That word 'May' in the Cemetery Registry Law is a HUGE word as we have seen
before. Makes the laws useless.
I still wonder what makes our ancestors a Natural Resource.
Ron Baldwin
>From: "Rich Green"
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>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: [INPCRP] Re: Unidentified subject!
>Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:09:50 -0500
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>Just curious? Was this message the final word on this? Or, has the
>discussion gone offline?
>
>Rich Green
>Historic Archaeologica
I've been watching with great interest the intense discussion about legislation, etc. I can easily see how very discouraging the process can be, but we have to keep trying and pushing for better laws. I made a survey of more than a hunted old cemeteries in Dearborn County for a Bicentennial project in the 70's, and since then every year someone finds another. Dearborn currently has a cemetery committee and we are preparing to approach the county commissioner about an official commission. We plan to proceed
I saw the question about burial grounds as addressed in HB 1758.
Last year the cemetery protection legislation provided penalties in Sec.
2.1 for damaging a cemetery, but the term burial ground was unintentially
omitted.
Perhaps a paste-up of the HB 1758 language below about "burial grounds"
might clarify that "burial grounds" are to be given the same level of
protection as cemeteries, and a person causing damage to such would
receive the same penalty as a person who damaged a legally defined
cemetery.
I am still reeling from the Mississinewa Mem. Cem./Vernon Cemetery
combination of umpteen years ago,.. talk about pathetic...and I just don't
know what to do about it. I have yelled for 20-30 years but it seems
currently it is not in vogue to discuss dying and it's aftermath it
eems.[ Somehow in a strange way it doesn't seem 'personal' to anyone..isn't
that odd] You all have been doing such a remarkable job that it would be a
travesty to stop now....we just need a bigger voice. How many are in this
group a
Hello group I hope I have'nt been forgoton as some of these cemeteries may
be if we don't keep fighting. I'm sorry I don't get on here more often,
but I have been busy here. I am trying to locate Rev. Soldiers burials with
no stones in site. I do read all of the lists comments and must say I am so
proud of all who are involved. I have kept silent because I thought you
were all doing so well in your counties, what kind of difference could I
make? But now I see that it takes everyone doing their part.
Bob Berlin , whose son Aaron cleaned up Gossett Cemetery in
Hendricks Co., IN (and a member of the INPCRP e-mail group) reports that
another cemetery very close to Gossett Cemetery is apparently "in the way" of
a new subdivision.
Based on Jack Briles' abysmal report on stiffling the wholesale relocation of
pioneer cemeteries in Floyd Co., IN, my hopes of stopping yet ANOTHER cemetery
dislocation aren't real high.
However, Bob, there are a couple of things you need to determine first:
(1
Aron, I have only the deepest respect for a young man that will give up his
time, for people he never knew. In the years ahead you will have something to
look back on with pride. Not many young men in this day and time can even
come close. I'm sure you will lead a very productive life. I thank you on
behalf of all those you helped, that can't thank you.
Jack E. Briles Sr.
jb502000@aol.com
Jeffersonville, In.
Hi, Andi,
Merle and I were on your team, remember?
My notes say:
Grouting (a very thin mortar)
3 parts cement (White Portland)
2 parts lime
fine sand
Mix 1:1 (cement + lime): (sand)
Clean out slot (use water, air, rope)
Use potters clay to close sides--opening at top.
Pour in grout to about 1 inch from opening; let set 3 days. Remove clay
after a few days.
Cap with mixture of:
2 parts cement
1 part lime
7 parts sand
Color depending on color of stone (will lighten over time.)
Hope this helps,
Ruth
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If I may add my two cents worth...
I feel part of our problem as a group is our short time of existence. Lois
has done a wonderful job with this group, and had some great results with
last year's legislative process, but in the realm of things, we are still
very unknown and unproven. My question has always been where's our state and
local historical societies and genealogical societies? Maybe we're all at
fault for not getting them more involved in our endeavor. Some of these
organizations, in ma
Hi Lois and all members, I have read all of the postings from so many of you
and I have just been quiet, so now I will say what I think. Lois , don't
give up...you have done so much good for what you believe in. I know from
experience that you care. But it does seem like we are fighting a big
battle here. As Lois knows, my old Peckinpaugh Family Cemetery , in Crawford
Co. , IN. was in very bad condition and I got a group of relatives together,
as well as Lois, and we cleaned it all up. I also had written t
In a message dated 2/28/01 7:57:33 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
CLUGH_LA@email.msn.com writes:
<< I'm planning to have a computer setup
with a projector. >>
If you want to see what I have to do, I would have to go on line, I will
Bring some examples of the process I go thru to arrive at my Locations all
ready to go. I can bring Printouts already for assembly so I can show the
process without having to have a copier there also. These already prepared
would be faster. Actually I need to go on line to
Ron,
In the past week, I have been interviewed by newspapers in Columbia, South
Carolina, Orlando, Fla, Jackson, Mississippi and a TV station in Maryland
concerning current endangered cemeteries situations. What I have found is
that no matter what time of year it may be, media outlets all over the
country are jumping to get stories like this because of the interest that
they generate in their readership / viewers.
Here in Atlanta, I see at least one article a month in the local paper
dealing not only with
Jack,
Find a news reporter that you can send this to, and then let them do the
checking. It's pretty hypocritical of them to say this will "help" when
it's obvious there are no teeth in it...
