Dear Doc,
Thanks for the continuing messages about "The Patriot".
Interesting to note that one can become a "Loyalist" only 3 out of the
8 times - interesting odds !!
Saw various television ads for the movie and noted that it has
already grossed some obscene number of millions of dollars ( 11
million ?) for the Hollywood company that produced it. Still haven't
given in to the temptation to go to my local movie theatre to see it
in person - haven't been to a movie theatre in years - guess I'll wait
----- Original Message -----
From: Brenda Dougall Merriman, CGRS, CGL
To:
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [UEL] Correct me if I am wrong, ... agreed that the
> new country would compensate the Loyalists for their losses.
Yes the American delegation conceded to accept the compensation clause.
However, everyone at the table knew if was merely to let Britian save-face.
Neitherof the two parties ever expected the clause to be
----- Original Message -----
From: Murray McCombs
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:34 AM
Subject: Original MAP - Battle of Bennington VT, 1777
> Those familiar with and have Acrobat Reader on their computers can access
> my Acrobat PDF file of an orginal Map drawn by British engineer Andrew
> Durnford, 1777-78.
>
> Also at this site is an original map drawn by P. Gerlach of the Battle of
> Hubbardton 1777, largely a British and German [Hessian] enga
Hi all
I have one note that a Benjamin RUGGLES (Benjamin, Rev Timothy, Samuel,
Samuel, ......) b 12/11/1741 in Hardwick, Worcester Co. Mass, m Elizabeth FAY
on 11/26/1766. 1777, in Vt died, possibly in a Loyalist fight. The only one
that i know of would be the one under discussion. Does anyone have any
mention of this Benjamin in their data?
thanks
Bill
I'll get this right yet .
This is meant for everyone , not just Brandt .
And to stir up the pot a little more . I've always wondered why my ancestors
would choose to side with the British rather than the Americans . Maybe it's
just the rebel in me but I do not see too many times in Canadian history
when the British did not choose to sell us out . Eg. Alaska , Maine , etc.
Our borders would be a lot different now if the British weren't too busy
trying to appease the Americans . I think we would have been
Dear Brandt, & co
>The underlying argument that Doc M and others have expressed is when "other"
>cultures deny their own heritage to attract foreign tourists. Does Yorkshire
>really need to have a John Paul Jones Festival when its own heritage is so
>rich? For that matter, why would I travel to England to celebrate an
>American naval hero?
My point is - we don't call these events after our own people, but after
someone who would have been quite happy to invade us, and who caused a lot
of damage along vari
----- Original Message -----
From: Murray McCombs
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: MUSTER ROLLS - Battle of Bennington VT, 1777
> The "Loyal Volunteers" commanded by Col. Francis Von Pfister (survivors
> aborbed by Sir Johnson's KRRNY).
>
> Though histories continue to claim that no Muster Roll survived the ARW
and
> the Battle of Bennington, I have found reference to "Subsistence Account"
> and "Pay return of the Volunteers commanded
Sending this request for a non-subscriber.........
Does any one know where Captain MacAlpine's Corps settled?
They fought under General Burgoyne and came up from Schenectady or
Saratogo, Albany County, New York ????
Thanks in Advance.........Cathy Earl
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At 12:00 2000-07-31 -0700, you wrote:
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>Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:16:58 -0400
>From: Tim Curtis
>To: UNITED-EMPIRE-LOYALIST-L@rootsweb.com
>Message-ID: <3985A67A.F1A15010@mountaincable.net>
>Subject: [UEL] UE certificates
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>Not only did my dad and myself get our certificates this year, but as of
>today so has my husband and father-in-law.
>Linda
Congratulatio
Ardis,
Of course you are right. You say that "promoting Loyalist memory and
sacrifice comes from honouring".."heritage and teaching." Hollywood and the
American public are right to promote their heritage to the nth degree.
The underlying argument that Doc M and others have expressed is when "other"
cultures deny their own heritage to attract foreign tourists. Does Yorkshire
really need to have a John Paul Jones Festival when its own heritage is so
rich? For that matter, why would I travel to England to ce
In a message dated 7/3/00 9:19:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
merrigeneal@sympatico.ca writes:
<< Typical Canadian understatement. But you have to BE Canadian to understand
it. >>
I roared when I read this! There is a young Canadian man where I work who
was transferred into our department from one of our British Columbia offices
(I'm in Chicago). Recently, he was tapped to represent our company in the
"Canadian Club" of our fair city in place of someone else from our
organization who was being trans
Hi All,
Until now, I have not participated in this discussion. Although both
sides of my family (paternal (Newfoundland) and maternal (Nova Scotia) are
Canadian, I am the only U.S. born. I have two Loyalist lines (Maxell and
Church) who were forced out of the newly founded nation and sailed to Nova
Scotia circa 1783. But I also have several who were "old settlers" of the
area around Shelburne, N.S. who went there from Massachusetts several years
before the American Revolution (Hardy, Matthews, Allen, et
I am an American and a history buff. Don't know that much but I do beleive
in the truth being represented and not just for making money, like Hollywood
does. I became interested in ancient history before I went to
highschool(1944) and have stuck with history ever since. I don't go to
movies anymore (too old to sit through one of garbage). Even the history
channel that is doing a thing on the Rev. War is all for the Americans. I
do watch it tho, maybe just maybe they will say something good about the
Lo
Thanks to all the efforts of several kind people on this list, I now have my
family websites up an running. They are the families of Joseph HAZLETT
(1755-1827) who came from Scotland to Ontario. his descendants were in the
Lennox & Addington County, Prince Edward County, and Hastings County areas
with some moving on to the US. The website is at:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hazlett
Also the Joseph Huffnail (Huffnagle) Families who were Loualists are located
at:
http://freepages.genealogy.
