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Here's an example: Land in Town of Pompey, Lot 12, beginning at SW corner of the land purchased by David Scovil of Jabez Gidley; S on N-S Road 11 rds; E 8 rds; N 11 rds to S line of Scovil land; W on S line 8 rds to POB. [Onondaga County Deeds, Book E:289] The original survey is part of the New York Military Tract. Lot 12 is about 600 acres. The above 1798 transaction involves about 1/2 acres somewhere in the greater lot. Although the deed describes a perfect 11 x 8 rectangle of land, it is ambiguous for several reasons - we don't know where Scovil's property lies in Lot 12 nor do we know where the north-south road passes thorough. I don't know how the title was ultimately resolved in this case but something to the effect of "beginning at a point 50 rds south and 50 west of the northeast corner of Lot 12..." would resolve the problem. Jan Tripp Ann Arbor, MI > > > > > > > > > > . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > APG-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:APG-request@rootsweb.com> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > APG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to APG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Jan E. Tripp" <jan_tripp@comcast.net> 2009-01-06T09:54:11-06:00 Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/APG/2009-01/1231265730 Richard, I read Barbara's initial question to be whether or not one needed precise angles/degree info in order for deed plotting software to be useful. I've been looking at land records in the area around Middletown, CT. primarily pre-Revolutionary War records. Many don't include angles, etc in the property description. They do include landmarks, neighbors, and basic directions (N, E, W, S). I've been following this discussion with great interest, because I, also, would like to find a tool to help me integrate these records and wonder in what ways deed plotting software would help. some examples (still wrestling with some transcription problems, noted with brackets): @1726, Middletown Land Records 02:388 (Robert Hubbard to Josiah Cook) (LDS film 0004792): "the equal third part of a certain lotment of Land within ye township affore said Middletown; on ye East Side of Conecticott River In the Great Lotts which third part containeth eighty three acres & half an acre more or less. Being bounded easterly on undivided Land, westerly on ye Great River Northerly on a lot origenally Wm Lucas.s. and Southly on George Hubbards Land a part of ye same Lot and [?] third part is twenty one rods & two thirds of a Rod broad. there being allowance for convenient th[?] [?] highways" 1764, Middletown Land Records 20:212 (Joseph Parke to Reuben Cook) (LDS film 0004802): "one certain piece of Land lying in the Parish of Middle Haddam in said Middletown containing twenty rods of Land lying four Rods wide Northerly and Southerly and five Rods long Easterly and Westerly, and is bounded Easterly on a Highway, Northerly on Joshua[Joshia?] Cook's Land, Westerly and Southerly on my own Land" 1794, East Hampton Land Records 08:064 (Josiah Cook to Amos Steele) (LDS film 1378221): "one certain peace of land lying in said Chatham and is Deliniated as follws (viz) Beginning at the Northwest corner of the peace now sold, at a heap of stones in the south line of Hoziah smiths land Run South 14 Degs, East Eighteene Rods to a heap of stones then East 2 degs South Nineteene Rods and Eight links to a heap of stones in the line of sd Amos Steeeles land. then North 171/2 degs West Nineteene Rods and fifteene links to the Northwest Corner of said Amos Steeles land then West 3 degs South Eighteene Rods & three links to the first mentioned Corner. Containing two acres & Twenty two Rods of land and is bounded North on Hoziah Smith land West and south on my own Land & East on the said Amos Steeles Land" Despite the presence of 'same name', I do not know if these lands are 'the same' (or part of the original). One of the questions I would like to try to answer. LOL Richard, I have many, many land records of the above types. Just thought these 3 were somewhat representative, not chosen for any purpose other than examples for this discussion about the using deed plotting software. Linda Gardner Acton, MA > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try > From: "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> > Date: Tue, January 06, 2009 11:20 am > To: <apg@rootsweb.com> > > > "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> wrote in response to Richard's > comments below: > > > chard, that would be highly unusual in a rural mountainous area. > > Of course it would. But I was talking about the specific case Susan outlined > ("in cases such as you describe") - a deed for a lot in a town in the east. > Where did the mountains come from? > > Susan responded to my question to you - can you give me examples of the many > deeds you say you have that do not contain distances or directions in them? > > Richard P. > linda@fpr.com 2009-01-06T11:15:30-06:00 [APG] Illegal immigrants - Chinese Exclusion http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/APG/2009-01/1231264437 The 1882 Act suspended immigration of Chinese laborers but permitted the Chinese who were already in the U.S. by 1880 to stay here. If they wished to travel abroad and return they were required to file certain paper work. There was an exempt status for teachers, students, merchants, and travelers. The 1892 Act was more limiting. Chinese were required to register and obtain a certificate of identity or residence as proof of their right to be in the U.S. They could be imprisoned or deported if they did not have the proper paper work or witnesses. Trish Nicola Patricia "Trish" Hackett Nicola, CG www.familytraces.com Seattle, WA CG and Certified Genealogist are Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists used under license after periodic evaluations by the Board. http://www.BCGcertification.org/ -----Original Message----- From: bcg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bcg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of myravg@wamail.net Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:01 AM To: Gladys Friedman Paulin Cc: apg@rootsweb.com; bcg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BCG] Illegal Ancestors In response to: > There was no concept of illegal entry until the naturalization act of June 1906 (effective in September 1906). < Technically, there was. There was the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. Also there was the Slave Trading Act (1807/1808) designed to prevent importation of slaves, particularly from Africa. http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu/immigration/themes-exclusion.html The 1790 Naturalization Act of the U.S. limited citizenship to free white persons. However, naturalization and immigration are two different items, since U.S. citizenship in the past has never been required of immigrants. Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BCG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Trish Nicola" <btnicola@earthlink.net> 2009-01-06T10:53:57-06:00 Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/APG/2009-01/1231258819 "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> wrote in response to Richard's comments below: > chard, that would be highly unusual in a rural mountainous area. Of course it would. But I was talking about the specific case Susan outlined ("in cases such as you describe") - a deed for a lot in a town in the east. Where did the mountains come from? Susan responded to my question to you - can you give me examples of the many deeds you say you have that do not contain distances or directions in them? Richard P. ________________________________ From: Richard A. Pence <richardpence@pipeline.com> To: apg@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 11:33:50 PM Subject: Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try Susan, in cases such as you describe I would expect that the lots are all rectangular and I would further expect to find a plat for the entire town and perhaps a method for matching the various owners' lots to the town plat. Richard P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUSAN WELLINGTON" <SUSANWELLINGTON@msn.com> To: <apg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try > All the deeds I have found for some ancestors in Durham Greene Co NY > 1826-1836 mention direction and relationship to adjoining neighbors and > other family members. For instance > .... ALL that certain Lot or Lots of Land in the said town of Durham and > is Bounded as following Beginning at the North Easterly corner of the said > Lot or Lots on the corner of Barnard Bagley's land and of Levi Somers > deceased thence Southerly along said Somers land to the Land of James > Tyler thence Westerly along the lands of Nathaniel Mead thence as his > line ---to the land of Philip Waggoner thence as his house to the land of > Isaac Sears Junior thence along said Land to the place of Beginning > the --- --- Lot or Lots of Land being the premises now occupied by the > above named grantor containing about one hundred and ninety four > acres..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard A. Pence<mailto:richardpence@pipeline.com> > To: apg@rootsweb.com<mailto:apg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try > > > "Barbara de Mare" > <barbarademare@yahoo.com<mailto:barbarademare@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > >> Do any of these deed plotting programs work with descriptions that > give > >> distances (sometimes) but not angles, etc.? > Most of the ones have in mind just follow lines of neighbors to the oak > tree, etc.<< > > I've seen deeds that sometimes omit a direction (presumably an overlooked > copying error) but I can't recall a situation where "most" have just > neighbors to oak trees, etc. Do you have some examples? > > Richard P. > Fairfax, Virginia > > > > > > > > > > . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > APG-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:APG-request@rootsweb.com> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > APG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to APG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> 2009-01-06T09:20:19-06:00 Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/APG/2009-01/1231216430 Susan, in cases such as you describe I would expect that the lots are all rectangular and I would further expect to find a plat for the entire town and perhaps a method for matching the various owners' lots to the town plat. Richard P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUSAN WELLINGTON" <SUSANWELLINGTON@msn.com> To: <apg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try > All the deeds I have found for some ancestors in Durham Greene Co NY > 1826-1836 mention direction and relationship to adjoining neighbors and > other family members. For instance > .... ALL that certain Lot or Lots of Land in the said town of Durham and > is Bounded as following Beginning at the North Easterly corner of the said > Lot or Lots on the corner of Barnard Bagley's land and of Levi Somers > deceased thence Southerly along said Somers land to the Land of James > Tyler thence Westerly along the lands of Nathaniel Mead thence as his > line ---to the land of Philip Waggoner thence as his house to the land of > Isaac Sears Junior thence along said Land to the place of Beginning > the --- --- Lot or Lots of Land being the premises now occupied by the > above named grantor containing about one hundred and ninety four > acres..