Sue Silver
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From:
To:
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery registry will record Hoosiers "resting
places"
> In a message dated 2/16/01 8:06:31 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> JRdinius@dnr.state.in.us writes:
>
To all,
The cemetery laws written in the sixties provides
protection and funding for cemeteries. These laws
provided ways and means for county officials with
'initiative' to care for their cemeteries. A few
counties used these laws but most disregard because of
the word MAY.
The most recent Legislation for cemeteries continues
to utilize the word MAY, making all of their efforts
USELESS. I don't want to demean Representative Lytle's
efforts and hard work for he is trying to help. But,
the word MAY is USELE
Today, I visited the site of a Pioneer cemetery. Or where it had been, with 7
Stones on the site, there had been 1 very Large one with 2 names on it, man
and wife. I also Visited the Site where the remains ??? had been moved. The 5
Marble tablets looked very nice. They had been sanded nice and white, A very
nice site. Unless you see 3 places where the ground was dug up to put Small
Cremation Boxes of Remains of a minimum of 8 people. The size of the burial
spots for at least 8 people looked like som
Hello Robin,
I am way behind reading my EM's. When you said you traded in your old
camera did you mean that literally or do you still have it? I am the
Indiana Coordinator for English Springer Spaniel Rescue inc., a 501c3
non-profit corp. formed to help re-home ESS's. What would you take for
your old digital camera? I need an inexpensive camera to take pictures
to put on our web site for potential adopters to see. You are in Indiana
right? Thanks for your cemetery work.
Joni
Indianapolis, IN
http://www.
Hello. I am wondering if anyone of you do dowsing for graves or know of someone who does. I am in the process of having an old pioneer cemetery cleaned up. There is supposed to be about 45 people buried there. There are not enough headstones to account for that many people. We will be erecting a fence around the cemetery. I want to make sure everyone buried in the cemetery is included in the boundaries.
I heard of remote sensing, but that is way too expensive. The township and county can not afford that amo
I agree with Ron Baldwin that the Cemetery Registry program should not be in
the Indiana Department of Natural Resources, but in an appropriate
Department.
Problem is Indiana doesn't presently have a Department of History, or
Cultural Resources, or some more suitable department. When history,
archaeology, and eventually cemeteries were in turn assigned to a
Department, they were combined with State Parks, State Forests, Fish &
Wildlife, State Museums & Historic Sites, etc., and State Mine Reclamatio
In a message dated 2/23/01 4:21:25 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
NIPINFO@cdc.gov writes:
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Date: 2/23/01 4:21:25 PM US Eastern Standard Time
From: NIPINFO@cdc.gov (NIPINFO)
Sender: wla2@cdc.gov (Atkinson, William (NIP))
To: jb502000@aol.com (Jack E. Briles)
There is no risk of smallpox, cholera, or any other disease, from bodies
buried for many years. The biggest risk is from tetanus. Be sure all your
workers have had a dose of tetanus toxoid in the last 10 years. This
Lois, Jack , and anyone else who will listen,
WE cannot stop the INPCRP website! WE are the voice that protects the one's before us final resting places. I have learned so much from this site and from the wonderful people who fight so hard to save our pioneer cemeteries.
WE need to make a BIG stink about this whole mess! Calling the Invetigative teams of the media would be a start, contacting the local and large newspapers, talking to our representatives, senators and saying WE will NOT give up! Maybe a p
Thanks to Ken Fox for alerting us to a story in this morning's Terre Haute
Tribune-Star newspaper about the DNR's new cemetery registry project.
The URL for the story is quite long and you will have to paste it together in
your browser window, but it is:
http://www.tribstar.com/clients/tribstar/single_article_search/single_article_
search.qry?function=search&story_id=27742&type=Top%20Story
Alternatively, you can go to the INPCRP "In the News" page at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/inthenews.html
and li
Hello,
When one is attempting to locate the boundaries of an old cemetery to have
it fenced and create a permanent record of it's location and dimensions,
one should to strive to be as accurate as possible. Most people recommend
first researching old records to see what description of the plot may
already exist. Check old plat maps and Surveyors records to see if a plat
or survey was ever made of the cemetery. Check the WPA Graves Registration
Project records to see if this cemetery was surveyed a
Jack,
Just know that one day things WILL be different. Keep thinking about
the things that were said could never be done. WE WILL PREVAIL.....
Some how we must find a way to keep up the fight.
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that our cause is just and God is on
our side. One day we will be able to meet those that are resting in the
graves we are fighting for. I also KNOW that they will be grateful for even
the smallest amount of progress we make. The rewards are always as great
as the
Jack, I for one want to applause you , you have put into words, what I
haven't been able to say, but have felt about these Pioneer Cemeteries and
our Ancestors. If we don't take the time and energy to go ahead and do our
best to preserve these sacred burial grounds, who will. We are going to make
a trip back to Crawford Co., this spring to try to locate a Rice-Peckinpaugh
Cemetery, (these people who were buried there are family members of mine)
that was brought to my attention. It has been neglected to the
Jack;
I know the frustration of not wanting a cemetery moved and the fight that
is involved but you must never give up. I managed to, along with the help of
others putting in tons of work to stop one of the largest coal mines around
from getting an order to disinter. Much to our suprise. You have got to
take a breath and know that major steps can be taken they are just at little
paces and there is much more work to be done. Do not give up the effort when
we have started to move forward. There is much m