Orin wrote:
> If anyone needs or wants a translation from the example I seem to be able
> to read most of it. What they are showing are three subjects, the supposed
> grandfather (Opa Mustermann - meaning father Mustermann) and two alleged
> uncles, Emil and Lohegrin.
Close. "Opa" is Grampa, and "Enkel" is grandson, not uncle.
> Notice they seem to be using only 9 markers which puts them at the back of
> the pack today.
True, but their whole marketing strategy seems aimed at men hoping to
get out of pa
Nick wrote:
> All this proves is that 2.47+ is not "exclusively" a Scandinavian marker
> in the UK.
That's all it needs to prove. And you can take the quotation marks off
the word "exclusively". Let's not forget that 1/4 of the Norwegian
population falls into haplogroup 1, so hg1 is *also* a Scandinavian
marker, and just as useful a Scandinavian marker as hg2 (i.e., not
at all useful).
> I know someone doing these studies and they do not take such a firm stand
> as you ie NOT and NEVER! :-) NP
Hmmm.
Don wrote:
> Someone had a question about the names YATES, MOORE, RAMEY RODRIGUEZ BLEVINS
> CALDWELL being
> Sephardic.
Of the above, Rodriquez is obviously Spanish (a patronymic surname
derived from the forename Rodrigo, which probably goes back to the
Visigoths). Ramey is ambiguous (to me, anyhow), but the rest are
English or Anglo-Irish. It is certainly possible that Sephardim
have at one time or another adopted any of those surnames, but it
would be reckless to imagine that these names could be part
Bill wrote:
> I recently received the results of my 24 loci / markers Y-chromosome
> Test (Relative Genetics
> Lab) and I have not found any explanation
> for the "Alpha" values listed,
Ideally, the explanation should have been provided with the report you
received. Those codes are purely private, and only RelGen can tell you
exactly what they mean. A bit of history: when RelGen started giving
reports with numeric repeat counts, they included the warning that these
results were not "CEPH calibrated". In
Greg wrote:
> we believed that we
> descended from a common ancestor named John REEVES (c1790-1840).
> Indeed, we had extensive, traditional genealogical
> evidence-------including John's 1840 Will probated in Bartholomew
> Co., IN in which my cousin's GGG grandfather, Michael Dean REEVES
> (1816-1906), and my GGG grandfather, David REEVES (1820-1896) each
> were named as sons!...
>
> We are still WANTING to believe that we both descend from this John
> REEVES, but we'll also confess that our one-step diffe
As I announced here a while back, the Edmund Rice (1638) Association is
conducting a DNA study of persons with names like Rice, and we have 14
haplotypes so far. All who have such names are invited to join. We
have finally gotten around to organizing the raw results and posting a
table thereof. The web page can be found on our web site
http://edmund-rice.org/
Incidentally, we are publishing a paper on these results in New England
Ancestors (a periodical published by the NEHGS for its membershi
Kevin wrote:
> Hi List, just to let you know of a new DNA lab in Germany called biotix
> GmbH. It is in Potsdam, Germany. They do y-DNA and mtDNA analyses and
> kinship calculations. ...
I visited their web site. It seems to be mostly concerned with
paternity testing. As such, their lab work must be primarily on
autosomal markers, rather than Y or mtDNA. I didn't see any
technical details. There were three sound recordings of radio
spots that I didn't listen to (incompatible software), but I really
don
Regarding 1.15+, Chris wrote:
> Does this mean a mutation in any of the markers or just 390*25 ? I am
> 390*24 but am one off at 391*12, does that mean I am 1.15 or 1?
Neither. It means you are 1.15+, which is defined as 1.15 (AMH) plus
all haplotypes that are one step away from 1.15 on any of the six loci.
John Chandler
Dennis wrote:
> What test is used and who does the testing for the "very-slowly-mutating
> SNPs that are used to define the standard
> haplogroups"?
It's very similar to the testing for STRs that the commercial labs offer,
but it's not available commercially, as far as I know. The research
labs do it. Possibly, the specialty firms do it, too, as part of the
paternity testing and such, but I haven't looked into that.
John Chandler
Bert wrote:
> So, am I right now to imagine that my
> individual haplotype fits within the Atlantic Modal Cluster which is within
> Haplogroup 1? Or is HG1 identical to the AM Cluster?
The Atlantic Modal Cluster is just a long name for 1.15+, which is, for
the most part, within hg1. 1.15+ is not identical to hg1 by any means.
Bear in mind that hg1 is actually defined in terms of the Rare Event
Mutations (like SNPs) that are too rare to be particularly useful in
elucidating family trees and are therefore
Dennis wrote:
> My results for the six
> markers of the Atlantic Modal Haplogroup match exactly except for DYS 393
A matter of terminology: AMH is a haploTYPE not a haplogroup. As its
name implies (MODAL), it is the most common haplotype in Europe and
especially (ATLANTIC) in western Europe. It is typical of HAPLOGROUP 1,
which is in turn very common in Europe, especially toward the west. Your
being just one step away from the AMH means that you almost surely belong
to haplogroup 1 (but we can't be abso
Oops. I meant to send this to the whole list. Trying again...
Sheryl wrote:
> 2.) Is there any good information out there that describes just how
> close a 21 marker test could come to establishing MCR on a couple of
> lines?
