You are most kind. Let's see what happens.
Joyce
Michigan - USA
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[mailto:uk-workhouse-hosp-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Williams
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:41 PM
To: uk-workhouse-hosp@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [UK-WORKHOUSE-HOSP] (James Hampson)
Joyce,
I don't know the answer to your question but I suggest that if you receive
no helpful reply from others on the list you could purchase the certificate
for 7 GB
Thank you, Mary, for making the time to provide this information. I'm on it
now.
Best regards.
Joyce Stevens
Michigan, USA
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From: uk-workhouse-hosp-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:uk-workhouse-hosp-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Halletts
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:31 AM
To: uk-workhouse-hosp@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [UK-WORKHOUSE-HOSP] (no subject)
> There is the death of a James Hampson, age 37, registered at Bolton, Lancs
> in the June Quarter of 1887.
> Since a
Hi Beverley,
It would seem likely that the Son in question may well have been the father
of the child and its most likely that the Lady of the house was sympathetic
to Sophia's plight (not always the case). Sophia must have been a trusted
and valued employee, especially to have been asked to witness a will. Sophia
may have been allowed to keep the baby - its possible that whilst she was
working the baby was placed in the care of the Nanny of the household, or
alternatively he was cared for by a relat
> I need some advice please. An ancestor had a baby in St Giles workhouse
> London on the 9th July 1862 she was unmarried and the boy my Great Great
> Grandfather was named William Randall, I'm trying to find out where he
> would be baptised it has been suggested St Giles Church which was nearby.
> 2/ My ancestor Sophia Randall who was the Mother was discharged 6 days
> later. We have found her witnessing a will in 1863 and 1864. What would
> have happened to the baby?
Hi Beverley,
The place of baptis
Good Afternoon
I would like to thank Mary on her most helpful e mails. I guess many girls
had illegimate children ,I may never know all about my Williams early life
but his later life was good he married and had children ,he lived to nearly
80years of age.
Once again thankyou
regards Beverley
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From: "The Halletts"
To:
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-WORKHOUSE-HOSP] Query
> Hi Beverley,
>
Hello Mary
thankyou for answering my e mail. When Sophia witnessed the will she was a
housemaid in Portland Square. The will was for the owner of the House ,the
"Lady" in question had a son who already had illegitmate children but was
married and had 3 sons one son was given the middle name of Randall
Sophia's surname and of course my Gt Gt Grandfathers the baby in question
"William Randall" . Sophia had photos of this Mother and son till her dying
day they it was said meant something to her. I have b
Sorry, I see you have already posted his census records on that site.
It was the wording of your message that made me think you didnt have
confirmation of his voyage.
Judy
On 4 Sep 2007, at 08:03, uk-workhouse-hosp-request@rootsweb.com wrote:
> It was said he was sent with a group from the Church of England on
> board the S.S. Tunisian in July of 1908.
Hi Barara
It does not sound as if you already have this information:
>From http://www.collectionscanada.ca/02/020110_e.html
GIBBS , Henry
Age: 12
Sex: M
Year of arrival: 1908
Microfilm reel: T-4759
Ship: SS Tunisian
Port of departure: Liverpool
Departure Date: 23 Jul 1908
Port of arrival: Quebec
Arrival Date: 31 Jul 1908
Party: Mcpherson's Homes
Destination: Stratford Ontario
Comments: To Mcpherson Homes i/c J M Merry
There was another GIBBS on that trip but it doesn't look as i
Hi Barbara,
Have you looked for him on the 1901 census? He may have already been in the
workhouse so it may not help much. More useful would be the Workhouse
records themselves as they may give information on his parents. Unfotunately
West Ham Union is not the best for surviving records. You will need to
contact Newham Archives at Stratford Reference Library, Water Lane, London,
NE15 4NJ and ask them fror advice.
Macphersons Homes were taken over by Barnados, so you can try contacting
them to enquir
>I can not understand why it was glorified when his treatment was very poor.
>In later years a neighbor of >my mothers who was a class mate of his
>verified this bad treatment.
Hi Barabra,
Sadly the people at that time thought they were doing the best thing.
English society had changed hugely when the industrial revolution shifted a
huge number of people from the countryside into the towns. This change in
living prompted all the welfare reforms of the Victorian era. Previously the
Parish Church had b
> There is the death of a James Hampson, age 37, registered at Bolton, Lancs
> in the June Quarter of 1887.
> Since a James Hampson was my great-grandfather, I am wondering if this
> man
> was mine. My James was in and out of the Bolton Workhouse.
Dear Joyce,
The death register for Bolton has survived along with the admission and
discharge registers for most of the 19th century. So potentially you can
trace his complete history of visits to the workhouse.
All the records are held at Bolton Archive S
Thanks Mary I guess they don't have an email address there.?
Many years ago my Mother contacted Barnardos and they said they didn't have any information on him, however she was directed to another resource which I can't recall at the moment but they told her no birth records were kept for that period. We later found out records were kept for a further back period then Mother was asking for.
I did contact Barnardo's back in 2001, before costs for same came in effect. I did not receive anymore information fro
There is the death of a James Hampson, age 37, registered at Bolton, Lancs
in the June Quarter of 1887.
Since a James Hampson was my great-grandfather, I am wondering if this man
was mine. My James was in and out of the Bolton Workhouse.
