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ADMIN NOTE OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE: READ ME NOW, LIST IS GOING TO MIGRATE TO NEW SYSTEM

2006-08-17T01:24:37-06:00

Dear Listers:

I appologize for making this a bit generic, however it is going out to
at least 70 clans lists. Please substitute the name of your clan
where I have left it as "clan-name".

You may or may not have received the message that Rootsweb sent out
Friday from List Announce. It apparently is taking quite some time to
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Some ISPs may also be blocking mail from the Lists9 Server due to the
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In order to continue to have mailing lists for us it was necessary to
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to. Rootsweb is changing, not upgrading their list software on their
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of change it now or no lists. So... we will accept the change to the
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There is nothing you need to do... it is on their computers and will
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Eventually, there will be a website you can go to to more proactively
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Bear it mind, that as with all things, it is a PLAN... and subject to change.

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Post away! Don't be shy! We need the mail to be generated to ensure
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Yours Aye,

Lauren
Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot
Various Clan Lists Admin

Scottish Information Society request and information

confido@ix.netcom.com — 2006-03-22T09:24:46-06:00

Dear Clan Representatives:

The Scottish Information Society (SIS), formed 1987, is comprised of and exists
in support of those who volunteer their time at the clan tents, working events at
various venues. One member delegate from each Clan, House or Scottish Society is
invited to join to represent their officially recognized clan/society organization.

We are in the process of revamping our web site http://www.scottishinfo.org It
is currently off line, however, it is our hope to have it back up and functional
before the end of April. We hope to include many helpful elements for the public
to view. Currently one of the major projects in process is a comprehensive games
listing for all 50 US states. In future, we hope to be able to add an International
games listing.

I would appreciate it if you would email me directly at confido@ix.netcom.com with:

the most current contact information for your Clan, especially:

the name of your Chief

the names and contact information for those that convene your tents or are area
commissioners

the name and contact information for your genealogist(s)

the name and contact information for your clan historian(s)

the name and contact information for your editor(s)

the name of your clan newsletter and frequency of publication

the URL/information re your clan's official discussion group... is it this list
at Rootsweb? or is it different?

the name and contact information for whoever may be in charge of your DNA project

the URL for your clan's OFFICIALLY sanctioned website -- sorry no personal or non-sanctioned
sites can be linked

Additonally, SIS, will have a tent at the upcoming Sacramento Valley (California)
Caledonia Club Games, in Woodland, California, at the end of April. If you will
send some information regarding your clan, we will be pleased to have it on hand,
whether or not your representative is able to attend and host a tent at the event.

We would also appreciate your mailing a copy or copies of your newsletter, in order
that we may share with the public part of what your clan has to offer to its members.

If you manage, sponsor or sanction DNA projects for your clan, please mail information
regarding the project(s) and we will make it available at the tent for those interested.

Also, for those of you interested, there is a Scot DNA project that all Scots and
Scot Clans are welcome to join or share DNA results with, no matter which service
you used. John Hansen is the Project Manager. You will find more information about
this project at http://www.scottishdna.net and also in the Scot-DNA@rootsweb.com
list archives. Details re that list will be found here: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCOT-DNA.html

Write me off list and I will provide the postal mailing addresss for receipt of
your printed materials.

Thank you. And thanks to all of your volunteers which give so generously and unselfishly
of their time to share with and educate the public about your Clan's history and
that of Scotland. It is they who keep the tradtions alive.

Suas Alba!

Yours Aye,

Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot
President
Scottish Information Society
http://www.scottishinfo.org

delegate representative: House of Boyd Society, Inc. [commonly called "Clan
Boyd"]
title: International President
web site: http://www.clanboyd.ORG
clan email address: president@clanboyd.ORG
.........................................................

NB. I add this bit of information due to the responses I received
in my first round of posting:

This message is not misdirected, but rather has been sent to
all the clan lists at Rootsweb in attempt to most expediently
reach those involved with and representing their Scottish clan
in some official capacity. You have received it as you are
subscribed to at least one of them.

Please understand that due to the shear magnitude of the number
of recipients, I cannot respond to friendly notes that include
genealogical information and queries that may be triggered by
my post. Please do post to the list and also consider joining
and becoming active in your Scottish clan's organization.

Irvine/Irving/Irwin/Erwin/Erving/Erving, et al.

timothy.erwin@unlv.edu — 2006-02-20T17:50:52-06:00

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.

