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- 1. [DNA] PubMed abstract: Y haplogroup R1a1 in India 
- J Hum Genet. 2009 Jan;54(1):47-55. Epub 2009 Jan 9.
The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1* substantiates the
autochthonous origin of Brahmins and the caste system.
Sharma S, Rai E, Sharma P, Jena M, Singh S, Darvishi K, Bhat AK, Bhanwer
AJ, Tiwari PK, Bamezai RN.
National Centre of Applied Human Genetics, School of Life Sciences,
Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi, India.
Many major rival models of the origin of the Hindu caste system co-exist
despite extensive studies, each with associa
- 2. Re: [DNA] FTDNA v. ISOGG R1b haplotree comparison updated 
- On 2/19/2010 4:46 PM, Irish III DNA wrote:
> My copy of Trinity data has 1125 haplotypes and NO O'Loughlins?
Hmmm indeed. Read the article. It it lists 5 O'Loughlin samples. If
I'm not mistaken they released a small spreadsheet of just a handful of
samples with their Munster article. I might have a copy. I think you
are looking at their main spreadsheet which indeed has no O'Loughlin
- 3. Re: [DNA] Hello Mr. Krahn 
- Hi Thomas,
Thanks for your helpful explanation about L222.2. Technically it was
excellent, but unavoidably it may add to the controversy about the use
of this marker to divide L147+, which as admin of the J haplogroup
project, I hear about often. Sometimes the L222.2 results may not be
what was expected according to traditional genealogies. In genetic
genealogy we are used to dealing with the repercussions of this conflict
when the SNPs are reliable, but as you can imagine it can become more
- 4. Re: [DNA] re GD vs TMRCA 
- Yes, that's the way to read it.
On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Sandy Paterson wrote:
> Am I correct in my understanding that the table suggests that for a
> TMRCA of
> 12, there is about a 70% probability that the gd is 5 or less?
- 5. Re: [DNA] mtDNA X1 in Eastern Europe 
- >> Now that's intriguing. Can you be more specific about the combination of
>> mutations you have in mind Bill?
> So far, at least, everybody in the K Project with 16182C, 16183C and
> 16189C who lists a maternal ancestry, lists either Mexico, Spain, SW USA,
> or Portugal. I say Iberia because the DNA may precede country names.
> However, since none of these now lives in Iberia, there is some chance the
> mutation occurred in Mexico or the SW USA. There are 11 of these in the
> Project. The two who h
- 6. [DNA] FTDNA v. ISOGG R1b haplotree comparison updated 
- John said.....b
- 7. Re: [DNA] Family Finder Info 
- Well, the biggest difference will be in the comparative data base. My
experience at 23andMe other than with our group of avid genealogists, is
that the rest of the people who tested specifically for health traits don't
answer or if they do, they're generally not knowledgeable or interested in
their genealogy. I've become very discouraged attempting to contact matches
there. At FTDNA, the people who test are genealogists, or recruited by
genealogists, and they are interested in the same thing we are. As
- 8. Re: [DNA] GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 5, Issue 105 
- Doctor Turner,
Thank You for clarifying a number of issues.
This is a side issue. As to the Armed Services, my understanding(possibly incorrect) is that the DNA samples are also used in cases where the UCMJ has been violated. This includes establishing paternity in case of unanticipated pregnancies amongst service members.
To me the issue is that effective individual customized drug prescription, among other things, can't happen with out DNA testing. We see the very primitive start of this already at 23
- 9. [DNA] TMRCA assessments 
- Dear Anatole
You wrote to Ken:-
>When a person uses a celestial mechanics for description of movements of
planets and other celestial objects, he does not need to know when and how
those object formed, and other irrelevant (in that context) issues. The
person knows that his equations and calculations work and give him an
>When you DO know that the system is described as a first-order dataset, and
it passes the necessary verifications, you treat it as a plain system, and
the margin of erro
- 10. Re: [DNA] Variance Assessment of R:U106 DYS425Null Cluster 
- Actually, dear David, I did not want to embarrass you, but on a second though - why not?
It was not a reviewer of the paper. B It was a person who discussed my paper before it went to print. It was his example, and he objected to have it published after it turned out that the calculation gave the right TMRCA. However,B it would have been to much to explain those details in my example here, and who cares?B B So, I called the person a reviewer. Technically, he was not. B B B
What say you?
- 11. Re: [DNA] King Tutankhamun's Y-DNA - Eureka! 
- In a message dated 2/18/2010 6:41:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> The problem is that the haplotype is not just R1b, but clearly R1b1b2.
> Indeed, suspiciously so. Contamination?
Or just a random example of what a YFiler profile looks like? Pure
speculation on my part, obviously, since I can't listen to the video clip. I'm going
to have to wait for the TV show with captions to see how the segment is
- 12. Re: [DNA] Variance Assessment wrt back and parallel mutations 
- >From: Robert Stafford < email@example.com>
>The chances of having at least one parallel mutation are pretty good when
testing even a modest number of people with an ancestor 200-400 years ago.
>Using this calculation for FTDNA's 37 markers, there is about a 50:50
of having one or more parallel mutations when you have 10 mutations.
Can you please define what a "parallel mutations" is in this context? Also,
what is so important about them? Is a "parallel mutation" just
- 13. [DNA] Y STR Partial Repeats 
- I've mentioned that the distinguishing partial repeat in our Acree project (all tested by the Sorenson lab) is 13.2 at DYS385b. SMGF, in providing Marker Details within its Y-Chromosome data base, currently reports that the 13.2 value at DYS385b has been observed 29 times within 66,106 samples tested, for a frequency of 0.00044.
