, this list is primarily focused on genetic genealogy. Your qu
15. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 100 [1]
What is the name of the new list? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:00 AM Subject: DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 100 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Questions?? (Thomas Tucker) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:32:38 -0400 > From: "Thomas Tucker" > Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions?? > To:
16. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ??? [1]
John, Thank you for the explanation. Everything I'd read about the Trinity study panned out except for the claim about the O'Neil's. That one really had me confused since my observations told me differently. Thanks again, Debra -- Debra Dunbar Nowell  Administrator - Dunbar Surname YDNA Project http://www.dunbardna.org/
17. Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ??? [1]
I think the term "non-paternal event" is misleading, I think it should be more accurate in describing what is meant. How about "Extra-genealogical event" denoting an occurrence from outside normal genealogy? Or a "paternal lineage incursion"? "Undocumented paternal event" (Gee should we sent them all back?)? Seriously we need a better lexicon Jeff. lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > Hi Debra, the problem with the O'Neill lineage is frequently discussed in forums like the genealogy-DNA one. There are a nu
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