How about other descendants from the all-male line (your remote cousins,
e.g.)? Do you know any descendants of your gr-gr-grandfather from the all
male line?
I think determining much about him from your DNA will be very unlikely.
Cheers,
Gregg
A picture of my gr-gr-grandfather, the father of my paternal
gr-grandmother,
looks very much like a Native American. I have no male siblings and my
father and his brother are deceased. Is there any way that I can prove
or
disprove his Native American ancest
In a message dated 2/2/2001 7:52:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gnassau@mindspring.com writes:
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Hey, Wanda, I am with you 100% in wanting to know for myself.
That wasn't what I meant. I wouldn't want to be in the position of
telling someone they didn't have the same father as the their
brothers and sisters.
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Mike brings up an excellent point. I would guess most of us on this list want
to know -- but we're a self-selected group! We do need to keep in mind that
any testing
In a message dated 2/27/2001 2:11:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,
richardpence@pipeline.com writes about my comment in the "Questions from the
ignorant" thread:
> > Oh, absolutely. But on the other hand, it may be the ONLY
> > record you have of women who leave no written
> documentation
> > of their lives!
>
> That response seems to carry with it the implication that
> MtDNA can somehow specifically identify these women and I
> doubt this is so. Have I missed something (again)?
>
No, I don't believe th
Other factors can, of course, be at play in career choices. Chief among
them would be parents pushing their offspring to follow in their academic
and professional footsteps or to work at their companies and businesses.
What I referred to, however, was discovering that people whom I did not even
know I was related to, who lived hundreds of years ago, were members of a
particular type of profession/field.
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From: Pamela Berger
...The special abiliti
In a message dated 2/21/2001 6:44:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Ellijaynan@aol.com writes:
> Thanks. Here's a little more grist for the genetic mill. How do you track
> your mother's paternal grandmother. Does her mtDNA get passed through her
> son to my mother?
Both male and female children have their mother's mtDNA, but only the female
children will pass it on to their children. Mitochondria are little
structures responsible for many reactions in metabolism, and they are found
in the body of th
Thanks Gregg, Terry, William and Ralph,
But Ralph, your statement has left me a bit confused. You said ....
"The infidelity wouldn't matter (I think DNA may 'like' infidelity) as long
as the male line wasn't broken. :)"
If infidelity did occur somewhere along the line, then what was perceived
as an unbroken male lineage was indeed broken by the John Doe in the barn
and the Y-chromosome, in all succeeding generations, would be that of John
Doe. How can the male line be unbroken if an infidelity did occu
Ann- That link did not work for me.
How far do you think genetic research would need to progress before this kind of
testing would be possible, that which would not have to follow the pure male or
female line. It would be interesting to test a group such as descendants of
Charlemagne or some other diverse but finite group with long roots and see what
(if any) DNA is still shared among those living today after 40 or 50 generations.
Do you think it is possible to eventually not be related to an actual ances
Lori wrote:
> But what about particular talents, such as musical
ability? My
> grandmother and her siblings and generations older than
she
> all played by ear. This talent skipped my mother's
generation
> and my generation but my oldest son has the ability.
There is an old vaudeville routine that goes like this:
"He plays the piano by ear."
"What happened to his hands?"
In the absence of a whole bunch of people without hands, I
would think that "playing by ear" is a bit more compl
In a message dated 2/26/2001 11:45:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
alan@savin.org writes:
> I have not come across any
> scientific peer reviewed scientific journal paper on this case that can be
> consulted. Was it Prof. Sykes who did the tests ? If so I can ask him the
> next time I see him.
>
Yes, it was Sykes, and I've also looked for an article in the scientific
literature without any success. I'd be interested in knowing what the
sequence was.
Ann Turner
Ralph Turner wrote:
> > Lets keep in mind in these mathematical ruminations that
most of all our DNA is shared. Even with Chimpanzees. This
has recently been supported by finding fewer genes than some
expected in the genome. It is in the small part of the DNA
that can vary that we are looking for the differences and in
the 'nonfunctioning' parts that may contain 'markers' that
indicate that we are from slightly different strains of
people. Since these markers are non-functioning
Wanda, what is FMF, if this is not too personal. A genetic problem?
Wanda Shepherd wrote:
> Hey,
> I know that, but research will. That is what I was getting at.