Does the Workhouse Death Register for that year still exist. If it does,
how can I check it/have it checked?
Thank you for any information you could provide.
Regards,
Joyce Stevens
>Thanks Mary I guess they don't have an email address there.?
> Many years ago my Mother contacted Barnardos and they said they didn't
> have any information on him, >however she was directed to another resource
> which I can't recall at the moment but they told her no >birth records
> were kept for that period. We later found out records were kept for a
> further back period >then Mother was asking for.
Hi Babara,
I don't have an email address for Newham Archives, but you could try
searching for them
Hi all,
I'm new to the list and my main research interest is the Rochester
(later Southwark) Diocesan Association for the Care of Friendless
Girls.
This organisation was formed by the Bishop of Rochester in 1894, to
reach out to unmarried mothers, prostitutes and girls who were in
danger of being led astray. It endeavoured to link together the
various associations, homes and workers already engaged in Rescue and
Preventative Work with girls in the Diocese, and to encourage new
efforts where most needed.
Joyce,
I don't know the answer to your question but I suggest that if you receive
no helpful reply from others on the list you could purchase the certificate
for 7 GB pounds. The certificate would give the place of residence and the
place of death and also state the person who was present at or reporting the
death. I guess you are not in the UK and may find it difficult to buy the
certificate and so if you finally have to take that course of action I could
buy it for you and scan you a copy then mail you
On 5 Sep 2007, at 08:03, uk-workhouse-hosp-request@rootsweb.com wrote:
> I can not understand why it was glorified when his treatment was
> very poor.
Hi Barbara,
Do you want the one word answer or the half-hour rant (grin). One
word: class.
The rant: charities in those days were run by a bunch of self
satisfied middle class amateurs. Add a touch of socially-motivated
religious cant and half a cup of eugenics (very popular with the
chattering classes at the time) and you have a lethal cockta
> As there was no history of butchers in the family, I wondered if the
> Workhouse had been instrumental in finding employment for these orphans
> and, if so, why they had been sent to London for this.
>
> Please can somebody throw some light on this for me?
Hi Shay,
The workhouses did indeed place orphan children into apprenticeships or
domestic service positions, usually when the children reached 12years old
(14 years by the turn of the 20th century). The workhouse guardians were
concerned that poo
I wonder if you can help me? My GGGrandfather died in Portsea Workhouse, Hampshire on 3rd March 1871 and his wife had died in 1868. He would have been ill for some time.
According to the 1871 census his eldest son was a butcher's boy aged 14 in Camberwell, the next two children aged 12 and 10 are listed in Portsea Workhouse as paupers and also in private houses in Portsmouth as 'orphan stopping with us' and 'visitor' and the youngest daughter aged 8 is in a private house as a visitor.
When I trace the y
Hi Barara
It does not sound as if you already have this information:
>From http://www.collectionscanada.ca/02/020110_e.html
GIBBS , Henry
Age: 12
Sex: M
Year of arrival: 1908
Microfilm reel: T-4759
Ship: SS Tunisian
Port of departure: Liverpool
Departure Date: 23 Jul 1908
Port of arrival: Quebec
Arrival Date: 31 Jul 1908
Party: Mcpherson's Homes
Destination: Stratford Ontario
Comments: To Mcpherson Homes i/c J M Merry
There was another GIBBS on that trip but it doesn't look as i
Barbara,
Newham Archives and Local Studies are housed at Stratford Library. You can
email them direct.
Contact: richard.durack@newham.gov.uk
Stratford Library
3 The Grove
London
E15 1EL
Telephone: 020 8430 6881
HTH
Judy
London, UK
-----Original Message-----
From: uk-workhouse-hosp-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:uk-workhouse-hosp-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Halletts
>Thanks Mary I guess they don't have an email address there.?
-----Original Message-----
Hi Babara,
I don't have an email add
Thank you Judy and Gail...Yes I do have that type of information on my grandfather Henry GIBBS...what I would like to find out is the background information of why he was put into the West Ham Union School and by whom placed him there. I wish to find out the names of his parents, siblings and where he was born. I did hear that he was born in London England but no proof on that as well.
Barbara ' Family Genealogist '
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Good Afternoon
I need some advice please. An ancestor had a baby in St Giles workhouse London on the 9th July 1862 she was unmarried and the boy my Great Great Grandfather was named William Randall, I'm trying to find out where he would be baptised it has been suggested St Giles Church which was nearby.
2/ My ancestor Sophia Randall who was the Mother was discharged 6 days later. We have found her witnessing a will in 1863 and 1864. What would have happened to the baby? any ideas. Also a further curious poi
Hello Group...
I am searching for information on my late grandfather's background.
His name was Henry GIBBS, said to have been born June 30, 1896 ( this may not be factual )
He was in West Ham Union School in Essex from 1901 - 1908 when he was sent to Canada to become a farmboy.
It was said he was sent with a group from the Church of England on board the S.S. Tunisian in July of 1908.
He has said the he recalled having an older brother that kind of looked out for him. Whether this was a brother or a older b
Found this site by googling:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/
sstunisian31jul1908.html
Judy
On 4 Sep 2007, at 08:03, uk-workhouse-hosp-request@rootsweb.com wrote:
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. West Ham Union School 1901 - 1908 (Barbara)
>