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Rootsweb.com RSS Feed for CLAN-CLELAND http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CLAN-CLELAND Rootsweb.com RSS feed for CLAN-CLELAND en-us Copyright 2005 by MyFamily.inc 2008-06-10T21:53:23-06:00 helpdesk@rootsweb.com helpdesk@rootsweb.com Rootsweb.com 2005-05-01T00:00:00-06:00 1 hourly Re: [CLAN-CLELAND] My research http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CLAN-CLELAND/2008-06/1213156403 Searching thru my Cleland file, I find a Margaret Cleland marriage to George Leishman in Mar. 1793 in New Monkland. Lanark, Scotland from the LDS IGI files which should be available to you free on www.familysearch.org. It might be a generation or 2 back from your listing but worth checking out. Dorothy Libby ____________________________________________________________ Click to shop and compare great deals on trucks. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l1wbXu00mOXvPAn4rMLUUS3bl28X9Exzum15CrlAjeYtfdD/ "auntdo2@juno.com" <auntdo2@juno.com> 2008-06-10T21:53:23-06:00 [CLAN-CLELAND] My research http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CLAN-CLELAND/2008-04/1208440204 Hi this is my first post so here goes ! I am looking for the ancestors of Hugh CLELAND and Agnes CORNWALL. They had Mary 1882, Sarah 1884 d.1900, Janet 1885, Elizabeth 1887, Agnes 1889, William 1891, Annie 1892, Maggie 1894 d.1895, James 1896, Isabella 1898, Beatrice 1900 and Hugh 1902 d.1909. They may have had other children John 1905 d.1905 and Edith 1907 d.1908. All the children except Mary who was born in Lanarkshire, were born in Newbattle Scotland. Hugh and Agnes were married in Lanarkshire Scotland in 1882. _________________________________________________________________ Win 100’s of Virgin Experience days with BigSnapSearch.com http://www.bigsnapsearch.com sandy c <dot.40@hotmail.co.uk> 2008-04-17T07:50:04-06:00 [CLAN-CLELAND] Scottish Research Resources http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CLAN-CLELAND/2007-09/1191214876 Dear Listers: I gave a lecture on Scottish Research last week. Here are some of the resources I recommended. Books: "Tracing your Scottish Ancestors" Scottish Record Office, HMSO "Tracing your Scottish Ancestry" Kathleen B. Cory "Scottish Roots: A step-by-step guide to Ancestor-hunters" Alwyn James "The Surnames of Scotland" George Black, PhD "Tartans for Me!" Philip Smith, PhD "Ulster Surnames" Bell Bookstore: http://www.teaandsympathy.com General Record Office of Scotland (GROS) http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk.index.html and to search the records and order online for download: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Wills and Testaments 1513 - 1901 -- Free search: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&407 Scottish Resources at Rootsweb: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland/mb.ashx http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.cemetery.uk.scotland.mb.ashx http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.ulster/mb.ashx http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/Scotch-Irish.html Dictionary of the Scots Language: http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/index.html Scottish Games listing: http://www.scottishinfo.org/scottish.htm Census Dates: 7 June 1841 31 March 1851 8 April 1861 3 April 1871 4 April 1881 5 April 1891 1 April 1901 Next Census (1911) to be released in or after 2011. Yours Aye, Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot Clan Cleland List Admin "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> 2007-09-30T23:01:16-06:00 [CLAN-CLELAND] Admin Note re Genealogical Posts to the Clan Cleland List http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CLAN-CLELAND/2007-09/1191214699 Dear Clan Cleland Posters: Please bear in mind that the genealogical portion of the Clan Cleland list should keep within the time frame of the Clan System being active in Scotland. This would be up through 1745-47 as it was quashed following the Jacobite Wars. This is not to say that the Clan Cleland list is not for genealogical queries and posts. This is to provide a reminder that it is CLAN specific and not general in time and place. Period circa 1000 through 1747 and Scotland, Ireland, Europe in geographic nature. Think of those under the Clan system and where they would have been, as such. Where and when their Chiefs resided, origins of the name and time frame/locations descended from. Remember that clan lists are more inclusive than strictly Genealogy and History. If you are looking for general genealogy of the Cleland Family, then the Cleland surname list and board is where to find it. If you are looking to find out more about Clan Cleland then this is the list for you. It is clan specfic, not genealogy specific. Genealogy on this