Classification: Query

Message Board URL:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/MKB.2ACIAE/10

Message Board Post:

There is an Irvine DNA Y-chromosome project underway,
led by Kent L. Ervin and conducted through the auspices of
FamilyTreeDNA as part of a Border Reivers family study, and the preliminary data may be consulted at a number of websites. See

www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=K58255&special=True

My Irvine familiy

2006-02-11T17:53:54-06:00

Hello -

Below is everything I know about the Irvines in my family tree. Is anyone else researching this family? I would appreciate any help or guidance you could give me in tracing them further. Thanks.

Pete Dady

Their marriage record says that James ERVINE, 21, married Mary LYONS, 19, on 8 Nov 1851 in the town of Lisburn, County Antrim, Ireland. Protestants, I assume. The husband's father was Andrew ERVINE; the wife's father was James LYONS. At some point, seemingly between 1861 and 1871 they moved to Scotland. I can't find them in the 1861 Census in Scotland.

Census of 1871, in Back row [?], Slamannan, Stirling, Scotland:

- James IRVINE, head, 39, coal miner, born in Ireland

- Mary IRVINE, wife, 38, coal miner's wife, born in Ireland

- Andrew IRVINE, son, 19, pupil teacher, born in Slamannan, Stirlingshire [sic?]

- Anna IRVINE, dau., 12, scholar, born in Slamannan, Stirlingshire [sic?]

- Jane IRVINE, dau., 7, scholar, born in Slamannan, Stirlingshire

- John IRVINE, son, 3, born in Slamannan, Stirlingshire

Census of 1881, in Back Street, Slamannan, Stirling, Scotland:

- James IRVINE, head, coal miner, 49, born in Ireland

- Mary L. IRVINE, wife, 47, born in Ireland

- John IRVINE, son, scholar, 13, born in Slamannan, Scotland

- Robert McNay, unmarried, boarder, labourer, 35, born in Ireland

Daughter Annie IRVINE married Robert FISHER in the Church of Scotland, in Slamannan, Falkirk, Scotland in 1878. The Scottish Census of 1881 says that both were born in Ireland - this disagrees with the Census of 1871, which says that Annie was born in Scotland. I think it more likely that she was born in Ireland; her birth date is known to be 24 Apr 1858 (before the Census of 1861), and she can't be found on Scotlandspeople (nor can Robert). Robert FISHER born 17 Jan 1854, likely in Ireland, to Thomas FISHER (a farmer, deceased by 1878) and Jane HOLLOWS. Robert was a blacksmith, but like Annie's father, he worked at coal mines.

Census of 1881, dwelling in Little Bathville Row, Bathgate, Linlithgow, Scotland:

- Robert FISHER, 27, head, blacksmith, born Ireland

- Annie FISHER, 22, wife, born Ireland

- Mary FISHER, 1, born West Calder, Edinburgh [sic?] Scotland

- Thomas FISHER, 2 mo., born Bathville, Linlithgow, Scotland

Merry Christmas Cartoon!

2005-12-24T13:49:20-06:00

This will make your evening...put a smile on your face and get you
ready for Santa!!!

Be sure and turn your speakers up..................

Merry Christmas

FW: Margaret IRVING - IRVINE question

2005-11-10T11:42:51-06:00

Hi list,

I have since found the headstone for daughter Mary and found out what
the mother's maiden name is. I have also found the marriage for James
and Margaret. They were married in Charlottenburg so they may have
been Scottish but they and their families came over before the
marriage. This tells me the 1851 census was wrong for the birth place
of the children and the fact that I showed them in my database as born
in Ontario Province was correct. This is great. Now, I am going to
be getting the marriage bond to see if there is any other little bit
of info I can glean from it. James IRVINE married Margaret MUNRO(E)
in Charlottenburg, Glengarry, Ontario.

Just thought you would all want an update on the info below.

Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Sue J [mailto:macduff@infionline.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:51 PM
To: CLAN-IRVINE
Subject: Margaret IRVING - IRVINE question

Hi List,

I have a real good question for everyone and I hope you can bear with
me as I give you the facts and info I have. I have been trying to
find the parents of my Margaret IRVINE who married Robert George
HARLEY in the Trinity Church in Cornwall, Stormont, Ontario, Canada.
One of the witnesses on the marriage document I received from the
Anglican Diocese in Ottawa, Canada was an Alexander IRVINE. It does
not state who he was in relation to Margaret. =20

My Margaret was born c. 1830. Depending on which census year you look
in Canada after her marriage, her ethnic background is given as
English, Scottish or Irish. I found this 1851 census for Martintown,
Glengarry, Ontario, Canada with children of Alexander and Margaret,
etc.:

This is the 1851 census for IRVING:

Living at "Village of Martintown "

JAMES IRVING, occupation carpenter, born Scotland, religion Kirk
of Scotland [in case like me you didn't know, Kirk of means
Church], status married, age 53

MARGARET IRVING, occupation carpenter's wife, religion, Kirk of
Scotland, status married, age 55

ALEXANDER IRVING, carpenter lab, born Scotland, religion Kirk of
Scotland, status single, age 24

MARGARET IRVING, occupation unreadable (but appeared to be "ditto"
of Alexander's), born Scotland, religion Kirk of Scotland,
status, single, age 22

MARY IRVING, occupation unreadable (but appeared to be "ditto" of
Alexander's), born Scotland, religion Kirk of Scotland, status,
single, age 18

JAMES IRVING, occupation unreadable (but appeared to be "ditto" of
Alexander's), born Scotland, religion Kirk of Scotland, status,
single, age 17

Both Alexander and Margaret fit for ages. I could not find any help
with their parents so I wrote to the Diocese in Ottawa, trying to find
their parents. They wrote back:

"Dr. Lockwood has asked me to carry out the research you requested in
your e-mail of 21 October 2005. This I have done and the following is
my report.

I searched our database (which covers all the baptism, marriage and
burial records we hold from 1779 to 1960) but could find no record of
the baptism of Margaret Irvine. As well as Irvine, I tried different
spellings such as Irvin, Irving, Irwin but all without success.

You mentioned an Alexander Irvine. I searched for his baptism hoping
that it might give a lead on the parents of Margaret but I could not
find any record of such for him.

There was a record of the marriage in 1853 in Trinity Church,
Cornwall, of an Alexander Irvine of the Township of Charlottenburgh to
Margaret Black of the same place. The witnesses of this marriage were
Malcolm McMartin and somebody Black (first name indecipherable). This,
therefore, does not appear to help but I give you the information in
case it may mean more to you than I.

Thus it appears that while Margaret Irvine was married in Trinity
Church, Cornwall, no other record of her exists in our records.
I am sorry that the results of our searching have been so negative."

This was not really negative if the 1851 census is my Margaret. She
would have been christened/baptized in Scotland, as would her
siblings.

Both Margaret and Alexander were married in 1853. It could very well
be that the father had passed away by the time of their marriages so
no record of him.

Now my question, would you say it was safe to "assume" that the
daughter, Margaret IRVING of 1851 census and the Margaret IRVINE who
married in 1853 with a witness of Alexander IRVINE are the same
people? I know
the name changes often because of education of people writing the name
down. This is a direct line of mine. I would really like to be
confident in choosing this 1851 census. What would you do in such a
position, accept the line as yours? The death cert. for my Margaret
does not state who her parents are, either, just who her husband was,
etc.

Thanks for your input.

Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net

Re: [Clan IRVINE] Margaret IRVING - IRVINE question

LassoSterling@aol.com — 2005-11-09T18:19:11-06:00

Dear Lori,

Thanks so much for the information. Actually, I am researching the subject
for a friend,
whose maiden name is Irvine, because she doesn't have a computer of her own.
I will
most definitely pass the information you've provided along to her. Already
knowing that
Drum Castle has strong ties with the Irvines, although not sure yet whether
her particular
family has any connection, she and her husband are planning to visit it in
the near future!
Thanks again for the info. We'll see how it pans out!

Best wishes,

Suzy Stewart

Re: [Clan IRVINE] Margaret IRVING - IRVINE question

LassoSterling@aol.com — 2005-11-09T18:06:08-06:00

Dear Lori,

Thanks so much for the information. Actually, I am researching the subject
for a friend,
whose maiden name is Irvine, because she doesn't have a computer of her own.
I will
most definitely pass the information you've provided along to her. Already
knowing
that Drum Castle has strong ties with the Irvines, although not sure yet
whether her
particular family has any connection, she and her husband are planning to
visit it in
the near future! Thanks again for the info. We'll see how it pans out!