There are two regimes. (A) If the two lines are *very* closely related,
so that you don't actually expect *any* mutations at all (but can't
rule them out, either), then you can use Ann's MCRA calculator. It
covers 0, 1, or two mutations and is therefore adequate for this
regim
Jim wrote:
> but please direct me to how to answer someone's simple question:
> "Who is my MRCA,?" using the following information:
That's very much like asking for the sound of one hand clapping. "MRCA"
stands for "most recent COMMON ancestor", i.e., common to two or more
people. You have to look at the haplotypes of two different people
and estimate how recent the MRCA was by counting up the number of
mutations that separate the two.
John Chandler
Bert wrote:
> Thus my question: How do the three
> European Haplogroups differ amongst themselves
There are at least two different ways of defining them. In one system,
hg3 has a mutation at 92R7 and M9 but not at SRY-1532, while hg2 has only
SRY-1532, and hg1 has all three. In the other system, SRY-1532 is not
considered, and hg3 is flagged by a difference at SYR10831 instead.
The latter is the system used by Wilson et al.
> and where is each group
> mostly found?
To first order, all groups are found
Dennis wrote:
> That's kind of what I thought the name is not Welsh and don't think were
> Basque, so mabye Irish. That would make my Great Grandfather happy as he
> said he was Irish.
I'm sure this was meant partly tongue-in-cheek, but it suggests an
underlying assumption that anyone who falls into hg1 is "probably"
either Irish, Welsh, or Basque. Not so. Hg1 is common all over Europe.
I am guessing that, in terms of absolute numbers, a randomly chosen
European hg1 person is "probably" German or French
John Crowley wrote:
> Here are my y-DNA results. Any matches out there? Or comments?
You are one step away from haplotype 2.47 and therefore undoubtedly
fall into haplogroup 2. That doesn't tell you much, but, as Allan
pointed out a couple weeks ago, this is the tea-leaf reading part of
DNA studies.
John Chandler
Nick wrote:
> I just want to point out that the accusation of hype needs to be
> qualified. The assumption is that the UK population was like the Welsh and
> Basque
> population before the Anglo-Saxons came.
Note: the Anglo-Saxons are not considered Vikings. Any haplotype that
occurs in a significant fraction of the Anglo-Saxon source population
can NOT be considered as evidence of Viking origin. For want of a
better model, we have to look at modern Frisia as the only available
approximation to t
Gene wrote:
> "A haplotype is a string of numbers representing mutations on a set of
> markers on one or several chromosomes.
Close. The term haplotype specifically refers to the genotype of a
haploid cell, so the only chromosome that can be pinpointed as such in
an ordinary cell is the sex chromosome X or Y. (All other chromosomes
are in nearly-identical pairs.) Indeed, the X's in a female are also
paired nearly identically. The term is often used for the genotype of
the mtDNA as well, but purists te
Perhaps someone could comment on these results that I have obtained from
Oxford Ancestors.
DYS19 14 DYS388 12 DYS390 26 DYS391 10 DYS 392 13 DYS 393 12
DYS 389i 11 DYS 389ii-i 16 DYS425 12 DYS 426 12.
My ancestry is from the North of Wales and I am trying to interpret how
these results fit in with the known fact that Hg1 or 1.15 and variants are
common in this region, it seems to me as if the results are a variation of
1.15 differing at 3 places DYS 393 DYS 390 AND DYS 391.
Any comment you could make wo
In a message dated 5/29/02 10:30:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
DNACousins@aol.com writes:
>
> > In about 140 samples so far, we've found that at DYS462, *11 is only
> > found in Hg1 and *12 or *13 are found in distant-to-each-other Hg2
> > samples.
>
>
I TOLD you!
Jerry
LOCUSDYS#SCORESALLELES139351323906223195 14 43915105385a7136385b81474264118388614943941210389-15131139251112389-2529
These are my dad's results from his DNA Testing!
12 Marker Y-DNA Test Results
Exact Matches
Country
Comment
Count
Norway
-
1
One Step Mutations
Country
Comment
Count
England
-
1
Russia
-
1
Two Step Mutations
Country
Comment
Count
England
-
4
Iceland
-
2
Scotland
-
2
Sweden
-
1
Sweden
Viking-HG2
3
Unknown Origin
-
5
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At 4:35 pm +0100 16/5/02, Anne Owen Taylor wrote:
>I have been following this thread with interest. Hunt is not a surname of
>Welsh origin. In the Oxford Dictionary of English surnames, the Old English
>"Hunta" is identified as the source of Hunt. I can't help with the Irish
>connection but would love to get my hands on a comprehensive book about
>Irish surnames.
>
>Anne Owen Taylor
At 7:03 am -0700 16/5/02, Dennis Hunt wrote:
>Could my surname, Hunt, have been Gaelic, S Fiachna or S Fiachra, and then
>cha
Hi List,
We have received new results this week from FTDNA on the Blakely/Blakeslee Surname DNA Project. We now have results in for four different lines which are still four different lines!
Gary Blakely
http://users2.ev1.net/~blakely52/Dna/DNA%20project.htm#results%20table
At 06:34 PM 5/30/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Two of my male relatives recently participated in the Y-chromosome test
>to determine a common male ancestor. All 24 of their markers matched;
>yet they were told that the test results showed no matches.
They should query the lab that failed to report their exact matches.
It may have been because one or both of them didn't wish to share their
results by e-mail, or be contacted by anyone.
> Would someone please explain how their markers can be identical without
>a
Hi, let me start off by stating that I I'm new to all of this DNA testing
for genealogy, but have been reading as much as I could find on the subject
over the last few months. I do have a question that I have not be able to
find an answer for (or I over looked it) and was hoping someone more in the
know can shed some light on this.
My last name is Schmidt (paternal name), but was originally Schnut in
Germany and is still today Schnut in Germany at least back to 1580. It was
changed in the US around 1