Woody and Ann et al. Again, Thank you all so much for your help. I'll try
to not weary you too much, but it seems no one has any more than I had
originally that will help to fill in the holes in this lineage...huh? I only had
direct lines and I'm trying now to add the other children in each generation.
And it is not easy! LOL!
The following is what I've gleamed from Ann's web-site and from your
correspondence et al. Is this what you have for their children? Ann seems dubious
John is the
I recently heard from someone (in New Zealand, I
believe) who informed me that the children of Anne
Drury cannot claim coats-of-arms for her ancestors;
only males can, or females if they are heiresses (as
she was not--she had 4 brothers and several sisters).
A bit sexist, I'd say!
--- Sandy wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Miles
> Archer Woodlief wrote:
>
> > The rules as to who is of royal or noble birth are
> very clear and have
> > been worked out over centur
FWIW: Based on the following record it appears to me I was correct in
stating he was Capt. of the ship "Margrett."
Kathlynn
The Margrett, 1619
Voyages are listed at ship name on _Ship List_
(http://english-america.com/ships/shp-m10.html#Margrett)
September 16, 1619 The Margrett of "Bristow" (Bristol) departed _London_
(http://english-america.com/places/ln161.html#1619) , for _Virginia_
(http://english-america.com/places/va161.html#1619)
Source: The Voyage ... To Verginia 1619 by Ferdinando
John Woodliffe is listed (among others) in the 2nd Charter of the
Virginia Company (1609).
Does anyone know of additional evidence of his activities between then
and 1619?
Thanks,
Sandy
>
In a previous post, I speculated the "occupation" of Capt. John
Woodliffe (of the 1619 Berkeley Company) may have been that of a
"merchant." However, in re-reading various of the documents and giving
consideration to the full context, I don't think that was the case.
Actually, I don't think Capt. John held an "occupation," per se, unless
perhaps he could be termed "an investor."
I'm now of the opinion that Capt. John was a proper English gentleman of
enough financial means to enable him to invest in
On Wednesday, March 30, 2005, at 06:34 PM, Kathlynn3@aol.com wrote:
> Kathlynn Questions: Opinions anyone?
> 1. Could it be that the date was simply transposed? If so which date
> is
> correct?
> 2. Or, to reiterate, were there two different John Woodlief, one m:
> Jan 5,
> 1609 in Steventon, Buckinghamshire and one m: May 1, 1609 in
> Steventon, Berks.
> ***************************************
Kathlynn,
I'm so sorry that I've only just now found this one of your several
messages. For reasons u
On Friday, April 15, 2005, at 02:50 AM, Allan wrote:
> Regarding Captain John Woodliffe - if he was given the right (or
> instructions)
> to raise a local Militia (or watch) in Virginia he would have to have
> been given
> a suitable rank. So he could have actually been a Captain "travelling
> by sea" as
> opposed to the Captain "in command of the ship". I think someone
> mentioned that
> the crew of the Margaret were to render him and his party all
> assistance? If so,
> this would point to the forme
In a message dated 4/13/05 9:46:46 AM, Kathlynn3@aol.com writes:
> .Any help/comments/opinions requested.
>
I sent the following reply to Kathlynn on 9 April 2005:
The following comes from the ROYAL DESCENT documents that I mentioned in an
earlier e-mail as having come to me from Harriette Knight:
Anne Calthorpe married Sir Robert Drury. He died 1536.
Sir Robert Drury [son of the above] married Elizabeth Brudenell. He died
1575.
Anne Drury [daughter of above] married Robert Woodliffe. He di
Kathlynn and all,
In the event that you may be unaware, it is entirely possible for you to
personally view some of the original records for which you have posted
questions, since these particular registers have been filmed by the LDS
Church. The films may be easily borrowed from Salt Lake at nominal cost
(currently $3.25 per film) through any of their Family History Centers
worldwide. All centers are open to the general public free of charge
without regard to religious affiliation (or lack thereof).
Kathlynn,
What in the world? I am at a loss.
You began emailing me and two other list members offlist, essentially
forming a small mini-list of your own, then you suddenly posted a
message to the full list asking why everyone was posting offlist. In
hindsight, I probably should have responded, "because your messages to
us were offlist." Instead, I offered some of the reasons why people
choose to post offlist. I did not suggest anyone "should" post offlist,
let alone that anyone is somehow required t
On Wednesday, April 13, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Miles Archer Woodlief wrote:
> The rules as to who is of royal or noble birth are very clear and have
> been worked out over centuries. I think any of the Peerage references
> would have the best summary of those rules. Suffice it to say that
> Cap't John was far enough removed from any royal or mere nobility that
> he has no right -- as his descendants do not -- to claim a title or any
> royal or noble rights.