list is focused on that of the Clan era... up through circa 1747 and only in the areas of the Scottish clans... Scotland, Ireland and a bit of Europe. Not the USA, Canada or Australia, etc. To subscribe to any list at Rootsweb, send a message to listname-request@rootsweb.com where "listname" is substituted for the name of the list. ie. cleland-request@rootsweb.com Yours Aye, Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot Clan Cleland List Admin Rootsweb Volunteer since 1996 "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> 2007-09-30T22:58:19-06:00 Re: [CLAN-CLELAND] Alexander Cleland of Glasgow, Lanarkshire http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CLAN-CLELAND/2007-09/1191198416 Hi Bill I've since had a bit of success with finding out info on my husband's Cleland family. The record that you saw on Scotlandspeople.gov.uk was the marriage between Jeanie's parents: Alexander Cleland and Elizabeth Buchanan Madden - married 1884 in Dennistoun in Glasgow. Which Cleland line do you descend from? Best wishes Rachel On 10/1/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi Rachel > Sorry we weren't successful the first try. I checked on the Web site > Scotlandspeople.com and found only one Cleland marrying a Madden in the whole of > Scotland. It was in Lanarkshire in a town name Dennistoun. I didn't go any > further since it was a pay as you go site. > > You might also try posting a message on Ancestry.com for Cleland/Madden with son > Peter. Its worth a try. > > Keep me informed how you fare. > > Bill > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > Hi Bill > > thanks so much for all the information you've sent me. > > My in laws have now thrown a spanner in the works because yesterday they > > told me that Alexander Cleland was a tailor who taught daughter Jeannie how > > to tailor. The story goes (as told by Jeannie's daughter Elizabeth many > > years ago) that she learnt the craft from her father, Alexander. Apparently > > she was sheilded behind a curtain when she sewed mens clothing because in > > those days women weren't allowed to tailor mens trousers! > > The only census records for any Alexander Cleland of Glasgow show is > > occupation as: Joiner... I can't find any Alexanders on censuses that were > > tailors... so goodness knows where I'll go to from here. My husband's aunty > > Jean Cleland Van Rensburg nee Shelley gave me Jeannie's parents as Alexander > > Cleland and Elizabeth Buchanan Madden and she hasn't gone back further from > > that, unfortunately. > > I'm new to researching Scottish ancestry, so don't quite know what plan of > > attack to take next. > > I think I might try writing to Jean to verify the 'tailor' story... > > Thanks so much, Bill > > > > Kind regards > > Rachel > > > > > > On 5/13/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Rachel; > > > I don't have much. > > > Peter Cleland married Elizabeth White 23 March 1860 Glasgow Central > > > District > > > Children: > > > Alexander b. 10 Apr 1860 Glasgow Central District > > > Agnes b. 29 Dec 1861 Glasgow Central District > > > Robert White b.4 Jan 1864 Glasgow Central District > > > The following children were recorded as being born to Peter and Elizabeth > > > Whyte. Since they were born in the Central District, and I cannot find > > > another marriage of Peter to a Whyte, I am making an assumption that they > > > are of the same family with the last name recorded differently. > > > Elizabeth Patterson b. 13 May 1866 > > > William b. 11 Apr 1868 > > > Agnes b. 19 Nov 1869 > > > William b. 22 Mar 1872 > > > Jessie b. 5 Apr 1874 > > > > > > I also found > > > Alexander Cleland married Mary McMurroch in Gorbals 11Jun1831 and had a > > > child named Peter on 20 Jun 1831. > > > This is the only Peter I found born in the 1830s but records are sketchy > > > and it may or may not be your line. Since the custom of the Scots was to > > > name the first male after his grandfather it may well be yours. Since most > > > of your line centered about Glasgow Central District, the town of Gorbals > > > appears out of place. However families did move to follow the work. > > > > > > Hope this helps you to get a starting point in your search. Good > > > Luck. If you think I can help any further let me know. