Greetings,
Did Kastus Kalinowski have any noble origins, or a herb of any kind? I know little about him and his family, except that he was a public figure among Belarusians and Lithuanians during the 1863 uprising.
Subject: Re: Coat of Arms: Kalinowa
> I find this a very interesting inquiry.
>
> I have sent you pictures of three variations from Ostrowski separately,
and
> Ostrowski's text. I also included a picture (from the same book) of the
> Siestrzeniec arms, which these resemble. Siestrzeniec is an evolution of
> Kotwicz and also comes from Silesia.
Dear David,
Could you please forward to me copies of the images if they are in digital
format ( .jpg or .gif ) for inclusion into my database.
Regards...
Ron..
I would agree with Kris. The root "Klemen-" seems to be of foreign origin as per our discussion some time ago. Forms directly from Latin "klemens" would have lost the "s" early, perhaps in a German predecessor. Forms from French "klement" would tend to retain the "t" as in English.
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From: Kris Murawski [mailto:kris.murawski@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:19 PM
To: HERBARZ-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} RE: Rymut available on-line
Re: {not a s
Does anyone have information on the Pokora Clan and the background on the
name and coat of arms. Does the cross on the key on shield originate due to
a request from the pope?
Thanks
Stan Pokora
Dans un courrier dati du 08/08/2002 17:38:31 Paris, Madrid (heure d'iti),
minak@onet.pl a icrit :
<< But who can be Jan z Matty? In the baptismal record I clearly see: "Jan z
Matty Pietrzyk" (born 31 Jan
1820, in Zielonki, Free, Independent and Fully Neutral City of Cracow).
>>
Jean de Matha (1160-1213) is a French saint . With Felix de Valois, he
created the Trinitarian Order to deliver Christian prisoners from muslims .
Is the proper Polish spelling " z Matty" ?
Pozdrawiam
Christian Orpel
George, I very much hope you have not caught the chronic crankiness
contagion from David and me! This list badly needs at least a few nice
guys for balance.
Essentially I agree with you, but let's please not throw out the
proverbial baby with the bath. Armorials are very useful indexes, and
greatly help to begin, or narrow down a search, if not complete it.
Admittedly, people named "Kowalski," for example, face an uphill battle
in trying to prove noble descent, however other surnames are relatively
unco
In the US, ordinary persons usually have only two personal names. Children
receiving three or four personal names in the US is characteristic of
unusual self esteem on the part of that particular family.
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To:
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: Leelee
> jdz@inr.net a icrit :
>
> << If she really was given three to four personal names, it seems pretty
> likely
> that she descends from some armigerous Sobieski
Rymut (1994) found 556 Dworski in Poland: 80 in the province of Katowice, 78
Opole, 73 Bydgoszcz, 71 Warszawa, 36 Nowz Sacz, 31 Wroclaw, 29 Zielona Gora,
28 Krakow, 23 Kielce, 20 Gdansk, 16 Szczecin, and so on. Vanagas et. al.
(1985) find a variety of Dvar- and Dvor- forms in Lithuania, but no Dvarskis
or Dvorskis which can be identified with confidence as a precise alternative
form.
Kasprzycki [V:167]:
DWORSKI
Arms unknown, recorded circa 1480; from L/e~czyca, and Prussia.
--sources: Borkowski, Ke~trzyn
Dear Listers,
just after sending you my first mail, I read old messages and found Mr
Zincavage's message concerning the famous "Rymut" on line.
I went through this site and found what I was searching for but I wasn't
abble to understand all the abbreviations for towns names.
Anyhow, I'm still interested in gathering information about these names.
Does anyone have such names among their ancestors?
best regards.
Laurent.
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Discutez en ligne
Actually the arms shown in that website are a variant or a fragmentary
version of the original Milydar ("Dear Gift") arms given to Jan
Stanislaw Albrecht by King Stanislaw August Poniatowski, when Albrecht
was ennobled in 1768. The original arms consist of a six-pointed gold
star upon a red heart in a silver field. The heart is surrounded by a
pair of green olive branches joined at the base. So at first the gold
did not rest on silver. However what David has said is often true in
Polish-Lithuanian heral
The noted heraldist Abp. Bruno Heim devoted a whole book "Or et Argent"
(I believe) to violations of this oft violated rule. The crossed keys
badge of the Vatican flag (heraldic banner) are perhaps the most
commonly seen example these days.
Kind regards,
George Lucki
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Zincavage [mailto:jdz@inr.net]
> Sent: August 15, 2002 5:45 PM
> To: HERBARZ-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Shield
>
> Mil/ydar is of much heraldic influence, as its blason: Argent, a
mullet
> Or,
>
George
No, No, No. You should have checked Rymut before posting this message. Names like "Warszawski" or "Krakowski" are not true locational names. The vast majority of people bearing them have ancestors who never lived, nor perhaps ever set foot in these cities. Not only that, but very many Polish Krakowski families originated in Warsaw, while very many Polish Warszawkis trace their origins to Cracow. These surnames are also very popular among Jews. Beider shows that Cracow wasn't even a center of Jew
Very interesting shield indeed David, well worthy of your added comments.
Does this collection of shields have an alphabetical index of some sort, so
you can look up names quickly?
http://www.heraldyka.monarchia.pl/chrzonski02.html
Thanks...
Ron...
