Hi MaryPat,
That's a very good point. The De Burgo family is a branch of the Normans who were originally Danes who went viking. ('Viking' was originally a verb for exactly what Vikings used to do - go off, go lawless, gop raiding, go bad.) Here's the scoop on the Normans:
In 865, a huge horde or "Great Army" (as the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle puts it) of Danish Vikings, who were already used to sacking towns and villages in both England and France, occupied East Anglia. In 867, they destroyed Northumbria.
Well, since I originally posted the "trigger finger" info, I have learned
much from the List comments. I especially found the "toe" comments
interesting, since my father, besides his finger, has hammer toes. I wonder
if this was actually the same condition.
I certainly intend to check for Dupytrens Contracture. As my sixth decade is
approaching, so far I seem to be unaffected by it. It is great to know that
I will not have to have surgery, nor will our children.
Thanks for all the additional info and
I have been watching this thread with most interest and find it all so fascinating.
Only because the topic of the 'trigger-finger' came up.
My paternal grandmother had the same affliction. Her father was from Claremorris County Mayo, and her mother from Bekan Parish. She was black haired and brown-eyed, but with fair skin and freckles. I am fair, but redheaded and with green eyes(from my maternal grandmother from East Galway). But what caught my attention was the 'trigger-finger'! My paterna
Hello all,
Sorry to say the Spanish who did not drown were wiped out when they got to the beach, except for a small number of Dons who were ransomed by the English and a very small group (about 30) who escaped with Irish help to Scotland. This tragedy is all well-documented.
Pleased to say that the documentation for the 'black Irish' in Irish records goes back more than 800 years before the Armada. These are the Fir Bolg or Belgii. The Celtic Irish descend from several different Celtic tribes who dif
To all of you Irish "cousins" of mine, and to all my other "cousins" of
every nationality, a toast of the old Bailey's Irish Creme to ya! Happy New
Year, and may you find everyone you are looking for in 2006!
Thank you,
Cathy Ryan in sunny Tampa, FL
Native of Brooklyn, NY
Ongoing Surname Queries as of January 2006
AUSTIN, BALLIN, HRADEL, KOZISKI, KUPECZ, MURPHY, NAGLE, RYAN,
SABOL, WALLA, WILLIAMS
If I place my hands together, palms
facing me, w/ the two little fingers touching side -by-side, I can see a
very distinct "V" opening at the tops (last joint) of these little fingers.
Does this indicate that I came from a line of Viking stock
Hi Mike,
Me too .......Who knows need more learned people than me to settle this one
.. Amazing what we find along with our ancestors ..
MaryPat
Many thanks, Mary. Best, - Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Parks
To: IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Irish-American] LOTS OF CELTIC TRIBES IN IRELAND WITH DIFFERENT PHENOTYPES
Jerry,
Thanks so much for this interesting information. Makes me even more proud to
be Irish!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Kelly [mailto:jerrykelly@att.net]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:01 PM
To: IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb
Congratulations Michael, your version is so correct, I was wondering
just what was going on when I read the first posting,
here in Australia, it is sung at weddings as the bride and groom leave
the reception as a sign of them leaving their former families and go
forth together as a new family, also at New Years Eve to say goodbye to
the last year and all that happened in it.
Cheers Linda in OZ.
Michael P. Thompson wrote:
>On 12/2/05 11:10 PM, "rbbtfarm" wrote:
>
>
>
>>Sitt
Thanks, Paddy. I'll see what I can find out. Best, - Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Coughlin
To: IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Irish-American] LOTS OF CELTIC TRIBES IN IRELAND WITH DIFFERENT PHENOTYPES
Jerry:
It is my Coughlin line. The name was spelled Coghlan in the early 1800's,
and my Coughlin's were located in and around Grange Upper. The townland is a
bit south of Castleconnell. Given the concentration of C
Pat:
Sorry, but I don't have a connection.
Cheers,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Curtis [mailto:anglers@bullshoals.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:37 PM
To: IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Irish-American] LOTS OF CELTIC TRIBES IN IRELAND WITH
DIFFERENT PHENOTYPES
Pat,
Do you have a Michael COUGHLIN m Mary DOHONY b 1831 Ireland and to this
union:
Michael J. COUGHLIN
b ca-1858 Tolono,Champaign Co.,IL
occupation: Railroad Clerk
m 12-Jan-1881 Tolono,Champaign Co.,IL to Cathar
Dear Susan,
Wow! That is really great! It's possible to identify the Celtic tribes to which many Irish families belong, and then in a few cases like the S Gormain (Gorman) family identify when those tribes got to Ireland and where they came from. Can you tell me what surname most likely represents that DNA and perhaps what tribe? Or is it possible to post the research to the list so we can all look at it? That would be great.