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > > > Hi Bill > > > > I wasn't aware of the Scottish IGI, so I don't have it already - I'm > > > really > > > > keen to have any information that you do have - how exciting! > > > > Thanks so much > > > > Rachel > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/12/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rachel, > > > > > Sorry, I don't have any connection to your line. I do have some > > > > > information on the children of Peter and Elizabeth White > > > (Whyte). Since it > > > > > is available on the Scottish IGI on the Internet you probably have it > > > > > aready. If not let me know and I'll send what little I have. > > > > > > > > > > Bill Cleland > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm new to this list, and have started researching my husband's > > > CLELAND > > > > > side > > > > > > of the family. > > > > > > > > > > > > His great great grandfather was named Alexander Cleland, born abt > > > 1861 > > > > > in > > > > > > Lanarkshire and the son of Peter (born about 1835, Lanarkshire, > > > > > > Scotland) and Elizabeth. Peter was an Engine Fitter/Steam Engine > > > Maker > > > > > > (Fitter) by occupation, also born in Glasgow. > > > > > > Alexander went on to marry Elizabeth Buchanan MADDEN by the 1891 > > > census > > > > > and > > > > > > had children, including Jeannie Cleland (born 20 July 1889 - my > > > > > husband's > > > > > > great grandmother). > > > > > > Jeannie married James SUMMERS (born 3 June 1887, Markinch, Fife) - > > > he > > > > > was a > > > > > > Printer. They had one daughter that I know of: Elizabeth Madden > > > Summers > > > > > > (born 19 June 1913 in Glasgow). Seven years later they moved over to > > > > > Cape > > > > > > Town, South Africa, around 1920 in order to set up the Cape Times > > > > > newspaper. > > > > > > Elizabeth Madden Summers married Frank Raymond SHELLEY snr (whose > > > family > > > > > > originated from Staffordshire). > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone else on this list have any connection or further > > > information > > > > > on > > > > > > my husband's Cleland family? > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > Rachel Shelley, Wellington, New Zealand. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > > > > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > > > the quotes > > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- * For family news updates and a list of my family history interests, please visit my blog at: http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ * My photos can be found at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ * When I'm on Skype, my userid: rachiedachie "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> 2007-09-30T18:26:56-06:00 Re: [CLAN-CLELAND] Alexander Cleland of Glasgow, Lanarkshire http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CLAN-CLELAND/2007-09/1191197827 Hi Rachel Sorry we weren't successful the first try. I checked on the Web site Scotlandspeople.com and found only one Cleland marrying a Madden in the whole of Scotland. It was in Lanarkshire in a town name Dennistoun. I didn't go any further since it was a pay as you go site. You might also try posting a message on Ancestry.com for Cleland/Madden with son Peter. Its worth a try. Keep me informed how you fare. Bill -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > Hi Bill > thanks so much for all the information you've sent me. > My in laws have now thrown a spanner in the works because yesterday they > told me that Alexander Cleland was a tailor who taught daughter Jeannie how > to tailor. The story goes (as told by Jeannie's daughter Elizabeth many > years ago) that she learnt the craft from her father, Alexander. Apparently > she was sheilded behind a curtain when she sewed mens clothing because in > those days women weren't allowed to tailor mens trousers! > The only census records for any Alexander Cleland of Glasgow show is > occupation as: Joiner... I can't find any Alexanders on censuses that were > tailors... so goodness knows where I'll go to from here. My husband's aunty > Jean Cleland Van Rensburg nee Shelley gave me Jeannie's parents as Alexander > Cleland and Elizabeth Buchanan Madden and she hasn't gone back further from > that, unfortunately. > I'm new to researching Scottish ancestry, so don't quite know what plan of > attack to take next. > I think I might try writing to Jean to verify the 'tailor' story... > Thanks so much, Bill > > Kind regards > Rachel > > > On 5/13/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Rachel; > > I don't have much. > > Peter Cleland married Elizabeth White 23 March 1860 Glasgow Central > > District > > Children: > > Alexander b. 10 Apr 1860 Glasgow Central District > > Agnes b. 29 Dec 1861 Glasgow Central District > > Robert White b.4 Jan 1864 Glasgow Central District > > The following children were recorded as being born to Peter and Elizabeth > > Whyte. Since they were born in the Central District, and I cannot find > > another marriage of Peter to a Whyte, I am making an assumption that they > > are of the same family with the last name recorded differently. > > Elizabeth Patterson b. 13 May 1866 > > William b. 11 Apr 1868 > > Agnes b. 19 Nov 1869 > > William b. 22 Mar 1872 > > Jessie b. 5 Apr 1874 > > > > I also found > > Alexander Cleland