> Putting all Eastern Ky. lines together and doing a cross reference. That
> is what I am planning. The reason I want DNA is because I think I have a
> form of FMF. Confusion reigns sometimes and i may not make my thoughts
> clear enough to be understood. Wanda
>
> "Richard A. Pence" wrote:
>
> > From: "Wanda Shepherd" w
I like your pie chart. I may be wrong but it would seem
to me that this oversimplifies the matter to the point of
misrepresentation, at best to introducing error, at worst.
How about mutagenesis, random combinations, etc, etc?
YES, it can happen this way, but is genetics that simple
I THINK NOT.
Helen
RLSteadham@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> Since I am more of a visual, rather than word person, I decided to make a pie
> chart to more easily see and comprehend one of the concepts being talked
I think that is pretty much exactly what it tells you.
I will not go into the trickier stuff, but in general you could find out
(from mtDNA) that your mom's mom's mom's (etc.) and some other person's
mom's mom's mom's (etc.) were the same person. Now it may be that your
common ancestor lived 200 years ago, or maybe 15,000 years ago. I think the
muatation rate/calibration issue is addressed at varying degrees of
precision dependent on sample size. For example, if n=2 (it is just you and
the other person), t
In a message dated 2/19/2001 6:47:00 AM Pacific Standard Time,
hgdonald@leo.infi.net writes:
> Back to the question of dominant and recessvie: is
> it not true that dominant and recessive are not as
> clear-cut as usually explained in General Biology
> classes, and ordinarily, only biology majors
> tackle Genetics.
>
That's for sure -- in fact, NOTHING is as clear-cut as usually explained .
There's the concept of penetrance, for example -- whether or not the genetic
trait is actually expressed ma
Hi Paulette,
The answer is very simple, everyone carries genes from both sides his/her
father and mother, the DNA from motherside is the so called mitochondrial
DNA and when you have found the tissues for research and matching the proper
parts DNA you eventually can find your ancestorial grandmothers. You only
need the comparable points. For instance the most Western Europeans are
descending from Charlemagne 'Carl the Great' and especialy his genes are
mainly continued by daughterlines. Carl has at least (b
I am thinking I may do some rflp analysis of my own on samples from
individuals who are no longer with us. This requires extractions from hair
and bone. The sperm and blood-derived groups would be control groups.
And to revisit inherited characteristics, I would just like to posit that
physical characteristics (which are inherited) include the way the brain is
wired. How much of a poly-A tail is made on your mRNA for dopamine receptor
in your nucleus accumbens, etc. Musical ability is partly about thinking
Hi,
Sorry I can't agree with you. Those that don't want to know, can make a
decision. Personally, I have felt 'different ' all my life, even look different
than the rest of my family. I WANT to know who my family is or why do the gen.
at all? My mother wanted to "let sleeping dogs lie" and now I don't know who my
father is when I need the medical knowledge the most. What then? Medical
background can mean a lot in a life or death situation. It's just my
opinion......Wanda
Mike and Gloria Nassau wrote:
>
In a message dated 2/21/01 11:14:47 PM, richardpence@pipeline.com writes:
<>
Maybe in a single pie chart as I have rendered it, it would be better to say
"Average percentage of DNA received from any "one" an
> Thanks for a good explanation Terry. I think some of this stuff
> is starting
> to sink in!
>
> It seems like I remember reading somewhere that by the time one
> gets back to
> their 7th, 8th, 9th generations and earlier, almost all of the
> DNA from these
> generations has undergone so much reshuffling and such, that it is
> essentially lost, or at least suppressed by one's more recent
> generations.
> Would that be accurate to say?
Hmm. As I was the one that started of the looking like your gggg paren
OOPS ! Sorry !
Shame on me! Just realized that my first phrase in the message below may
erroneously suggest that I thought that Alan Savin hadn't read the article!
:-((
What I intended to do was to inform the link, so that those who hadn't
read - or hadn't saved - the article (it was published 4 years ago) could
read or re-read it, and thus learn and profit even from Savin's - and other
specialists' - always interesting and informative discussions.
Virginio
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From: "Virginio M
Ron and All,
In coming weeks, as time permits, I will try to address
your specific concerns, Ron. Overall, I intended the
message simply as a "Heads Up" on translation of a
relatively new technology. I do not know of any
technology that has NOT encountered problems in this
respect, particularly in the case of those new to the
eye of the public as is Genetic Genealogy.
This was NOT intended to be critical of any one source
of info, but rather, a caution.
Just last week, I read a posting on a Surname
Thanks. Here's a little more grist for the genetic mill. How do you track
your mother's paternal grandmother. Does her mtDNA get passed through her
son to my mother?
Nancy