Best wishes,

Suzy Stewart

Re: [Clan IRVINE] Margaret IRVING - IRVINE question

2005-11-08T11:33:49-06:00

Hi Sue,

I don't know if I can help you or not. I thought that when my Mother -in-
law said some of the family names you were looking for sounded familiar.
They did, but I don't know if it is just that the Irvine / Irvings / Irvin's
all named their children the same names. I have traced our family the
Irvin's back to Sir Euchaid Eryvine of Ard RI of Ireland High King born
around 400. My Irvin family all came from Drum Castle which is still
standing in Scotland today. The first Laird was named William and then all
the other Laird's were named Alexander. William and Alexander are very
common names in our family line.

This is the information that I have, but I don't know if it is the same
family members you are looking for.

James Irvine Married 1670 to Margaret Wyle
B. 1680 B. 1650 Ireland

Children
William B. 1690 D. 1767
Alexander b. 1711 d. 1761
Thomas
George
David
James
Samuel
Robert
Margaret
Mary
Maybe you have another line of the Irvine family that I haven't researched
yet.

I would love to share information with you if anything I have can help you
out.

Just let me know.

Lori Foster

PS.
I have over 3,000 family members in my Legacy family book for the Irvin
family.

---- Original Message -----
From: "Sue J"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:51 PM
Subject: [Clan IRVINE] Margaret IRVING - IRVINE question

> Hi List,
>
> I have a real good question for everyone and I hope you can bear with
> me as I give you the facts and info I have. I have been trying to
> find the parents of my Margaret IRVINE who married Robert George
> HARLEY in the Trinity Church in Cornwall, Stormont, Ontario, Canada.
> One of the witnesses on the marriage document I received from the
> Anglican Diocese in Ottawa, Canada was an Alexander IRVINE. It does
> not state who he was in relation to Margaret. =20
>
> My Margaret was born c. 1830. Depending on which census year you look
> in Canada after her marriage, her ethnic background is given as
> English, Scottish or Irish. I found this 1851 census for Martintown,
> Glengarry, Ontario, Canada with children of Alexander and Margaret,
> etc.:
>
> This is the 1851 census for IRVING:
>
> Living at "Village of Martintown "
>
> JAMES IRVING, occupation carpenter, born Scotland, religion Kirk
> of Scotland [in case like me you didn't know, Kirk of means
> Church], status married, age 53
>
> MARGARET IRVING, occupation carpenter's wife, religion, Kirk of
> Scotland, status married, age 55
>
> ALEXANDER IRVING, carpenter lab, born Scotland, religion Kirk of
> Scotland, status single, age 24
>
> MARGARET IRVING, occupation unreadable (but appeared to be "ditto"
> of Alexander's), born Scotland, religion Kirk of Scotland,
> status, single, age 22
>
> MARY IRVING, occupation unreadable (but appeared to be "ditto" of
> Alexander's), born Scotland, religion Kirk of Scotland, status,
> single, age 18
>
> JAMES IRVING, occupation unreadable (but appeared to be "ditto" of
> Alexander's), born Scotland, religion Kirk of Scotland, status,
> single, age 17
>
> Both Alexander and Margaret fit for ages. I could not find any help
> with their parents so I wrote to the Diocese in Ottawa, trying to find
> their parents. They wrote back:
>
> "Dr. Lockwood has asked me to carry out the research you requested in
> your e-mail of 21 October 2005. This I have done and the following is
> my report.
>
> I searched our database (which covers all the baptism, marriage and
> burial records we hold from 1779 to 1960) but could find no record of
> the baptism of Margaret Irvine. As well as Irvine, I tried different
> spellings such as Irvin, Irving, Irwin but all without success.
>
> You mentioned an Alexander Irvine. I searched for his baptism hoping
> that it might give a lead on the parents of Margaret but I could not
> find any record of such for him.
>
> There was a record of the marriage in 1853 in Trinity Church,
> Cornwall, of an Alexander Irvine of the Township of Charlottenburgh to
> Margaret Black of the same place. The witnesses of this marriage were
> Malcolm McMartin and somebody Black (first name indecipherable). This,
> therefore, does not appear to help but I give you the information in
> case it may mean more to you than I.
>
> Thus it appears that while Margaret Irvine was married in Trinity
> Church, Cornwall, no other record of her exists in our records.
> I am sorry that the results of our searching have been so negative."
>
> This was not really negative if the 1851 census is my Margaret. She
> would have been christened/baptized in Scotland, as would her
> siblings.
>
> Both Margaret and Alexander were married in 1853. It could very well
> be that the father had passed away by the time of their marriages so
> no record of him.
>
> Now my question, would you say it was safe to "assume" that the
> daughter, Margaret IRVING of 1851 census and the Margaret IRVINE who
> married in 1853 with a witness of Alexander IRVINE are the same
> people? I know
> the name changes often because of education of people writing the name
> down. This is a direct line of mine. I would really like to be
> confident in choosing this 1851 census. What would you do in such a
> position, accept the line as yours? The death cert. for my Margaret
> does not state who her parents are, either, just who her husband was,
> etc.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net
>
>
>
>
> ==============================
> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records.
> New content added every business day. Learn more:
> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx
>
>