married Mary McMurroch in Gorbals 11Jun1831 and had a > > child named Peter on 20 Jun 1831. > > This is the only Peter I found born in the 1830s but records are sketchy > > and it may or may not be your line. Since the custom of the Scots was to > > name the first male after his grandfather it may well be yours. Since most > > of your line centered about Glasgow Central District, the town of Gorbals > > appears out of place. However families did move to follow the work. > > > > Hope this helps you to get a starting point in your search. Good > > Luck. If you think I can help any further let me know. > > > > Bill > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > > Hi Bill > > > I wasn't aware of the Scottish IGI, so I don't have it already - I'm > > really > > > keen to have any information that you do have - how exciting! > > > Thanks so much > > > Rachel > > > > > > > > > On 5/12/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Rachel, > > > > Sorry, I don't have any connection to your line. I do have some > > > > information on the children of Peter and Elizabeth White > > (Whyte). Since it > > > > is available on the Scottish IGI on the Internet you probably have it > > > > aready. If not let me know and I'll send what little I have. > > > > > > > > Bill Cleland > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > I'm new to this list, and have started researching my husband's > > CLELAND > > > > side > > > > > of the family. > > > > > > > > > > His great great grandfather was named Alexander Cleland, born abt > > 1861 > > > > in > > > > > Lanarkshire and the son of Peter (born about 1835, Lanarkshire, > > > > > Scotland) and Elizabeth. Peter was an Engine Fitter/Steam Engine > > Maker > > > > > (Fitter) by occupation, also born in Glasgow. > > > > > Alexander went on to marry Elizabeth Buchanan MADDEN by the 1891 > > census > > > > and > > > > > had children, including Jeannie Cleland (born 20 July 1889 - my > > > > husband's > > > > > great grandmother). > > > > > Jeannie married James SUMMERS (born 3 June 1887, Markinch, Fife) - > > he > > > > was a > > > > > Printer. They had one daughter that I know of: Elizabeth Madden > > Summers > > > > > (born 19 June 1913 in Glasgow). Seven years later they moved over to > > > > Cape > > > > > Town, South Africa, around 1920 in order to set up the Cape Times > > > > newspaper. > > > > > Elizabeth Madden Summers married Frank Raymond SHELLEY snr (whose > > family > > > > > originated from Staffordshire). > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone else on this list have any connection or further > > information > > > > on > > > > > my husband's Cleland family? > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > Rachel Shelley, Wellington, New Zealand. > > > > > -- > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > > > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > > > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > > the quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message wjcleland@comcast.net 2007-09-30T18:17:07-06:00 Re: [CLAN-CLELAND] Alexander Cleland of Glasgow, Lanarkshire http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CLAN-CLELAND/2007-05/1179105140 Hi Bill thanks for the tip off. I was so excited and went along to Scotlandspeople's website, paid for 30 credits, searched and found the link that would show the record. But there is an error with displaying the image and I've wasted 21 credits on trying to display an image. I've written to the website's people, but don't know if I'll have any luck in getting them to either refund the wasted credits or send me the record/image itself. Never mind. 9 credits left now... Thanks for your help : ) Regards Rachel On 5/14/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > Hi Rachel > Sorry we weren't successful the first try. I checked on the Web site > Scotlandspeople.gov.uk <http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk/> and found only > one Cleland marrying a Madden in the whole of > Scotland. It was in Lanarkshire in a town name Dennistoun. I didn't go > any > further since it was a pay as you go site. > > You might also try posting a message on Ancestry.com<http://ancestry.com/>for Cleland/Madden with son > Peter. Its worth a try. > > Keep me informed how you fare. > > Bill > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > Hi Bill > > thanks so much for all the information you've sent me. > > My in laws have now thrown a spanner in the works because yesterday they > > > told me that Alexander Cleland was a tailor who taught daughter Jeannie > how > > to tailor. The story goes (as told by Jeannie's daughter Elizabeth many > > years ago) that she learnt the craft from her father, Alexander. > Apparently > > she was sheilded behind a curtain when she sewed mens clothing because > in > > those days women weren't allowed to tailor mens trousers! > > The only census records for any Alexander Cleland of Glasgow show is > > occupation as: Joiner... I can't find any Alexanders on censuses that > were > > tailors... so goodness knows where I'll go to from here. My husband's > aunty > > Jean Cleland Van Rensburg nee Shelley gave me Jeannie's parents as > Alexander > > Cleland and Elizabeth Buchanan Madden and she hasn't gone back further > from > > that, unfortunately. > > I'm new to researching Scottish ancestry, so don't quite know what plan > of > > attack to take next. > > I think I might try writing to Jean to verify the 'tailor' story... > > Thanks so much, Bill > > > > Kind regards > > Rachel > > > > > > On 5/13/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Rachel; > > > I don't have much. > > > Peter Cleland married Elizabeth White 23 March 1860 Glasgow Central > > > District > > > Children: > > > Alexander b. 10 Apr 1860 Glasgow Central District > > > Agnes b. 29 Dec 1861 Glasgow Central District > > > Robert White b.4 Jan 1864 Glasgow Central District > > > The following children were recorded as being born to Peter and > Elizabeth > > > Whyte. Since they were born in the Central District, and I cannot > find > > > another marriage of Peter to a Whyte, I am making an assumption that > they > > > are of the same family with the last name recorded differently. > > > Elizabeth Patterson b. 13 May 1866 > > > William b. 11 Apr 1868 > > > Agnes b. 19 Nov 1869 > > > William b. 22 Mar 1872 > > > Jessie b. 5 Apr 1874 > > > > > > I also found > > > Alexander Cleland married Mary McMurroch in Gorbals 11Jun1831 and had > a > > > child named Peter on 20 Jun 1831. > > > This is the only Peter I found born in the 1830s but records are > sketchy > > > and it may or may not be your line. Since the custom of the Scots was > to > > > name the first male after his grandfather it may well be yours. Since > most > > > of your line centered about Glasgow Central District, the town of > Gorbals > > > appears out of place. However families did move to follow the work. > > > > > > Hope this helps you to get a starting point in your search. Good > > > Luck. If you think I can help any further let me know. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com > > > > > Hi Bill > > > > I wasn't aware of the Scottish IGI, so I don't have it already - I'm > > > really > > > > keen to have any information that you do have - how exciting! > > > > Thanks so much > > > > Rachel > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/12/07, wjcleland@comcast.net < wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rachel, > > > > > Sorry, I don't have any connection to your line. I do have some > > > > > information on the children of Peter and Elizabeth White > > > (Whyte). Since it > > > > > is available on the Scottish IGI on the Internet you probably > have it > > > > > aready. If not let me know and I'll send what little I have. > > > > > > > > > > Bill Cleland > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > > From: "Rachel Shelley" < rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm new to this list, and have started researching my husband's > > > CLELAND > > > > > side > > > > > > of the family. > > > > > > > > > > > > His great great grandfather was named Alexander Cleland, born > abt > > > 1861 > > > > > in > > > > > > Lanarkshire and the son of Peter (born about 1835, Lanarkshire, > > > > > > Scotland) and Elizabeth. Peter was an Engine Fitter/Steam Engine > > > Maker > > > > > > (Fitter) by occupation, also born in Glasgow. > > > > > > Alexander went on to marry Elizabeth Buchanan MADDEN by the 1891 > > > > census > > > > > and > > > > > > had children, including Jeannie Cleland (born 20 July 1889 - my > > > > > husband's > > > > > > great grandmother). > > > > > > Jeannie married James SUMMERS (born 3 June 1887, Markinch, Fife) > - > > > he > > > > > was a > > > > > > Printer. They had one daughter that I know of: Elizabeth Madden > > > Summers > > > > > > (born 19 June 1913 in Glasgow). Seven years later they moved > over to > > > > > Cape > > > > > > Town, South Africa, around 1920 in order to set up the Cape > Times > > > > > newspaper. > > > > > > Elizabeth Madden Summers married Frank Raymond SHELLEY snr > (whose > > > family > > > > > > originated from Staffordshire). > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone else on this list have any connection or further > > > information > > > > > on > > > > > > my husband's Cleland family? > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > Rachel Shelley, Wellington, New Zealand. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > > > > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > > > the quotes > > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ Skype userid: rachiedachie "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> 2007-05-13T19:12:20-06:00 Re: [CLAN-CLELAND] Alexander Cleland of Glasgow, Lanarkshire http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CLAN-CLELAND/2007-05/1179095181 Hi Rachel Sorry we weren't successful the first try. I checked on the Web site Scotlandspeople.gov.uk and found only one Cleland marrying a Madden in the whole of Scotland. It was in Lanarkshire in a town name Dennistoun. I didn't go any further since it was a pay as you go site. You might also try posting a message on Ancestry.com for Cleland/Madden with son Peter. Its worth a try. Keep me informed how you fare. Bill -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > Hi Bill > thanks so much for all the information you've sent me. > My in laws have now thrown a spanner in the works because yesterday they > told me that Alexander Cleland was a tailor who taught daughter Jeannie how > to tailor. The story goes (as told by Jeannie's daughter Elizabeth many > years ago) that she learnt the craft from her father, Alexander. Apparently > she was sheilded behind a curtain when she sewed mens clothing because in > those days women weren't allowed to tailor mens trousers! > The only census records for any Alexander Cleland of Glasgow show is > occupation as: Joiner... I can't find any Alexanders on censuses that were > tailors... so goodness knows where I'll go to from here. My husband's aunty > Jean Cleland Van Rensburg nee Shelley gave me Jeannie's parents as Alexander > Cleland and Elizabeth Buchanan Madden and she hasn't gone back further from > that, unfortunately. > I'm new to researching Scottish ancestry, so don't quite know what plan of > attack to take next. > I think I might try writing to Jean to verify the 'tailor' story... > Thanks so much, Bill > > Kind regards > Rachel > > > On 5/13/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Rachel; > > I don't have much. > > Peter Cleland married Elizabeth White 23 March 1860 Glasgow Central > > District > > Children: > > Alexander b. 10 Apr 1860 Glasgow Central District > > Agnes b. 29 Dec 1861 Glasgow Central District > > Robert White b.4 Jan 1864 Glasgow Central District > > The following children were recorded as being born to Peter and Elizabeth > > Whyte. Since they were born in the Central District, and I cannot find > > another marriage of Peter to a Whyte, I am making an assumption that they > > are of the same family with the last name recorded differently. > > Elizabeth Patterson b. 13 May 1866 > > William b. 11 Apr 1868 > > Agnes b. 19 Nov 1869 > > William b. 22 Mar 1872 > > Jessie b. 5 Apr 1874 > > > > I also found > > Alexander Cleland married Mary McMurroch in Gorbals 11Jun1831 and had a > > child named Peter on 20 Jun 1831. > > This is the only Peter I found born in the 1830s but records are sketchy > > and it may or may not be your line. Since the custom of the Scots was to > > name the first male after his grandfather it may well be yours. Since most > > of your line centered about Glasgow Central District, the town of Gorbals > > appears out of place. However families did move to follow the work. > > > > Hope this helps you to get a starting point in your search. Good > > Luck. If you think I can help any further let me know. > > > > Bill > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > > Hi Bill > > > I wasn't aware of the Scottish IGI, so I don't have it already - I'm > > really > > > keen to have any information that you do have - how exciting! > > > Thanks so much > > > Rachel > > > > > > > > > On 5/12/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Rachel, > > > > Sorry, I don't have any connection to your line. I do have some > > > > information on the children of Peter and Elizabeth White > > (Whyte). Since it > > > > is available on the Scottish IGI on the Internet you probably have it > > > > aready. If not let me know and I'll send what little I have. > > > > > > > > Bill Cleland > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > I'm new to this list, and have started researching my husband's > > CLELAND > > > > side > > > > > of the family. > > > > > > > > > > His great great grandfather was named Alexander Cleland, born abt > > 1861 > > > > in > > > > > Lanarkshire and the son of Peter (born about 1835, Lanarkshire, > > > > > Scotland) and Elizabeth. Peter was an Engine Fitter/Steam Engine > > Maker > > > > > (Fitter) by occupation, also born in Glasgow. > > > > > Alexander went on to marry Elizabeth Buchanan MADDEN by the 1891 > > census > > > > and > > > > > had children, including Jeannie Cleland (born 20 July 1889 - my > > > > husband's > > > > > great grandmother). > > > > > Jeannie married James SUMMERS (born 3 June 1887, Markinch, Fife) - > > he > > > > was a > > > > > Printer. They had one daughter that