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- 1. Re: [DNA] OT How many races are there? 
- Lisa Wilcox wrote:
"Who the frak cares? How does it help us if we conclude that there are four
or five or seventeen 'races'?"
Well... For one, Nora (IrishColleen), who asked the question. And, from
the length and tone of the debate, apparently, several others.
How does it "help" us? The same way any other knowledge helps us understand
the world in which we live.
- 2. Re: [DNA] 23andMe Is Running a Special on the Ancestry Edition 
- To people who are interested in genealogy, having potential relatives
be uninterested is disappointing.
That would not appear to be a hard concept to grasp.
On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote:
> I'm not disappointing you, you're setting yourself up for
> disappointment. Stop
> expecting a response, and you will cease being disappointed.
- 3. Re: [DNA] FTDNA Family Finder Match 
- I'd recommend a minimum of 5 cM if your goal is to find recent
relationships. 23andMe requires that at least one segment be 7 cM before it will report
a cousin match.
In a message dated 3/28/2010 11:04:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> FTDNA allows one to select 1,3,5 and 10cM for the browsing
- 4. Re: [DNA] Repetitive emails from FTDNA 
- Yes I am getting one message over and over
It is on just one of the 5 accounts I am GAP for (the other 4 are normal)
and in my case
it has to do with a 37 marker match.
- 5. [DNA] Article: The relationship between blood groups and disease. 
- I have not seen this article but I wonder if our 23andme/deCODEme
results contain enough information to match to the article.
Blood. 2010 Mar 22. [Epub ahead of print]
The relationship between blood groups and disease.
Bristol Institute for Transfusion Sciences, National Health Service
(NHS) Blood and Transplant, Bristol, United Kingdom.
The relative contribution of founder effects and natural selection to
the observed distribution of human blood
- 6. Re: [DNA] English genealogy (Charlemagne) 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Paula Y"
> Well, I have to thank him for his input. LOL
> (grateful descendant)
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Charles Hollenbeck <
> email@example.com> wrote:
>> Charlemagne was prolific?
But I think if you plow through the academic papers arguing that everyone in
some broad region of the world descend from Charlemagne, their argument
assumes he is almost just the average male of his time --- i.e. it does not
- 7. Re: [DNA] Repetitive emails from FTDNA 
- I have been getting the same one too. For a guy who has had a DYS716 test result. Seven times at last count.
I have also complained to FTDNA
Are other project administrators getting the same emails over and over, day
after day, from FTDNA? Not just the same kind of email, but the exact same
email, informing me of the exact same result or match. And one of the kits
I directly handle is getting these too. This started on Thursday.
Needless to say, I have sent a complaint to FTDNA, but I'd li
- 8. Re: [DNA] dbms v. spreadsheet 
- Working with autosomal test results is not something a project admin would
normally be doing. In the future, maybe, but not so far.
This thread started because someone said a project admin would *have* to know
SQL or someone who does to run a project. I'm only disputing that one
statement. I've been running six DNA projects for six years, and I've never
felt the need for using a dbms to run my projects, and I cannot foresee needing
Whether you need to use a spreadsheet or a dbms depends more on th
- 9. Re: [DNA] Naming Family Finder Projects 
Your right that going to far back would cause a project to become to large and unmanageable,but thinking that you can't find measurable segments, isn't totally true.. they could be there. I currently share measureable segments with a cousin at 11 generations.
But let's discuss the 5th generation.. 64 ancestors. (I can only name 24 of them, and I thought I was good..LOL)
How do you pick your couple?
1. Just put the names in a hat and pull out a pair?
2. Pick the lineage with the most genealogy
- 10. Re: [DNA] Clades, Definitions, Discoveries, FTDNA 
- With all due respect, Diana, I don't think you really understand the
thing you are criticizing here.
A clade is defined (or choose your preferred term) entirely by
demographics. A clade exists whenever someone or something has
descendants. The set which includes that MRCA and his/her/its
descendants is a clade. That's pretty simple, but its an accurate
Ken's point is that whether or not a clade comes into being is largely
down to demographic factors: population sizes, populatio
- 11. Re: [DNA] M222+ Modal 
- Hi Robert
Andrew Lancaster recently posted something about R1 modals for FTDNA 67 + 9.
I think I've misinterpreted that to mean FTDNA 67 + FTDNA Panel 9, whereas I
now realise that he must have meant FTDNA 67 plus the 9 markers that
Ancestry DNA test that are not included in the FTDNA 67.
So I have all the information that you directed me to but many thanks
[mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Robert H
- 12. Re: [DNA] 23andMe Is Running a Special on the Ancestry Edition 
I guess I am one of the exceptions - I have 100% continental European
ancestry - all from immigrant ancestors within past 120 years (Dutch, German
and Polish) yet only have 51 RF matches, and just 5 of them are predicted to
be closer than 4th cousins, but only 2 of those have responded so far. Of
course all my direct immigrant ancestors came directly to Canada.
On 10 March 2010 11:24, Tim Janzen wrote:
> Dear Bob,
> The last I heard there were about 30,00
- 13. Re: [DNA] Danish "homeland" of Viking Era emigrants to Eastern England and Normandy 
- Argh. Myres et al in my previous post, not Myles et al. Coffee!!!
> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:20:55 -0800
> From: email@example.com
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Danish "homeland" of Viking Era emigrants to Eastern England and Normandy
> Alpine Austria is a "special case". It was part of Rhaetia, a region that
> was always culturally and perhaps genetically different from the surrounding
> communities. There is some evidence that large numbers of Etruscans moved
- 14. Re: [DNA] English genealogy--Ancestry projects 
- The price increase referenced may have been for the myFamily service, rather than for an Ancestry.Com account. The myFamily service can be viewed as a "front-end" to the family trees at Ancestry.Com. When a user in myFamily "Imports a Tree", a link is created to the tree in Ancestry.Com, but the tree is still maintained on the Ancestry.Com site.
The new pricing is for the myFamily Groups. It has to be paid only by one person within a Group. This price is separate from fees for Ancestry.Com which are requir
- 15. Re: [DNA] Are the testing companies being guided to invest in the wrong things for genealogy? 
- This part is half true.
Admins using the infamous (and possibly abandoned) Dashboard platform
to generate a spreadsheet containing advanced STRs alongside standard
The SNP results do, indeed, remain inaccessible.
On Mar 13, 2010, at 2:33 AM, Lancaster-Boon wrote:
> *Admins can not even get a simple tabular listing of advanced STR
> nor any SNP results, for any project from FT DNA, (after how many
- 16. Re: [DNA] Family Finder Test 
- If some of the participants are 3rd or maybe 4th cousins, they would most
likely form small clusters. Even more distant cousins can be detected, but
the probablility of a match on autosomal DNA drops off rather quickly. More
intriguing to me is that autosomal DNA opens up an avenue of connection for
people who don't have straight male line connection to a Clan Donald
In a message dated 3/26/2010 7:07:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> If autosomal r
- 17. Re: [DNA] 23andMe Is Running a Special on the Ancestry Edition 
[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Robert Stafford
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] 23andMe Is Running a Special on the Ancestry Edition
Only those who bought the Complete Edition can download their raw data.
Can the people bought the beta download their data?
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Roberta Estes wrote:
> I'm glad
- 18. [DNA] M222+ Modal 
- Hi listers
Can anyone direct me to an M222+ modal for FTDNA67 + FTDNA Panel 9?
- 19. Re: [DNA] A question 
- The children would have less genetic diversity than they would have had if the
son had mated with a woman less closely related to him. Any kind of close
pairing has a higher probability of a deleterious recessive gene becoming
homozygous and thus being expressed, which is just one reason such closely
related matings are frowned upon.
Provided the grandchildren engaged in no such similar matings, the deleterious
effects would soon dissipate, and certainly there would be no long term effect
-- as in "down t
- 20. Re: [DNA] OT How many races are there? 
- On Mar 17, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Raymond Whritenour wrote:
> Then why haven't these readily made distinctions been translated
> into biogeographical tests?
The answer can only be that the people offering the tests are happy
doing it the way they are doing it. Or can't figure out how to do it
I've seen my own raw data from 23andMe analyzed in a BGA test on up to
seven "source" groups by a member of this list, so I know it can be
done. And I understand the process well enough to know t
- 21. [DNA] Interesting stuff 
- When did the first 'modern' human beings appear in the Iberian Peninsula?
March 15, 2010
Research carried out by a group of archaeologists from the Centre for
Prehistoric Archaeological Heritage Studies of the Universitat
AutEnoma de Barcelona (Spain) has contributed to stirring up
scientific debate about the appearance of the first "modern" human
beings on the Iberian Peninsula and their possible bearing on the
extinction of the Neanderthals....more
This is a long article interrupted by commercials:
- 22. Re: [DNA] Re : no match on panel 9 markers 
- LOL Yup, I guess I really am an oddball!
On 4 March 2010 21:49, vernade didier wrote:
> Incidently, I noticed for this group (R1b1b2a1a*) that Vince Tilroe who is
> following this list is the only one with DYS533=14 while all the others have
> the same DYS533=12 (no DYS533=11).
- 23. Re: [DNA] 23andme cousin results 
- The percent match between a child and one of its parents will depend
on how closely related the parents are to each other, and also on the
set of SNPs compared. But given the array of SNPs in use today, yes
80-85% would be pretty typical.
And even a full genome sequence would not reveal a match as low as 50%
between parent and child. While it is true that a child INHERITS only
50% of its DNA from each parent, if the the two parents themselves
have any SNPs in common (and they literally have
- 24. [DNA] Epigenetics and the UK 
- The Guardian has published a horribly-titled article that actually contains some quite interesting information on the inheritance of proteins for controlling the expression of genes. It is a little.... dramatic in places, but it also illustrates the huge gap between what is known and what is taught.
(Yeah, yeah, there'll always be a gap and the simplifications in education will always be inaccurate to some degree, but if you want to find out why Brits aren't testing in large numbers, it doesn't hurt to sta
- 25. Re: [DNA] Alleged Ancestry Project Fee 
That is good to know. I don't have a "My Family" site, but I do have a DNA group there. I got an e-mail telling me I would have to pay a subscription, so I was just going to let the site close. Maybe Ancestry.com has a glitch in its software for notifying folks.
From: Charles Acree
Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 3:01:51 PM
Subject: [DNA] Alleged Ancestry Project Fee
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