> Mil/ydar is of much heraldic influence, as its blason: Argent, a mullet
Or,
> flies in the face of one of the primary rules of Western European
blasonry:
> Never place a metal on a metal. The sole traditional exception being made
> for the arms of the Kingdo
Gentlemen,
Thank you for your assistance, and advice.In view of the fact the name does
seem quite rare, perhaps my friends story as told may have some bearing on
finding or indeed confirming this family indeed had a Coat of Arms...if the
story has any substance, which I find rather interesting:" The
great-grandfather said after one of the Szulakowskas married a Radziwill ,
the crest was given to a member of the family (male) who was a Klucznik for
the Princely family at thier kresy home...the crest is descr
Dear HERBARZ subscribers,
what happend about this output,is anbody who can translate it(german or
english), or can help me.
I found it in "Polska Akademia Nauk Biblioteka Ksrnicka"
Thank you very much in advance, for your help
Sincerely,
Ursula B
mailto:pisarski@butschal.de
Pisarski, Jan Stefan
Mowca polski [...] staraniem y nak?adem Jana Pisarskiego [...]. T. 1 [...]
Seymowe y pogrzebne mowy pod imieniem y obron? [...] Iana [...] Sobieskiego
[...]
Kalisz Kol. Soc. Jesu 1668 Polska
[4],3-231 s. 40
E. XXI
Ron,
I just wanted to convey how impressed I am with what you are trying to
undertake in the Ziemiecki project. You must take care of yourself - it
may take 20 years. Too many compilers of genealogical/heraldic almanachs
died or were interrupted by war etc. before getting to the end of the
alphabet.
Kind regards,
George Lucki
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Ziemiecki [mailto:ron@accc.net.au]
> Sent: August 29, 2002 2:32 PM
> To: HERBARZ-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: electronic Sulimierski and Bo
Leon,
First of all thanks for drawing my attention to the following error.
With regards to my `seven commandments` the word not should have
appeared in 1.
These names are not exclusive to one social group.
Otherwise it makes little sense (especially when confronted with 3.
As for the issue of the use of arms let me state very clearly that I am
all for people using arms. I feel that heraldry allows for the creation
of meaningful personal and family symbols. At present in most of the
world there is absolute
If she really was given three to four personal names, it seems pretty likely
that she descends from some armigerous Sobieski family,
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From: "Marek Jerzy Minakowski"
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: Leelee
> Here it says that she is:
>
http://www.nationjunior.net/entertainment/stardata/stardataleeleesobieski.sh
> tml
>
> "I agree that the name Leelee Sobieski is strange but her full name is
> Liliane Rudabet Gloria
300 people is a relatively small group, considering that, supprisingly, none migrated to the US. Many family reunions have as many male representatives plus wives in attendance. As you have mentioned, the Szulakowskis in Silesia, Pomerania, and former East and West Prussia, are probably mostly post-war transplants, but job and educational opportunities also distribute people far and wide. The Slownik geogaficzny reports, for example, that in 1880, about 350 people inhabited Luka Szlachecka (as oppose
Lucian,
the GOTHA, Blazek and Heyer v. Rosenfeld say that the family Kalinowsky
came from the Ukraine. The GOTHA shows the family tree in 'Grdfliche
Hduser B' from 1901 to 1935. It begins with Jan v. K. in 1582. The
family was called in Upper-Silesia 'Kalinowsky von Kalinow'. A
'Rittergut' in the powiat/Kreis/county of Gross-Strehlitz. Kneschke
(volume 5, p.7 from 1867) says that the family is known in Silesia since
13th century.
The oldest book of the noble landowners in the Ftm. Oppeln
and Ratibor, 152
When names end in -iego, they are appearing in a Polish language case
ending.
What about the surname is it that you want to research? It seems to me we
recently discussed its etymology, the number of occurences in Polamd in
the1990s, and armigerous examples.
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From: "Ron Ziemiecki"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 6:24 AM
Subject: Surname search
>
> Hello fellow list members. I need to research a Surname and as usual, will
> greatl
I am looking for any relationship of
Zuzanna Justyna Ma3gorzata (Susanne Justine Margaret) Schad von
Mittelbiberach.
She was married to Zygmunt/Sigismundus Opacki (died 1654), wojewoda derpski
(the palatine of Dorpat/Tartu in Estonia). Her son,
Olbracht/Albrecht/Wojciech Opacki (born about 1621, died 1680) was an
outstanding Polish diplomat (buried in Raszyn near Warsaw, where his
mother's coat-of-arms is still visible (looks like an eagle).
In the Internet I have found the following sources, where somethi
Stettin, now Szczecin, was the capital city of the province Pommern.
- Werner von Schulmann published a tax list from 1655 of
'Hinterpommern' (east of Stettin).
He found Krantz; Kranz; Kratz; Kratze and Kratzke.
See: http://www.charly.ping.de/bibliothek/schulmann.htm
- The tax list from 1718/19 of the Neumark mentions two Krantzke:
In the county of Kvnigsberg, today Chojna, 30 miles south of Stettin.
In the county of Arnswalde, today Choszczno, 40 miles south east of
Stettin.
- The West Prussian Land Re
> High self esteem is generally considered healthy (although I may have an
excess of it). However it doesn't equate to noble descent, anymore than does
Dennis Kozlowski's $1,600 Tyco shareholder-funded shower curtain, and $13.1
million taxpayer-funded art collection ennoble him. Many Americans who
should know better have developed the habit of adding "II" and "III" to
their surnames and are so vulgar even as to introduce themselves as for ex.
"Joseph Ulysses Jones "the Third." Middle names in general and
I am trying to find out what John Kashmire Sulatycki's father and
Grandfather's name. His mother was Wanda Radziwill (Princess) the daughter
of Michal Tyszkiewicz and Marie Radziwill.
I have an original picture of January Sulatycki born in 1809 and it looks
like he died in 1890. All of my information is in polish and I can't read
it.
Hope some one can help.