Thanks, Lorine for this enlightenment of the situation, I am however not
so sure of Reverend Barcley's motives and why he phrased those baptisms
the way he did, was he perhaps not on good terms with the Johnson's?
Perhaps he did not like Lutherans? Was Catherine Weisenberg the
daughter of a Lutheran minister? Perhaps her father performed the
marriage? Too many questions, but to consider Rev. Barclay's entries as
the last word is giving him too much credit. I for one in my research have
found that those Ang
One of my greatest freedoms is that of free speech, other than speech which
endangers, such as crying fire in a crowded theater, the usual example of
unacceptable speech.
I'm glad we all have such freedom to express our beliefs.
I express my horror to the heinous acts of war both my Patriot and Loyalist
ancestors performed. Such is the nature of the beast. To this day, similar
actions are being committed all over our world.
Imagine, if a woman was president, prime minister or whatever, then there
would be
>Hello there: there was a Col. Bayard who led a New York regiment during
>the Revolution. He is listed as such on the petition of my husband's
>ancestor John Post. I checked my Loyalists in the American revolution CD
>#144 and it says that John Bayard was a Lt. Col in the Orange Rangers of
>New York. Trust this is of some help. Debbie Burr, Forest Ontario Canada
Thanks!
Do you know if William Bayard (John's father) had a daughter called
Kitty/Catherine, and another who was a Mrs. Johnstone?
Cheers,
Doc M
Hello All,
A member of the list asked me to list sources for information on Sir
William Johnson with particular emphasis on his military campaigns.
Sir William's papers belonged to the New York State Archive. I am not
sure if they were lost in the fire that destroyed the New Netherlands
papers, but they were published in a 10 plus volume set. These books
are very expensive to purchase, so your best bet would be to check the
university libraries around you to see if they have a set and will allow
you acc
Hello Joyce:
I received many interesting responses to my post regarding The Patriot
Movie...Both agreeing and disagreeing. I too had ancestors on both sides of
the Revolutionary War [This is common during a Civil War]. I have been an
American all of my life and I am proud of some of the things America has
accomplished and not so proud of some of the things that America has stood
for in the past and present. Yes..."War Is Hell!" Atrocities are usually
committed on both sides...Such was the case du
The well-established page by Chris New, 'The Colonial Movie Critic', on
films set in our time-frame, has been updated to include the latest
addition to the genre:
http://users.erols.com/candidus/movies.htm#patriot
Cheers,
Doc M
Dear Bob,
>I just visited the Yorktown area where the Queens Rangers surrendered in
>October 1781. I was informed by a Park Ranger that the officers were
>"paroled" by the Americans, but the rank and file were sent to POW camps
>at Winchester, Virginia and Frederick, Maryland. Can anyone give me
>further information on this? Where is a good history of this unit?
>
>They would not have arrived there until December 1781 and we have them in
>NY City before September of 1783. About a 22 month span. Some of the
Interesting phonecall today from Kirkcaldy Museums, re: the exhib I devised
at Dysart for Major John Pitcairn's 225th anniversary. Apparently the
Pitcairn Heritage Society, which is having its Millennium meeting, is
coming to visit the exhibition. That's 150 Pitcairns from all over the
world (about 2 months' worth of the little MacDouall Stuart Museum's usual
visitor figures) descending on Dysart in one afternoon!
I'll be on hand to assist with shepherding and guiding. It could be
frantic, but definitely fu
Dear Loyalists, dear subscribers of this list!
A very devoted subscriber of my Amrev-Hessian list has posted this
earlier today, and since we have been talking about research in the
State of New York, this may be of great interest to yourself.
Cheers, John Merz.
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 7:56 AM
Subject: Vital Records in NYS
> Hello
>
> I do research full time at NYS Library and Archives and would like
> to list a few of the sources for fin
John,
I thought you were going on vacation, or I would have replied earlier.
I am a direct descendant of Sir William and Sir John Johnson, by way of
John's oldest child, Margaret Johnson and her marriage to James Van
Horne.
As such, I am perfectly comfortable with the idea Sir William lived with
several women, none of whom appear to have been married to him by either
a minister or a justice of the peace, or whatever, and additionally, by
his own count, bedded sufficiently more women to have produced betw