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Rootsweb.com RSS Feed for BROWN http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BROWN Rootsweb.com RSS feed for BROWN en-us Copyright 2005 by MyFamily.inc 2008-11-20T08:18:51-06:00 helpdesk@rootsweb.com helpdesk@rootsweb.com Rootsweb.com 2005-05-01T00:00:00-06:00 1 hourly Re: [BROWN] Lucinda, Daniel, Henry Brown 1840-1855 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BROWN/2008-11/1227194331 Please e-mail me at _twhrose@aol.com_ (mailto:twhrose@aol.com) if any of your Browns include a Clarence Henry Brown, near Columbia Tennessee, mid-1800's. This line would include Wantland. Thanks, Janice Brown O'Brien. **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) Twhrose@aol.com 2008-11-20T08:18:51-06:00 Re: [BROWN] Lucinda, Daniel, Henry Brown 1840-1855 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BROWN/2008-11/1227192744 Try this site http://www.davidrumsey.com/index.html it might be helpful. Wanda Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary A Kunkle" <mary.kunkle@juno.com> To: <BROWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:23 PM Subject: [BROWN] Lucinda, Daniel, Henry Brown 1840-1855 >I guess what I am wondering is how easily people could get >around this > area since it is so mountainous in a lot of the area and > has so many > large rivers and creeks. Present day maps are > crisscrossed with roads. > I doubt there were that many roads back then. I read a > book about the > settling of Tennessee but the time period was 1790 to > 1805, long before > my ancestors started trekking around. In the book, most > travel was done > by canoes via the rivers. Does anyone know of any maps on > the Internet > that would be from the mid to late 1800's? > > Thanks much. > Mary (Brown) Flowers > Midlothian, TX > > From: "Carolyn S. Howard" <CarolynSHoward@comcast.net> > > Well, as far as I know, I certainly don't think it was > easy travelling, > but > they could have done it, I'm think. There was no other > form of > transportation that I know of, other than by wagon trains, > by horseback, > by > stagecoach, or by boats or steamboats. Also, railroads > powered by steam > locomotion were started up fairly early. Does anybody > know of any other > forms of transportation during that time frame? You can > go on the > Internet, > you know, and put any word up at the top, like railroad > history, > steamboat > history, whatever, and press "Search" and see what you > get. Good luck. > > Sue Howard > > >> Could this family have easily travelled from NC, to AL >> and then back to >> TN during this time period of their births? >> Can anyone point me to any writings from this period that >> describe the >> modes of transportation in these areas after 1840 to >> 1870's? >> >> Thanks much. >> Mary (Brown) Flowers >> Midlothian, TX > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2i4KuMpzcxNh4tGKbc1XFbFoPZPlgXtuINoDRDYUP5459sx/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message "Wanda Brown" <wlbrown@sbcglobal.net> 2008-11-20T07:52:24-06:00 Re: [BROWN] Lucinda, Daniel, Henry Brown 1840-1855 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BROWN/2008-11/1227168705 Hi Mary, Try this link. It seems to have quite a lot of info. http://www.tngenweb.org/maps/ Also have to ask, and maybe I already have, but I have Kunkles in my ancestry - from PA. Are you'rs from there too? Wouldn't that be a hoot!!? Beth On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Mary A Kunkle <mary.kunkle@juno.com>wrote: > I guess what I am wondering is how easily people could get around this > area since it is so mountainous in a lot of the area and has so many > large rivers and creeks. Present day maps are crisscrossed with roads. > I doubt there were that many roads back then. I read a book about the > settling of Tennessee but the time period was 1790 to 1805, long before > my ancestors started trekking around. In the book, most travel was done > by canoes via the rivers. Does anyone know of any maps on the Internet > that would be from the mid to late 1800's? > > Thanks much. > Mary (Brown) Flowers > Midlothian, TX "Beth Golden" <gramssearch4family@gmail.com> 2008-11-20T01:11:45-06:00 [BROWN] Lucinda, Daniel, Henry Brown 1840-1855 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BROWN/2008-11/1227154982 I guess what I am wondering is how easily people could get around this area since it is so mountainous in a lot of the area and has so many