My understanding is that partial repeats are considered to be remarkably stable. Our project, which ties 19 of our participants to a particular early-18th-century Acree progenitor,
- 14. Re: [DNA] King Tutankhamun's Y-DNA - Eureka! 
- I think you should subtract 1 from H4 to convert Yfiler to Ysearch.
> From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:genealogy-dna-
> email@example.com] On Behalf Of Dan Draggon
> I've created a ysearch entry for Tutankhamun:
- 15. Re: [DNA] CNN article: The government has your baby's DNA 
- This issue came up recently in Texas. The decision was made by the state government to destroy all blood samples not obtained with the parents' express written consent since the collection was started in 1999. Going forward, all parents of children born in Texas now have the chance to "opt out" on the storage of their infant's blood sample; otherwise the sample will go to a state-maintained medical database, to be made available for future medical research. Essentially, the donated samples become a medic
- 16. Re: [DNA] Variance Assessment of R:U106 DYS425Null Cluster 
- >From: David Faux B
>It is never ok to publicly discuss a disagreement with the reviewer of a
peer reviewed journal.B B
Wow! Now, dear David, it IS funny. Please notice that it was not "the reviewer", but "a reviewer". I hoped you know those nuances in English language better.
Regarding your desire to calculate and speculate who it (he or she) might be, you might consider to leave it for yourself.
Anatole Klyosov B
- 17. Re: [DNA] Variance Assessment of R:U106 DYS425Null Cluster 
- It's been done over and over already.
But as a general rule, it is quite easy to throw out crackpot theories
then stand by and wait for others to prove you wrong. It is also a
common rhetorical technique, and some of us have seen it enough that
we've tired of taking the bait.
On Feb 9, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Janet Crawford wrote:
> As I said to David - prove it.
- 18. [DNA] Fw: DNA] Variance Assessment of R:U106 DYS425Null Cluster 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt"
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] DNA] Variance Assessment of R:U106 DYS425Null Cluster
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anatole Klyosov"
> If mutation counting is very mysterious to you, how can we go
> What you call mutation counting is mysterious to me. Suppose you have a
> collection of ten haplotypes of 4 STRs
> They ar
- 19. Re: [DNA] Re Clerical mutations and lab errors 
- Anders wrote:
> So could these lab errors contribute to a overestimated mutation
> rate versus Zhiv rates?
The value I gave was for errors that were apparently detected and
corrected within a period of slightly under two years. I have no
obvious way of extrapolating that to a count of undetected errors,
and so the only thing I can logically do is call that 1/800 figure
the error rate itself. Dividing by 67 to get the average per-marker
rate of 1.8e-5 shows that this is negigible compared to the measured
- 20. Re: [DNA] Call to participants in ALL geographic andhaplogroupprojects: fill in your ancestry 
- Getting back to 1830 isn't all that bad. I have a member who's adopted and
doesn't know his line beyond the name of his biological father. I consider him
to have fulfilled the requirement of supplying his line to the project, to the
extent that he knew it. In the end, once he makes a match, the other members
will likely have helped him more than he has helped them, but so be it. The
important thing is that everyone in the project supply their line as far back as
they can -- and that we continue to work
- 21. Re: [DNA] Variance Assessment wrt back and parallel mutations 
- Anatole, I understand very well that to work out actual placement of
haplotypes in a family tree requires conventional genealogy. In attempting
to do that, I discovered that parallel mutations were surprisingly common.
You told me that they were so rare as to be negligible in the time frame
that surname projects are concerned about. I asked you to show me.
You provided a tree. One third of the mutations in the first and second
branches you found were parallel mutations. I showed you this explicitly by
- 22. Re: [DNA] : low variance MRCA dates for P310 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Anatole Klyosov"
There is no reason to redefine them without a
> good (and a non-practical) reason.
[[ TMRCA is estimated for clades by average variance or GD from an assumed
Coalescence or Divergence age estimate of a clade is made from the average
tmrca of the N(N-1)/2 pairs of haplotypes of the sample collection.
The latter will be less than the former. I am sorry if the difference of
those two entities, conceptually
- 23. Re: [DNA] Family Finder Projects 
The idea is definately not a flop..in my opinion.
I would like to start a FF project and have decided the person to use, to name the project.
Bert de Guylpyn, lived in 1086 England and Normandy.
but I'm not sure how to go about it.. Do you?
My websites : http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/
- 24. Re: [DNA] King Tutankhamun's Y-DNA haplogroup 
- Robert has been working on this, but the results are very blurred in
most cases ... what a shame they are not more forthcoming with the Y
> On 2/17/2010 1:01 PM, Ken Nordtvedt wrote:
> Some sleuth should be able to stop the video and read off more of the
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Tarmn"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] King Tutankhamun's Y-DNA haplogroup
- 25. Re: [DNA] CNN article: The government has your baby's DNA. 
No solution, here, is entirely good or entirely bad. You weigh the upside
against the downside. My balance on this one comes out in favor of
fingerprinting and DNA testing.
Now if there was universal DNA testing, and they made the Y-DNA results
public, it would bring a few more hundred thousand results into my surname
Even although DNA testing is largely limited to genetic genealogists and
criminals, (according to Kens earlier post, perhaps there
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