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard A. Pence<mailto:richardpence@pipeline.com> > To: apg@rootsweb.com<mailto:apg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try > > > "Barbara de Mare" > <barbarademare@yahoo.com<mailto:barbarademare@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > >> Do any of these deed plotting programs work with descriptions that > give > >> distances (sometimes) but not angles, etc.? > Most of the ones have in mind just follow lines of neighbors to the oak > tree, etc.<< > > I've seen deeds that sometimes omit a direction (presumably an overlooked > copying error) but I can't recall a situation where "most" have just > neighbors to oak trees, etc. Do you have some examples? > > Richard P. > Fairfax, Virginia > > > > > > > > > > . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > APG-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:APG-request@rootsweb.com> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > APG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> 2009-01-05T21:33:50-06:00 Re: [APG] Historians and Genealogists http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/APG/2009-01/1231208372 Carolyn Earle Billlingsley <cebillingsley@earthlink.net> wrote: > Richard A. Pence wrote: >> Historians are a lot of fun but they need help with their research >> techniques! > HEY! Don't tar us all with the same feathers! > As genealogists. we don't like it when we are stereotyped. Historians, > ditto <g>. You're right. I should have correctly stated my case. Perhaps as it might appear in an academic tome: Some Historians in Selected Circumstances Might Require Exposure to Additional Research Techniques Commonly Employed by Those Engage In Other Research Fields, Present Company Excepted. <grad> Richard P. "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> 2009-01-05T19:19:32-06:00 Re: [APG] Historians and Genealogists http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/APG/2009-01/1231203631 Richard A. Pence wrote: > Historians are a lot of fun but they need help with their research > techniques! HEY! Don't tar us all with the same feathers! As genealogists. we don't like it when we are stereotyped. Historians, ditto <g>. Carolyn Earle Billlingsley <cebillingsley@earthlink.net> 2009-01-05T18:00:31-06:00 Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/APG/2009-01/1231197311 All the deeds I have found for some ancestors in Durham Greene Co NY 1826-1836 mention direction and relationship to adjoining neighbors and other family members. For instance .... ALL that certain Lot or Lots of Land in the said town of Durham and is Bounded as following Beginning at the North Easterly corner of the said Lot or Lots on the corner of Barnard Bagley's land and of Levi Somers deceased thence Southerly along said Somers land to the Land of James Tyler thence Westerly along the lands of Nathaniel Mead thence as his line ---to the land of Philip Waggoner thence as his house to the land of Isaac Sears Junior thence along said Land to the place of Beginning the --- --- Lot or Lots of Land being the premises now occupied by the above named grantor containing about one hundred and ninety four acres..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard A. Pence<mailto:richardpence@pipeline.com> To: apg@rootsweb.com<mailto:apg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com<mailto:barbarademare@yahoo.com>> wrote: >> Do any of these deed plotting programs work with descriptions that give >> distances (sometimes) but not angles, etc.? Most of the ones have in mind just follow lines of neighbors to the oak tree, etc.<< I've seen deeds that sometimes omit a direction (presumably an overlooked copying error) but I can't recall a situation where "most" have just neighbors to oak trees, etc. Do you have some examples? Richard P. Fairfax, Virginia . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to APG-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:APG-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "SUSAN WELLINGTON" <SUSANWELLINGTON@msn.com> 2009-01-05T16:15:11-06:00 Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/APG/2009-01/1231195200 Richard- Well, I know I'm STILL looking for the location of "Spring Branch" of Major's Run (a branch of Salem Creek) mentioned not only in a Salem County, NJ deed--but also in an 1821 NJ Supreme Court encroachment case brought against one of my ancestors. <g> Other boundaries mentioned were an old Oak Tree and neighbor's property. I suspect Spring Branch dried up many years ago and the oak tree is no longer even a stump. One of my favorites was a Burlington County, NJ deed that listed "The Green Tree" as a boundary--thought I'd not be able to locate this one until I learned "The Green Tree" was a tavern. Joan In a message dated 1/5/2009 5:27:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, richardpence@pipeline.com writes: I've seen deeds that sometimes omit a direction (presumably an overlooked copying error) but I can't recall a situation where "most" have just neighbors to oak trees, etc. Do you have some examples? Richard P. Fairfax, Virginia JYoung6180@aol.com 2009-01-05T15:40:00-06:00 Re: [APG] deed plotting programs--3rd try http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/APG/2009-01/1231194095 "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Do any of these deed plotting programs work with descriptions that give >> distances (sometimes) but not angles, etc.? Most of the ones have in mind just follow lines of neighbors to the oak tree, etc.<< I've seen deeds that sometimes omit a direction (presumably an overlooked copying error) but I can't recall a situation where "most" have just neighbors to oak trees, etc. Do you have some examples? Richard P. Fairfax, Virginia "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> 2009-01-05T15:21:35-06:00