Hi
I stand by what Karen Whitmer says. Although Luxembourgers may indeed be
Germanic, that is not to say, in my opinion, that they are German. The language
difference is the main reason why I believe so.
Thank you
Bob Olson
Dear Mr. Lichter,
Your talk about the Duchy of Luxembourg, though in relation to Bitburg,
caught my attention.
I have been trying to zero in on what film(s) the Latter Day Saints made
which could help me learn more about my great-grandfather's family.
From records (death, marriage, & the like), I find he came from Betzdorf, as
did his siblings. A letter, written by his niece, says family came from area
that was Duchy of Luxembourg.
Viewing the LDS' catalog, most all records come earlier, or too late
I think that you should be careful when referring to Luxemburgers as Germans, although you are right when you say they come generally from the same stock and so forth. I felt your conclusions rather simplified a complicated situation and I wanted to respectfully add the little grey to the matter that it deserves.... if any of that made any sense.
You must remember that the idea of nationality is a new one. Before the nationalist movements of guys like Mazzini in Italy and Bismarck in Germany and others li
Chris...
There are two Betzdorf's in this region...
One in eastern Luxembourg, the other is north & east of Koblenz,
(Rheinland-Pfalz) Germany
The one in Luxembourg has always been part of the Grand Duchy and films
exist.
Luxembourg records on film (LDS/FHC) run from the late 1700's to about
1900.
What years (time span) do you wish to locate for this Betzdorf.
Lux records also support quick search via 10 year surname indexes on film
for each area.
Richard
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"b.b" wrote:
> Hello:
> I am trying to find out about the surname of GROTHAUSEN. One of my ancestors Anna Grothausen came from Wiesbaum, and I find very few in the Trier area (at least in the surrounding towns). I'm trying to find out if this name is more common in another region perhaps. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Phyllis
Phyllis, there are a number of sites on which you can search for your surname of choice, to survey where folk
Hello everyone,
Been quiet lately as I have a very demanding work schedule.
I discovered these records about three and half years ago, but I wasn't
completely sure if they were my family or not. I have since found new data
that ties everything together, and thought I'd share with everyone.
All city references except Pittsburgh, are in the District (Kreis) of Trier.
Starting with great-great-grandmother and her line going backwards:
* Anna Margaret Pauli, b. 1849 Kordel, d. abt. 1914 Pittsburgh
* H
Phyllis,
The LDS IGI Files show thousands of GROTHAUSENs and common variations from
all over old Germany. There are hundreds of Anna GROTHAUSENs and common
variations from Prussia alone.
At 09:49 AM 7/6/2004, you wrote:
>From: "b.b"
>To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: surname
>
>Hello:
>I am trying to find out about the surname of GROTHAUSEN. One of my
>ancestors Anna Grothausen came from Wiesbaum, and I find very few in the
>Trier area (at least in the surrounding towns).
Hello:
I have a church record for a ancestor that came from Septfontaines Luxembourg. In the record it mentions his father and mother as being from Wolehringer (at least that is how I think it is spelled). The problem I'm having is there is not a village or town even close to this spelling. I was wondering if someone (who has done extensive research in Luxembourg) might be able to help me out.
Thanks,
Phyllis
Thomas,
Luxembourgers never considered themselves German and to this day they do not
want to be referred to as such. Over the years, Luxembourg has been "ruled"
by many outsiders and the people did not really consider themselves Austrians,
Spanish, Belgians, Dutch or French. They were Luxembourgers -- in spite of
what labels other people wanted to give them.
As Luxembourg was a legitimate country, they were often too small to be
noticed by the rest of the world, as Bob Olson points out. They were
I think that you should be careful when referring to Luxemburgers as Germans, although you are right when you say they come generally from the same stock and so forth. I felt your conclusions rather simplified a complicated situation and I wanted to respectfully add the little grey to the matter that it deserves.... if any of that made any sense.
You must remember that the idea of nationality is a new one. Before the nationalist movements of guys like Mazzini in Italy and Bismarck in Germany and others li
For the familyname Grothausen
please look into the parish books
of Uexheim and Ahuette.
These towns are located some miles
east of Wiesbaum. There were Grothausen
families since the 18-th century working in a iron-factory.
Werner Lichter
Kathy Lenerz wrote:
>
>To what time period does this information apply? Specifically, does it
>apply to the 1810s to 1850s? Are the registers from that time period
>extant? If so, do they exist in the local village or in a regional
>archive?
This information applies to most areas in Germany (most of the former and
present states).
However, it never applied uniformly to every area and jurisdiction there.
Local jurisdictions and statues varied widely, and previous to Bismarck's
time, certain types
Dear reader,
the county (german "Kreis", speak Krays) of Bitburg was new founded in 1815 out of parts from the former
"Departement de la Forets", County of the forests (untill 1795 of "Duchy of Luxemburg") and the
"Departement de la Sarre" Counrty of the Saar (untill 1798 parts of the archibishopric of Trier).