I know of: Elizabeth Madden > > Summers > > > > > (born 19 June 1913 in Glasgow). Seven years later they moved over to > > > > Cape > > > > > Town, South Africa, around 1920 in order to set up the Cape Times > > > > newspaper. > > > > > Elizabeth Madden Summers married Frank Raymond SHELLEY snr (whose > > family > > > > > originated from Staffordshire). > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone else on this list have any connection or further > > information > > > > on > > > > > my husband's Cleland family? > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > Rachel Shelley, Wellington, New Zealand. > > > > > -- > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > > > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > > > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > > the quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message wjcleland@comcast.net 2007-05-13T16:26:21-06:00 Re: [CLAN-CLELAND] Alexander Cleland of Glasgow, Lanarkshire http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CLAN-CLELAND/2007-05/1179006249 Hi Bill thanks so much for all the information you've sent me. My in laws have now thrown a spanner in the works because yesterday they told me that Alexander Cleland was a tailor who taught daughter Jeannie how to tailor. The story goes (as told by Jeannie's daughter Elizabeth many years ago) that she learnt the craft from her father, Alexander. Apparently she was sheilded behind a curtain when she sewed mens clothing because in those days women weren't allowed to tailor mens trousers! The only census records for any Alexander Cleland of Glasgow show is occupation as: Joiner... I can't find any Alexanders on censuses that were tailors... so goodness knows where I'll go to from here. My husband's aunty Jean Cleland Van Rensburg nee Shelley gave me Jeannie's parents as Alexander Cleland and Elizabeth Buchanan Madden and she hasn't gone back further from that, unfortunately. I'm new to researching Scottish ancestry, so don't quite know what plan of attack to take next. I think I might try writing to Jean to verify the 'tailor' story... Thanks so much, Bill Kind regards Rachel On 5/13/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > Hi Rachel; > I don't have much. > Peter Cleland married Elizabeth White 23 March 1860 Glasgow Central > District > Children: > Alexander b. 10 Apr 1860 Glasgow Central District > Agnes b. 29 Dec 1861 Glasgow Central District > Robert White b.4 Jan 1864 Glasgow Central District > The following children were recorded as being born to Peter and Elizabeth > Whyte. Since they were born in the Central District, and I cannot find > another marriage of Peter to a Whyte, I am making an assumption that they > are of the same family with the last name recorded differently. > Elizabeth Patterson b. 13 May 1866 > William b. 11 Apr 1868 > Agnes b. 19 Nov 1869 > William b. 22 Mar 1872 > Jessie b. 5 Apr 1874 > > I also found > Alexander Cleland married Mary McMurroch in Gorbals 11Jun1831 and had a > child named Peter on 20 Jun 1831. > This is the only Peter I found born in the 1830s but records are sketchy > and it may or may not be your line. Since the custom of the Scots was to > name the first male after his grandfather it may well be yours. Since most > of your line centered about Glasgow Central District, the town of Gorbals > appears out of place. However families did move to follow the work. > > Hope this helps you to get a starting point in your search. Good > Luck. If you think I can help any further let me know. > > Bill > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > Hi Bill > > I wasn't aware of the Scottish IGI, so I don't have it already - I'm > really > > keen to have any information that you do have - how exciting! > > Thanks so much > > Rachel > > > > > > On 5/12/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Rachel, > > > Sorry, I don't have any connection to your line. I do have some > > > information on the children of Peter and Elizabeth White > (Whyte). Since it > > > is available on the Scottish IGI on the Internet you probably have it > > > aready. If not let me know and I'll send what little I have. > > > > > > Bill Cleland > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > I'm new to this list, and have started researching my husband's > CLELAND > > > side > > > > of the family. > > > > > > > > His great great grandfather was named Alexander Cleland, born abt > 1861 > > > in > > > > Lanarkshire and the son of Peter (born about 1835, Lanarkshire, > > > > Scotland) and Elizabeth. Peter was an Engine Fitter/Steam Engine > Maker > > > > (Fitter) by occupation, also born in Glasgow. > > > > Alexander went on to marry Elizabeth Buchanan MADDEN by the 1891 > census > > > and > > > > had children, including Jeannie Cleland (born 20 July 1889 - my > > > husband's > > > > great grandmother). > > > > Jeannie married James SUMMERS (born 3 June 1887, Markinch, Fife) - > he > > > was a > > > > Printer. They had one daughter that I know of: Elizabeth Madden > Summers > > > > (born 19 June 1913 in Glasgow). Seven years later they moved over to > > > Cape > > > > Town, South Africa, around 1920 in order to set up the Cape Times > > > newspaper. > > > > Elizabeth Madden Summers married Frank Raymond SHELLEY snr (whose > family > > > > originated from Staffordshire). > > > > > > > > Does anyone else on this list have any connection or further > information > > > on > > > > my husband's Cleland family? > > > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > Rachel Shelley, Wellington, New Zealand. > > > > -- > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ Skype userid: rachiedachie "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> 2007-05-12T15:44:09-06:00 Re: [CLAN-CLELAND] Alexander Cleland of Glasgow, Lanarkshire http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CLAN-CLELAND/2007-05/1178980768 Hi Rachel; I don't have much. Peter Cleland married Elizabeth White 23 March 1860 Glasgow Central District Children: Alexander b. 10 Apr 1860 Glasgow Central District Agnes b. 29 Dec 1861 Glasgow Central District Robert White b.4 Jan 1864 Glasgow Central District The following children were recorded as being born to Peter and Elizabeth Whyte. Since they were born in the Central District, and I cannot find another marriage of Peter to a Whyte, I am making an assumption that they are of the same family with the last name recorded differently. Elizabeth Patterson b. 13 May 1866 William b. 11 Apr 1868 Agnes b. 19 Nov 1869 William b. 22 Mar 1872 Jessie b. 5 Apr 1874 I also found Alexander Cleland married Mary McMurroch in Gorbals 11Jun1831 and had a child named Peter on 20 Jun 1831. This is the only Peter I found born in the 1830s but records are sketchy and it may or may not be your line. Since the custom of the Scots was to name the first male after his grandfather it may well be yours. Since most of your line centered about Glasgow Central District, the town of Gorbals appears out of place. However families did move to follow the work. Hope this helps you to get a starting point in your search. Good Luck. If you think I can help any further let me know. Bill -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > Hi Bill > I wasn't aware of the Scottish IGI, so I don't have it already - I'm really > keen to have any information that you do have - how exciting! > Thanks so much > Rachel > > > On 5/12/07, wjcleland@comcast.net <wjcleland@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Rachel, > > Sorry, I don't have any connection to your line. I do have some > > information on the children of Peter and Elizabeth White (Whyte). Since it > > is available on the Scottish IGI on the Internet you probably have it > > aready. If not let me know and I'll send what little I have. > > > > Bill Cleland > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Rachel Shelley" <rachel.shelley@gmail.com> > > > Hello > > > > > > I'm new to this list, and have started researching my husband's CLELAND > > side > > > of the family. > > > > > > His great great grandfather was named Alexander Cleland, born abt 1861 > > in > > > Lanarkshire and the son of Peter (born about 1835, Lanarkshire, > > > Scotland) and Elizabeth. Peter was an Engine Fitter/Steam Engine Maker > > > (Fitter) by occupation, also born in Glasgow. > > > Alexander went on to marry Elizabeth Buchanan MADDEN by the 1891 census > > and > > > had children, including Jeannie Cleland (born 20 July 1889 - my > > husband's > > > great grandmother). > > > Jeannie married James SUMMERS (born 3 June 1887, Markinch, Fife) - he > > was a > > > Printer. They had one daughter that I know of: Elizabeth Madden Summers > > > (born 19 June 1913 in Glasgow). Seven years later they moved over to > > Cape > > > Town, South Africa, around 1920 in order to set up the Cape Times > > newspaper. > > > Elizabeth Madden Summers married Frank Raymond SHELLEY snr (whose family > > > originated from Staffordshire). > > > > > > Does anyone else on this list have any connection or further information > > on > > > my husband's Cleland family? > > > > > > Many thanks > > > Rachel Shelley, Wellington, New Zealand. > > > -- > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > > > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > > > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > NEW BLOG ADDRESS! : at http://shelleys.wordpress.com/ > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelleys/ > Skype userid: rachiedachie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLAN-CLELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message wjcleland@comcast.net 2007-05-12T08:39:28-06:00