Miles and all,
I would like to add that this
On Wednesday, April 6, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Kathlynn3@aol.com wrote:
> QUESTION: Is there a reason why we are not posting these messages
> through
> the list? It's apparent only a few are going to get their heads
> together and
> work out these discrepancies, however, if everyone else is not aware of
> corrections/additions then any erroneous info. will just continue to
> circulate AND
> continue to cause everyone confusion [needs to be on archives for
> newbies????].
>
> Kathlynn
>
Kathlynn,
You
Okay...Thanks Allan Woodliffe in Wales UK. Your explaining/defining
Gentleman and Esquire is basically the same as how Webster's dictionary defines and
more in line with my original understanding, especially "They were often
distant relatives of the nobility."
Yes Capt. John Woodliffe [Woodlief] comes under a sea captain catagory.
He was the Captain of the ship, Margarett, that brought 38 new settlers from
England to Virginia in 1619.
Kathlynn Johnson [in Texas USA]
In a message dated 4/1/2005 8:43:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
mawoodlief@earthlink.net writes:
My name is Miles Archer Woodlief -- as the first born, as with each
generation for
I do not know how long, the Archer is for Mary Archer(d) . . . a traditional
family, if nothing else.
Thanks Miles, interesting family naming tradition you have. When I had my
children I wanted so desperately to give my maiden name as the middle name for
all....but at the time I was to cowardly to buck the norm.
Sandy, et al, I'm sure these b: dates are incorrect: SWS records originally
had Sarah Pollard b: 1696 in VA her husb, Edward b: 1652 m: 6/12/1690 and
had dtr. Sarah Woodlief b: 1669....all kinds of impossibilities, especially
mother Sarah b: bef. dtr Sarah? I discerned maybe the dates were inadvertently
switched and so I changed to vice versa, but it still doesn't fit exactly ie
makes Edward 17 years older than Sarah Pollard????
What dates do you have? Any corrections/additions and any docu
Hi Sandy, Woody, Ann et al,
I want to preface this message:It is not my intent to be defiant or go
against your request for protocol, Sandy, [re: your 2 post to me with CC: to list
on 4-6-2005]. You are the list manager! However, I do not agree with the
establishing of the "mini list" and I have to add that I have never been on a
list with this type of requirement. It has been my understanding that is what
rootsweb listservs are for i.e. to include/avail all descendant/researchers
the opportu
To All:
Please correspond to one another on the Woodlief website. As many questions may be asked and answers given that may be of interest to so many of us who subscribe to the list. We can only learn from one another that way, and new members may have information that others might not, and if we correspond individually, we may miss something of great importance to our own genealogy. Several of the Woodliefs have quiet a bit of information I would hope that they would like for all to share.
Best regards,
On Friday, April 15, 2005, at 03:39 PM, Kathlynn3@aol.com wrote:
> [Sr. George Yardley
> was governor in VA this time....wasn't he?].
"governor" = one who governs
George Yeardley was governor of Colonial Virginia, which included
multiple colonies.
John Woodliffe was 'Captain and governor' of one of those colonies,
specifically the Berkeley colony.
> Am I correct in understanding he was only there for abt. a year, thence,
> held that position for only a year?
I don't want to misinterpret your questi
I'm forwarding Allan's message (which bounced) while we try to
straighten out his list subscription addy.
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Begin forwarded message:
Date: Thu Apr 14, 2005 03:48:56 AM US/Central
To:
Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [WOODLIEF] Woodlief/Drury's/Brudenell
named on 2nd VA charter
Dear all,
Having come into this discussion part way, so to speak, I hope I am not
putting
my foot in my mouth.
The term "Gentleman" was most often used for those untitled people who
had
(
Okay....Woody thanks again for your help. Your probably right in your
discernment, as a beginner I'm definitely not as familiar with it all as you Sandy
and Ann and others are, therefore, I probably don't qualify for input.
However, I'm wondering why Ferdinando Yates never mentioned by name the Captain
of the ship, if the ships Captain was factually another person other that
Captain John Woodlief, he constantly refers only to Captain John Woodlefe,
Woodleefe.
It is my understanding that cu
Okay Sandy, I guess I've got it. However, as I have only stated, or at
least I try to be specific and say he is "of noble or royal birth." Or "has royal
ancestry." Or "connects to Royalty." If I proclaimed HE was royal, then I
did so inadvertently. In my feeble/shallow understanding it is correct to
say "he is of" which is entirely different than saying "he is."
Kathlynn
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In a message dated 4/13/2005 10:08:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,
teylu@earthlink.net writ
Stored in the recesses of my mind from someone/somewhere in the distant
past, I was told English Esquire was the same as USA Attorney....however, I
refrained from mentioning it in my previous post because the dictionary doesn't
define as such.
Does any one know or have any opinions on what it means in regards to Capt.
John I, emigrant from England to VA?
Kathlynn
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