Alan Bond Wilson, abwilson@uclink2.berkeley.edu wrote :
> One line from Helen of Galloway to Charlemagne is as follows:
>
>1. Charlemagne King (2 Apr 747 - 28 Jan 814)
(Snip)
>18. Helen de GALLOWAY (Circa 1196 - After 21 Nov 1245)
> & Roger de QUINCY of Winchester Earl (Circa 1174 - 25 Apr 1264)
>
> This entire line can be traced, albeit circuitously, in
>Weis, Ancestral Roots, which is often referred to gen.medieval.
>Following Weis's line numbers by the generation numbers use
I have been lurking for some time now, reading the messages posted
with great interest, particularly the recent posts on the DE QUINCY
family.
I too have a connection to this family through an Emerson ancestor who
married my Mercer great-great grandfather and was herself descended
from the Rev Joseph Emerson and Elizabeth Bulkely, who according to a
chart prepared by Eleanor Pratt Covington McSwain, was descended from
Charlemagne.
According to the information I have gathered so far HELEN OF GALLOWAY
was t
Tom:
At 10:58 PM 1/3/96 +0300, you wrote:
>My mind generally marches behind some distant drummer going in a different
>direction than the main parade. I ponder, for example, why would anyone
>bother to invent a legend about some old-timer named Coel? Where did they
>come up with the name, for instance?
I believe the name is recorded on some ancient stone monuments, and we have
very little _besides_ the name. He was probably the last Dux and the first
High King of Britain's Dark Age, and some eight dynas
margaret complains that messages such as Salem records and the wife
of Ben Franklin do not properly belong to a Medieval group. When both
subjects relate to a genealogy record that dates to 1060 in a continous
line, it would seem that the "trickle down" down effect holds. If wrong,
sorry about that!
RWB
Paul Halsall wrote:
>I fail to see how killing people qualifies you as history professor.
>
>Perhaps it gives you greater insight into military history; but then
>does that mean "convicted felon" professors are needed to write the
>history of crime; or "adulterer professors" to write the history
>of courtly love [this is NOT a slur on CS Lewis!].
>
>Or perhaps "commando professors" give a nice touch of butch to
>what might appear to outsiders as a rather nelly profession?
>
>Paul "not killed anyone yet" Ha
I have been trying for weeks to get an "INDEX" of previous postings with no
luck. Also have used GET GEN-MEDIEVAL LOGXXXXX for month, year, and week with
the same results. These have been sent to:
LISTSERV@mail.eworld.com
Any help?
Thanks,
John
A Charles Taplady is listed as taking a Michel Desloges as an indentured
servant in Isle of Wight Va 1663 for 4 years. Michel was a tailor, so
perhaps Taplady had a tailoring business. Michel arrived from Bristol
England and later changed his name to Deloach. Any info on Taplady may
lead to discovering more about my ancestor Michel Desloges. Thanks.
John Wolcott wrote:
>
>
> >Thanks for your help, but this is not the case, as the paper explicity
states that he was a "Comendador" of the Order of Crist, and thereafter
was given the Title of Prince.
Regards
Jose
--
In article ,
"R. Leutner" wrote:
> Tom,
>I have to quiver a little before adding Coel Hen to my otherwise
> totally reliable descents from Constantine the Great. ;)
Coel, King of Colchester, is a purported ANCESTOR or Constantine in the
line originally presented to me. He m. Strada the Fair, begat Helen of the
Cross, who mothered Constantine the Great.
I have yet to interpret, of course, all that old Latin stuff.
Richard Barney (gmsbarne@SNOWCREST.NET) wrote:
: a possibility has arisen that the name BERNEY may have origins in Scotland
: and/or Ireland....or even Norway with a different spelling. Also, there is
: some scant evidence that the name came from a town(unknown) in Normandy
: at the time of the conquest. Would appreciate any kind of clue.
: Thanks RWB
Both Woulfe and MacLysaght mention BURNEY as a variant spelling from
MacBIORNA, MacBirney - `son of Bjarni' (a Nor
At 02:18 AM 1/23/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
I note from research into my ARHCER family of Dundee and Monifieth, Angus,
that there are quite a number of birth/baptismal entries for the late 1500s
on the IGI. I wonder where these could have come from, and should I be
consulting the works listed below?
David C. Collyer
Ballarat, Australia
>You should go through the appropriate volumes of the Register of the Great
>Seal, which list abstracts of royal charters; the Register of the Privy Seal
>(royal appointments);
As I was researching in early RI records about the Harrington (Herenden)
family I found, to my surprise, a Benjamin Harrington (b. 1618; d. 1694
in Rrovidence) who (it is claimed) was son of John Harrington and Ann
Clinton, a daughter of Thomas Clinton 3rd Earl of Lincoln. Is this
another case of wishful thinking or is there any documentation to this?