Untill 1798 this archibishopric was a country in the German Roman conformerated states.
Luxemburg belonged to the Autrian Netherlands since 1715 up to 1795.
In 1815 these parts of Luxemburg and T
Hi Werner:
As I understand, the final border changes in Luxembourg took place with the
Congress of Vienna. Is that a map that shows the exact border changes of
Germany and Luxembourg. I would like to know that so that the St. Thomas college
in St. Paul, Minnesota can start collecting histories and genealogies from that
are now Germany that used to be Luxembourg. Is there a map or a list of the
villages? You mentioned 94 villages. Is there a list?
A lot of times in America, some of the Luxembourg em
Listers,
Luxembourgers, consider themselves just that Luxembourgers. They speak
Luxembourgishe which they consider a separate language from German or
French. This from my grandfather whose families go back in Luxembourg
to the 1600s. He called himself Flemish which I understand is from
Belgium. He would not call himself either German or French and corrected
anyone who did. He was born in Waldbillig in the year 1862. I first
heard of the Duchy of Luxembourg in history at the time of Charlegmagne
Hello
I hope someone can answer this question. I have been told that legal
immigrants had to have a passport in order to leave Germany (with
description of the person who was immigrating) and that these can be
found in some of the German Archives. I am going to Germany in October
and wondering if copies of passports for the Trier/Saarburg region might
be found in the Archive at Koblenz, Trier or Saarburg.
Specifically, I am looking for the passports from the villages of Irsch
bei Saarburg and Zerf
Karen,
Maybe some maps will help "sort out" the villages/towns.
http://webplaza.pt.lu/meisch/imTIME/aWW1_2.html
where you will find several links to maps ...
Here is one link with some town names
http://genhames.free.fr/frontiereslux.htm
(dates: 1659, 1815, 1839)
and, a collection of Luxbg related maps (dated ... and courtesy to Gary Little)
http://www.luxcentral.com/LuxMaps.html
And, we are all waiting for a collection of 4 books - Census from 1766 -
edited by J.-C. Muller & the AGLH;
1766 indeed mean
Charlemagne wasn't French. He was German from birth contrary to popular
assumptions and belief.
You see, the Rheinland Franks (later split into the West Franks & East
Franks & the Salian Franks), etc were all Germanic tribes. The French as
we know did not come into existence for more than 700 years later.
Charlemagne had his palace at Aachen which is located in Germany.
His 3 sons' names were all Germanic. They were Lothair, Karl and
Ludwig.
Lothair was given the Middle Kingdom which was Duchy of Lotha
I must add that though Kathy knows the specific village(s) of her ancestors,
and is looking more for passport/register information vis-`-vis the archives
in the Saarburg-Trier area, what I previously posted should be helpful to
anyone looking for more generalized information on the topic of German
passports and emigrant permits, and some of the resources available to
search to help one determine an ancestor's point of origin in the old
country. This, since there seems to be a number of posts recently
Requesting any information on the following family
Lorans Weiland b. abt.1795 m. Susanna Monowill (said to be French)
Children:
Catherine Weiland
John Weiland
Susanna Weiland
Nicholas Weiland b. abt. 1823
This family emigrated to the United States about 1840, finally settling in Butler Co. Pennsylvania, then moving on to Cambria Co. Pennsylvania.
Help in finding origins for this family will be greatly appreciated.
Lois Crissman
Lcrissman@bright.net
hello friend in research,
after Mr. Werner Naumann passed away in February we got back his project
"familybook Bitburg" to complete his work.
Werner Naumann has done a great work as a volunteer. He put all information
out of the church books of both Bitburg parrishes "BMV / Liebfrauen" and
"St. Peter" 1643-1886 into his computer.
I am now transcribing the rest of the datas from 1886-1900.
The marriages are now complete, death are finish up to 1889.
If there are any additional datas for this project, l
Bob,
German-speaking Luxemburgers were Germans, so the 19th century appellation
was correct. Furthermore Luxemburg was a part of Germany, of the old Empire
till its dissolution in 1806, and of the German Confederation from 1815 till
its dissolution in 1866. Only states considered German were members (some,
of course, also included minorities), even if since 1945 people feel
differently. But one should not anachronistically project today's national
feelings backwards.
Now Luxemburg had till 1839 also a lar
Hello List:
It has been about 18 months since I sent a research request to the
Catholic Church of Namborn with no reply. (however, my donation was not
returned)
So I have finally decided to write to the Diocese of Trier. I looked
back over the postings of this list to try to find the correct address.
Can someone make sure I have it right? There were conflicting zip codes
in the trier-l archives.
Bistumsarchiv Trier
Jesuiten Strasse 13b
D 54290 Trier, Germany
And how much money should I send? Ho