large rivers and creeks. Present day maps are crisscrossed with roads. I doubt there were that many roads back then. I read a book about the settling of Tennessee but the time period was 1790 to 1805, long before my ancestors started trekking around. In the book, most travel was done by canoes via the rivers. Does anyone know of any maps on the Internet that would be from the mid to late 1800's? Thanks much. Mary (Brown) Flowers Midlothian, TX From: "Carolyn S. Howard" <CarolynSHoward@comcast.net> Well, as far as I know, I certainly don't think it was easy travelling, but they could have done it, I'm think. There was no other form of transportation that I know of, other than by wagon trains, by horseback, by stagecoach, or by boats or steamboats. Also, railroads powered by steam locomotion were started up fairly early. Does anybody know of any other forms of transportation during that time frame? You can go on the Internet, you know, and put any word up at the top, like railroad history, steamboat history, whatever, and press "Search" and see what you get. Good luck. Sue Howard > Could this family have easily travelled from NC, to AL and then back to > TN during this time period of their births? > Can anyone point me to any writings from this period that describe the > modes of transportation in these areas after 1840 to 1870's? > > Thanks much. > Mary (Brown) Flowers > Midlothian, TX ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2i4KuMpzcxNh4tGKbc1XFbFoPZPlgXtuINoDRDYUP5459sx/ Mary A Kunkle <mary.kunkle@juno.com> 2008-11-19T21:23:02-06:00 Re: [BROWN] Lucinda, Daniel, Henry Brown 1840-1855 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BROWN/2008-11/1227127139 Here's one web site address for railroad history: http://www.historync.org/railroads.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary A Kunkle" <mary.kunkle@juno.com> To: <BROWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: [BROWN] Lucinda, Daniel, Henry Brown 1840-1855 > Lucinda Brown, born 1840 NC married William Harrison EUDY in TN > > A family story says Daniel Brown, born 1852(3) AL says that Daniel > married his niece. He married Lauranie(Lou) EUDY, daughter of Lucinda > (Brown) EUDY. > > Henry D. Brown born 1855 TN is brother of Daniel. > > These people converge on Celina, TN in the early 1870's. Daniel married > Lauranie EUDY and Henry married Julia DILWORTH in Celina, TN in the same > year. > > We can find no census where these people are together until 1900 in > Temple Hill, Glasgow, Barren County, KY. > > Could this family have easily travelled from NC, to AL and then back to > TN during this time period of their births? > Can anyone point me to any writings from this period that describe the > modes of transportation in these areas after 1840 to 1870's? > > Thanks much. > Mary (Brown) Flowers > Midlothian, TX > ____________________________________________________________ > Sleep with security. Protect your family with a home security system > today. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw25c9hwouaFNY5wkFG2Hw46YnIdedYd6Y5iJzOXlxL4c3t2V/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message "Carolyn S. Howard" <CarolynSHoward@comcast.net> 2008-11-19T13:38:59-06:00 Re: [BROWN] Lucinda, Daniel, Henry Brown 1840-1855 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BROWN/2008-11/1227127049 Well, as far as I know, I certainly don't think it was easy travelling, but they could have done it, I'm think. There was no other form of transportation that I know of, other than by wagon trains, by horseback, by stagecoach, or by boats or steamboats. Also, railroads powered by steam locomotion were started up fairly early. Does anybody know of any other forms of transportation during that time frame? You can go on the Internet, you know, and put any word up at the top, like railroad history, steamboat history, whatever, and press "Search" and see what you get. Good luck. Sue Howard > Could this family have easily travelled from NC, to AL and then back to > TN during this time period of their births? > Can anyone point me to any writings from this period that describe the > modes of transportation in these areas after 1840 to 1870's? > > Thanks much. > Mary (Brown) Flowers > Midlothian, TX > ____________________________________________________________ > Sleep with security. Protect your family with a home security system > today. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw25c9hwouaFNY5wkFG2Hw46YnIdedYd6Y5iJzOXlxL4c3t2V/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message "Carolyn S. Howard" <CarolynSHoward@comcast.net> 2008-11-19T13:37:29-06:00 [BROWN] Lucinda, Daniel, Henry Brown 1840-1855 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BROWN/2008-11/1227124752 Lucinda Brown, born 1840 NC married William Harrison EUDY in TN A family story says Daniel Brown, born 1852(3) AL says that Daniel married his niece. He married Lauranie(Lou) EUDY, daughter of Lucinda (Brown) EUDY. Henry D. Brown born 1855 TN is brother of Daniel. These people converge on Celina, TN in the early 1870's. Daniel married Lauranie EUDY and Henry married Julia DILWORTH in Celina, TN in the same year. We can find no census where these people are together until 1900 in Temple Hill, Glasgow, Barren County, KY. Could this family have easily travelled from NC, to AL and then back to TN during this time period of their births? Can anyone point me to any writings from this period that describe the modes of transportation in these areas after 1840 to 1870's? Thanks much. Mary (Brown) Flowers Midlothian, TX ____________________________________________________________ Sleep with security. Protect your family with a home security system today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw25c9hwouaFNY5wkFG2Hw46YnIdedYd6Y5iJzOXlxL4c3t2V/ Mary A Kunkle <mary.kunkle@juno.com> 2008-11-19T12:59:12-06:00 [BROWN] Brown/Lee Brown/McCreery/ McCrery Brown/Johnson http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BROWN/2008-11/1227028904 Hello all Brown researchers; William's parents names taken from marriage record William Henry (Brown) Bryant age 26 Edith Margaret Clawson age 16. William Henry (Brown) Bryant was born 3 Nov 1868 Washington, Delaware, Indiana This is my grandfather; we also through my brother have taken a DNA and so far no Brown matches. I have tracked both parents of William Henry Brown (my grandfather) this I hope fits one of you out there I don't think DNA is a quick fix. I am still tracking to see who had my grandfather until I found him in the 1880 census In the home of Thomas F & Catherine (Harty) Bryant stated taken to raise. Thomas and Catherine did not marry until 1871 and Catherine was with her family and 16 years of age in 1870 census. This is my grandfather's half brothers and sisters. Sarah C Brown William's first wife Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Birth Place: North Carolina Gender: Female Home in 1850(City,County,State): District 24, Delaware, Indiana Household Members: Name Age Sarah C Brown 21 Wm Brown 27 The census of William Henry Brown; 1860; with his first wife Sarah Ann Catherine Lee. (I researched her) with their children. Sarah A C Brown Age in 1860: 32 Birth Year: abt 1828 Birthplace: North Carolina Home in 1860: Washington, Delaware, Indiana Gender: Female Post Office: New Comer Value of real estate: View Image Household Members: Name Age William Brown 37 Sarah A C Brown 32 Samuel P Brown 7 Emiline Brown 5 Mary J Brown 5 Thomas Barrett 21 Now I tracked the second wife and children Hannah McCreery b Tuscarawas, Ohio, Married 20 Mar 1866 Home in 1870: Washington, Delaware, Indiana Race: White Gender: Male Value of real estate: View Image Post Office: Muncie Household Members: Name Age William Brown 50 Hannah Brown 38 Samuel P Brown 17 Aisley e Brown 15 Anna J Brown 12 Nathan A J Brown 8 Sarah's; children up Sarah E Brown 2 Hannah's; children down Cora Etta Brown 4/12 Mary E Myers 10 As you can see my grandfather is in none of the families including in the search I did on his mother Ellen Johnson; It has been listed Ellen was a housekeeper but not that I could find in the Brown home. I tracked Samuel P Brown through to 1910 census there were no children also 1920 In that census it stated no children born to this couple. This is a half brother of my grandfather. Samuel P. Brown Born: Nov 1852 Delaware County, Indiana. Died: 1924 Married about 1875 Indiana Spouse; Sarah J Birth: Oct 1857 Indiana. Death: 1936 I am working on Nathan Nathan A J Brown Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Age in 1870: 8 Birthplace: Indiana Home in 1870: Washington, Delaware, Indiana Race: White Gender: Male Nathan A J Brown Spouse Name: Mary A Janney Marriage Date: 5 Feb 1882 Marriage County: Delaware Source Title 1: Delaware County, Indiana Source Title 2: Index to Marriage Record 1827-1920 Inclusive Volum Source Title 3: W. P. A. Original Record Located: County Clerk's O Book: C7 OS Page: 546 