More generally, is there any reliable reference as to what lines are
fabrications. The books by Weis and G. R. Roberts are helpful but have
mostly informat
>Requesting information on the Molyneux family of Lancashire.
>I have names and dob's of some, but interested in any other
>info. Thanks. Dave
The promised info from Zada Rice's book:
________________________________________________________
1. ROBERT MOLYNEUX: According to tradition, which cannot be vouched for,
he was the son of Abelard, a Spanish priest of noble family and Heloise, a
French nun. But there is to be found among the Bishops of Hereford, the
name of Robert de Meulin, Priory of
My eighty three year old sister just mentioned that her recollection
is that both sides of our maternial grandparents had some scots connection.
Brief note from anyone re: this possibility would be welcome.
RWB
On Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:37:37 GMT Rolf B. ULBING ulbing-film@magnet.at:
>I am looking for Information about noble families from the coast and
>the islands of Dalmatia now Croatia.
>KOTROMAN or KOTROMANICH
I descend from Wladyslaw KOTROMANICZ, the regent of Bosnia; his
daughter Maria (+27 IV 1403) married Ulryk V de HELFENSTEIN;
I don't know any earlier ancestors of this Maria. regards! -
Kaj de Malachowo Malachowski, kajm@plearn.bitnet, kajm@plearn.edu.pl,
Miklaszewskiego 14/13, 02-776 Warszawa
In article <9601031645.A11192@smtplink.tiernan.com>, Chris Bennett
wrote:
> Mr Turner has evidently given these matters a very great deal of thought...
This is the problem, of course, with many current interpretations of
history: mere "thought."
> His view is that "King Coel" . . . He accepts that the descents are not
founded.
And this, I believe, is where we must end up with this particular
individual. We eventually will have before us everything remotely close to
factual that wa
Jim Stevens wrote:
>ADELA, the sister of William the Conquerer married three times. I am
>having difficulty pinning down the identity of the third husband - a count
>of Champagne. Cokayne says Eudes II, but others say his son, Stephen II.
>
>Can anyone help ?
The sister of William the Conqueror is usually called Adeliza or
Adelaide. She married Enguerrand, Lambert and Eudes (or Odo) of
Champagne. For example, in the chart given by David Douglas in
his book *William the Conqueror* (1964), the names Ade
In article Bob
Manwaring writes:
>From: Bob Manwaring
>Subject: BARTOLF, Hungarian nobleman.
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 22:24:43 -0600
>Looking for parentage/birthplace of Hungarian nobleman, BARTOLF c.
>1040-1121 who accompanied Queen Agatha out of Germany/Hungary when Edward
>the Exile was brought back to the English court. Bartolf later became
>chamberlain to their daughter Margaret, Queen of Scotla
GEN-MEDIEVAL@MAIL.EWORLD.COM
I am aware this is the incorrect way to do this, but unfortunately
my system crashed due to Anti EXE, Anti CMOS, & a nasty member of
the stealth family on Nov 29. I have lost all my data, which
includes my files for this list & its instructions.
Please excuse this inconvience. But, my mail box was very very
full when I came online & this has actually caused some more
damage.... HELP. So I will need to say good bye for a while & fix
this mess I have.
I am still very intere
I see that you are researching Wintermute's.
I am also working on this family. My branch settled in Stillwater NJ in
1736. Original settler was Johan Geo Wintemuth.
Does this match up to your branch?
Regards,
D Wells
dwells@nyx.net
I have been recently looking through documents and writings about the time
frame of 1150 to 1300 for three generations as follows:
Gutierre Rodriguez
Rodrigo Gutierrez
Gutierre Rodroguez
My information placed them at a particular battle but no luck.
I found in the book "Nobleza del Andalvzia" by Gonzalo Argote de Molina, 1588
a reference to participants in the same battle as:
Gutierre Ruyz
Rodrigo Gutierrez
Gutierre Ruyz
as father, son, grandson (padre, hijo, nieto)
Coincidence?
Recently read a refer
Tom --
You may be interested in a 2-volume book I am currently reading called "The
REAL King Arthur" by P F J Turner, a lawyer in Anchorage who apparently studies
Arthurian themes in his spare time. Its a reconstruction of the history of 5th
& 6th century Britain, heavily based on the theories of John Morris, Geoffrey
Ashe etc., and with a clear awareness of current archaeology. Mr Turner takes
the view that Geoffrey of Monmouth should be treated seriously, as a medieval
historian with access to older ge
This family was fairly obscure, so I don't expect responses, but, anyway...
Nicholas de Fallowfield acquired the lands of Great Strickland, parish of
Morland, Westmorland, prior to 1417. He or another Fallowfield must have been
heirs of Robert de Strickland, who held the land in 1365.
The Fallowfield family held Great Strickland until the late 17th century.
Another old Westmorland family I'm interested in is WYBERGH, which held
Clifton Hall from the 14th century to the 20th. Geoffrey LANCASTER, of Crak