Best, - Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk C. Jenkin
I believe the condition which effects fingers and palms of hands can also
effect toes and arches of the feet, namely the fascia. Please check Google for
Dupytrens Contracture.
Here is an interesting article that a couple of people have sent me to
pass on to my Irish lists. It is about how Canada is helping Ireland
with getting their censuses on line with free access for all.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051206/tc_afp/irelandcanadahistory
--
Pat Connors, Sacramento CA
http://www.connorsgenealogy.com
Dan,
Your email "tone" was fine. I remember my father mentioning that
(unmentionable
phrase ) when I was little, and wondering what it meant. Myths are myths
but the facts are great. Thanks for sharing.
Just want to mention how much I've enjoyed finding your family in Ireland
with you, through your postings. Awesome!! Exciting and inspiring. I'm happy
for you.
Sheila
From a Google search - here are some lyrics
AULD LANG SYNE
Words adapated from a traditional song
by Rabbie Burns (1759-96)
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And never brought to mind?
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And auld lang syne?
CHORUS:
For auld lang syne, my dear,
For auld lang syne,
We'll tak a cup of kindness yet,
For auld lang syne!
And surely ye'll be your pint-stowp
From the British Isles Vital Records Index set up by the Family History Ctr
(LDS) This is a partial listing, dating from 1530 to 1906 with over 7.3
million records .. Keep the word partial in mind as many that we know should be
there and are there if you go to the LDS centers are not on this CD set ..
There are 1439 hits in all of Ireland for Driscoll .. Many n Cork ..
If you can give me more detail I will be glad to go back and look for some
of your ancestors ..
MaryPat
SNIPPET: One Protestant institution that drew the loudest condemnation from the Catholic clergy was the Children's Aid Society in New York City. Founded in 1853 by Charles Loring BRACE, the CAS was committed to saving children who were orphaned or living in unfit homes. The goal was to remove the children from the harmful environment of the slums and place them in the homes of respectable families. Starting in 1854 and running until 1929, the CAS sponsored so-called "orphan trains" that carried 250,000 chi
My Gfather Patrick came to Philadelphia in 1888.He was followed to the states
by his
brothers Robert b1865,Peter b1867 & Francis b1871.Would like to hear from
anyone
who has Corrigan connections. These Corrigans were from County Tyrone,Parish
of
Termonmaquirk. There parents were Robert Corrigan & Ann Rafferty.TIA
George Corrigan Buffalo NY.
On Dec 21, 2005, at 12:14 PM, ARsuncitygal@aol.com wrote:
> What happened to the whipped cream?
On Dec 21, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Pat Connors wrote:
> Pile the
> whipped cream over the top of the triffle.
I guess there wasn't an exact amount of the cream.
On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:52 PM, ARsuncitygal@aol.com wrote:
> I guess I missed something. There is no amount to use?
David--I was a little confused by your post. YOur grandfather was "farmed out" in 1876. Your ggrandmother kept her daughters. That's where I got lost.
"The same happened to my to be grandmother and that is how
they met."
Was your grandmother form another "farmed outr" family?
How did your grandmother and grandfather meet?
this is really interesting to me because, well for a lot of reasons, but my husband's father had a brother who was "farmed out" c. 1910 in Canada. Mother had died i
I believe that what you all are talking about "trigger finger" etc. is
really a medical condition called "Dupytren's contracture"., Know to be hereditary
and prevalent in people of northern European heritage. My grandmother had it
( monaghan County) . I have it in both hands, although different fingers on
each hand. This condition is unusual in people younger than 60. I have had
it for about 10 years and I am 74. However i have 2 children in their
fortys, one male and one female, who have i
On 12/2/05 11:10 PM, "rbbtfarm" wrote:
> Sitting here watching the BRAVO channel special about "The Greatest Things
> About the Holidays".
> It mentioned that the famous New Years Eve song,
> "Auld Lang Sine" (spelling ?) was actually an Irish drinking song. Wondered
> if anyone could find anything more about it's origins and how it became our
> song.
Hate to disagree with a TV channel, but they're way off base. Auld Lang Syne
was written by the famous Scottish poet Robert Burns.