Nathan A Brown [Nathan A J Brown] Home in 1900: Washington, Delaware, Indiana Age: 38 Birth Date: Sep 1861 Birthplace: Indiana Race: White Ethnicity: American Relationship to head-of-house: Head Father's Birthplace: Ohio Mother's Birthplace: Indiana Spouse's Name: Mary A Marriage Year: 1881 Marital Status: Married Years Married: 19 Residence : Washington Township (North Half), Delaware, Indiana Occupation: View Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Nathan A Brown 38 Mary A Brown 37 Walter S Brown 12 Omer V Brown 10 Idona M Brown 4 B Brown 2 ---------------------tracked B Brown is Zilla C Brown b Apr 1898 Work in progress on this Nathan Brown family; looking for living link here for DNA. My grandfather took the name Bryant some time after the 1880 census; I was told his mother tried to get him back but he did not want to go with her. My cousin said he was told the father went to get him but he would not go with him. So we don't know just what happened but we do know we are of the Brown's and Johnson's line. Thanks for any reply or idea's Ellie Warsaw MO. "Eleanor Prieskorn" <dalell@embarqmail.com> 2008-11-18T10:21:44-06:00 Re: [BROWN] DNA http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BROWN/2008-11/1226870609 Jim; I can't find # 55 can you instruct me to it. Eleanor (Ellie) -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jimbrown848@bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:05 PM To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BROWN] DNA Eleanor, My DNA data is listed on both BrownSocietyDNA as well as Ancestry.com for you to be able to check out. In answer to your question, no I did not come back with a match for a "Rock" family. I am shown under group #55 as Samuel James Brown,Jr....I think you and I have corresponded before,but not sure. God Bless Jim -------------- Original message from "Eleanor Prieskorn" <dalell@embarqmail.com>: -------------- > > In the meantime, given the lack of matches to Browns, I've listed Gerald's > DNA numbers among our "unique haplotype" membership, on this page: > > > http://brownsociety.org/browndna/unique.html > ELB > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Barbara Brown Allen > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:16 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] DNA > > What is the Haplogroup for this Brown? Barbara > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Eleanor Prieskorn > >Sent: Nov 6, 2008 8:36 AM > >To: brown@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [BROWN] DNA > > > >Hello list; RE; William Henry Brown b 3 Nov, 1868 Indiana (My grandfather) > > > > > > > >We did our DNA and a 100% came back from a 37 marker to a Rock family, > > > >has any other Brown family done this. > > > > > > > >The father and mother of my grandfather was William Henry Brown b between > >1820-1829 In Ohio; died in Indiana 1889; his mother was Ellen Johnson b > 1835 > >Ohio and dies in Indiana 1901. > > > > > > > >William H Brown was married to Sarah A Catherine Lee b 1828; they had 4 > >children > > > >Samuel P Brown; Emeline Brown ; Mary J Brown; and Nathan Brown > > > > > > > >With his second wife Hannah McCreery b 1832 they had 2 children Sarah E > >Brown & Cora Etta Brown. > > > > > > > >Does anyone connect to this Brown family. > > > > > > > >ELB > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > _________________________________________________ > "Second star to the right . . . straight on 'til morning." > -- J.M. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 7:58 AM "Eleanor Prieskorn" <dalell@embarqmail.com> 2008-11-16T14:23:29-06:00 [BROWN] Brown and Rumsey Cayuga and Tompkins Co. NY http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BROWN/2008-11/1226219300 Hello List - recently I was contacted about an Emma C. Brown who married Harrison Rumsey who lived in Newfield, NY. Originally the person who contacted me thought she had been born in 1855 in Lodi, CAYUGA Co - but when I looked into it further i found that she had been born in LOCKE - Cayuga Co. The question asked of me was who her parents were..... I eventually determined that Emma C. Brown must be the daughter of Warren and Roxie Brown of Cayuga Co. Here is all what I came up with which I shared with the person who asked the question and thought perhaps I might share you since I just got a photo of Warren and Roxie Brown from the person who had been asking for help. If anyone is related to Warren and Roxie and would like a copy of the photo I could send it to you. #1 - I don't believe that Emma was born in Lodi - I think she was born in Locke, Cayuga Co they look similar - your website noted Lodi, Cayuga County - Lodi was in fact part of Cayuga Co up until about ??? 