Margaret IRVING - IRVINE question

2005-10-27T13:51:06-06:00

Hi List,

I have a real good question for everyone and I hope you can bear with
me as I give you the facts and info I have. I have been trying to
find the parents of my Margaret IRVINE who married Robert George
HARLEY in the Trinity Church in Cornwall, Stormont, Ontario, Canada.
One of the witnesses on the marriage document I received from the
Anglican Diocese in Ottawa, Canada was an Alexander IRVINE. It does
not state who he was in relation to Margaret. =20

My Margaret was born c. 1830. Depending on which census year you look
in Canada after her marriage, her ethnic background is given as
English, Scottish or Irish. I found this 1851 census for Martintown,
Glengarry, Ontario, Canada with children of Alexander and Margaret,
etc.:

This is the 1851 census for IRVING:

Living at "Village of Martintown "

JAMES IRVING, occupation carpenter, born Scotland, religion Kirk
of Scotland [in case like me you didn't know, Kirk of means
Church], status married, age 53

MARGARET IRVING, occupation carpenter's wife, religion, Kirk of
Scotland, status married, age 55

ALEXANDER IRVING, carpenter lab, born Scotland, religion Kirk of
Scotland, status single, age 24

MARGARET IRVING, occupation unreadable (but appeared to be "ditto"
of Alexander's), born Scotland, religion Kirk of Scotland,
status, single, age 22

MARY IRVING, occupation unreadable (but appeared to be "ditto" of
Alexander's), born Scotland, religion Kirk of Scotland, status,
single, age 18

JAMES IRVING, occupation unreadable (but appeared to be "ditto" of
Alexander's), born Scotland, religion Kirk of Scotland, status,
single, age 17

Both Alexander and Margaret fit for ages. I could not find any help
with their parents so I wrote to the Diocese in Ottawa, trying to find
their parents. They wrote back:

"Dr. Lockwood has asked me to carry out the research you requested in
your e-mail of 21 October 2005. This I have done and the following is
my report.

I searched our database (which covers all the baptism, marriage and
burial records we hold from 1779 to 1960) but could find no record of
the baptism of Margaret Irvine. As well as Irvine, I tried different
spellings such as Irvin, Irving, Irwin but all without success.

You mentioned an Alexander Irvine. I searched for his baptism hoping
that it might give a lead on the parents of Margaret but I could not
find any record of such for him.

There was a record of the marriage in 1853 in Trinity Church,
Cornwall, of an Alexander Irvine of the Township of Charlottenburgh to
Margaret Black of the same place. The witnesses of this marriage were
Malcolm McMartin and somebody Black (first name indecipherable). This,
therefore, does not appear to help but I give you the information in
case it may mean more to you than I.

Thus it appears that while Margaret Irvine was married in Trinity
Church, Cornwall, no other record of her exists in our records.
I am sorry that the results of our searching have been so negative."

This was not really negative if the 1851 census is my Margaret. She
would have been christened/baptized in Scotland, as would her
siblings.

Both Margaret and Alexander were married in 1853. It could very well
be that the father had passed away by the time of their marriages so
no record of him.

Now my question, would you say it was safe to "assume" that the
daughter, Margaret IRVING of 1851 census and the Margaret IRVINE who
married in 1853 with a witness of Alexander IRVINE are the same
people? I know
the name changes often because of education of people writing the name
down. This is a direct line of mine. I would really like to be
confident in choosing this 1851 census. What would you do in such a
position, accept the line as yours? The death cert. for my Margaret
does not state who her parents are, either, just who her husband was,
etc.

Thanks for your input.

Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net