1804 but had been Seneca County for nearly 50 years when Emma was born. I think it's a case of unintentional human error. Working from this Friday Aug 7th, 1925 article in the Genoa Tribune - a Cayuga County Newspaper (From Nearby Town's Section)--- we link up a Norman Brown with an Elmer Rumsey ---- so I then traced this Norman Brown to see how old he was and what I could learn about him. The article said: Mr. and Mrs. Norman Brown and family, Leo Pulsen sp? and Ralph Hamlin sp? Sunday guest at Elmer Rumsey's in Newfield. Unable to find Emma and determining that Norman "COULD" be from the same family as Emma I followed Norman L. Brown ---- below is Norman in the 1930 Census - through 1880 where I find him with his parents. 1930 Census Venice, Cayuga Co. Norman L. Brown head ae 67 Grace A. Brown wife ae 67 Edith M. Brown daughter ae 37 Leon W. Brown son ae 33 1920 Census Venice, Cayuga Co, Norman L. Brown head ae 57 Grace A. Brown wife ae 43 Lynn W. Brown (Male) son ae 23 1910 Census Locke, Cayuga Co. Norman Brown * head ae 47 Grace Brown wife ae 48 Leon Brown son ae 14 (There is a transcription error here - the index says William Brown - but it's clearly Norman if you look at it - someone has already noticed it and offered a transcription already) 1900 Genoa Cayuga Co. Norman Brown head ae 37 Grace wife ae 39 Edith M. dau ae 9 Leon son ae 5 1880 Locke, Cayuga Co. Warren Brown head ae 63 <------- these people are Norman's parents and they are of age that they could be Emma's parents. Roxa Brown wife ae 57 Hattie Brown dau ae 23 Helen Brown dau ae 20 Norman Brown son ae 17 Having found Norman L. Brown's parents I wanted to see if I could ever find them with Emma as a daughter..... 1870 Locke, Cayuga Co. Warren Brown head ae 53 Roxie wife ae 47 Anson son 21 Harriet dau 12 Helen dau 10 Norman son 7 <- here is Norman but where is Emma? Solomon Willis ? ae 96 <----- I bet you will find that this is Roxie's father..... or at least some relation. 1860 Locke, Cayuga Co. Warren Brown head ae 43 Roxey wife ae 39 Margrette dau ae 18 Sarah J. dau ae 13 Asil (must be Amson) ae 10 Frances ae 9 Emma ae 6 <------- there you go - Emma born about 1855 - I would bet that this is your Emma. Ellen Brown ae 5/12 I can not tell you where Emma is in 1870. Most likely the census it hard to read - the hand writing was sloppy and so she was lost that way. She's probably working out in a home near her home in Locke - or living with a sibling. So - who was Fred Rumsey? -- is the next question - and from the 1880 Census of Emma C. Brown Rumsey - a census known to the inquirer - I find Fred was Emma's son. 1880 Newfield Tompkins Co. Harison E. Rumsey head ae 33 Emma Rumsey head ae 25 <---------- Once again - this is your Emma and there is Elmer - her son. Fred Rumsey son ae 4 Elmer Rumsey son ae 1 So to summarize the newspaper clipping - Norman, Emma C. Brown Rumsey's brother was going to visit his nephew Elmer - his Emma's son. There were other articles at Fulton History that also supported this. 1850 Locke Cayuga, NY Warren Brown head ae 35 <- note all through Warren is born in Vermont ---- Norman's records say his father was born in Vermont. Roseana wife ae 28 Sarah J. ae 6 Lucinda ae 4 Wm M. ae 2 Anson ae 1 True - Emma's 1880 census says her father was born in NY- not Vermont - I don't believe it. Mistakes like that happened all the time. ANOTHER QUESTION THEN - Who is Solomon Willis ? I would bet that Solomon Willis - found 1850 - Census Locke - Cayuga Co. NY = is Roxie's father ---- but I can't prove it. Solomon Willis ae 75 Abigail Willis ae 66 1850 Locke - Cayuga Co Solomon Willis ae 35 Jane Willis ae 31 (wife) Chester Willis ae 8 Mary Willis ae 5 1850 Locke Cayuga Co Jacob Willis ae 32 Emily Willis ae 39 James H. ae 7 Geo W. ae 4 Merrit W. ae 2 Charles R. ae 1 I really think that you will find the Roxie Brown is the daughter Solomon Willis. Best Wishes to All --- write me off list if you wish a copy of the Warren and Roxie Brown photo - it's a pdf file. "Why in childhood and youth do we wish time to pass so quickly - we want to grow up so fast - yet as adults we wish just the opposite?" My Dog Skip R. Mark Brown knodish1@mac.com "R. Mark Brown" <knodish1@mac.com> 2008-11-09T01:28:20-06:00