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Quan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdanw@aol.com<mailto:Hdanw@aol.com> To: MADKY-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:MADKY-L@rootsweb.com> ; VAALBEMA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:VAALBEMA-L@rootsweb.com> ; valouisa-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:valouisa-l@rootsweb.com> Cc: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> ; HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE] Shelton Family of Louisa Co., Albemarle Co.,Lunenburg Co., VA & Perhaps of KY A researcher of Madison Co., KY was inquiring about a Shelton family. I have no information about a Shelton family located in Kentucky, but perhaps that family, as did many others of early Kentucky, came from Virginia. My research of several decades indicates that early Kentuckians came from lots of places, as reflected in some of the Kentucky Court of Appeals books abstracted by Michael L. Cook and Bettie Cummings Cook. Mainly, however, they were Virginia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania, but Marylanders and others should be considered *suspect*. (Round up the usual suspects, as William Dollarhide, favorite genealogical author and lecturer, frequently reminds us. That is why I collected this material on Shelton family, who married into my Harris family of Albemarle Co. and earlier of Louisa Co., VA.) Also note the names Glen[n], Gentry,and Dabney names associated with the Harris family of colonial Louisa Co., VA, perhaps Albemarle Co., VA and later of Madison Co., KY. And then everywhere!!! Oh, yes, if you have any material on Nathaniel Williams, cited in one of the deeds below, please give a whistle. He is either a *lost* distant cousin, or, hopefully, of an older generation--a *lost* great uncle!!!! CAUTION: If you use this material in your own work, please include the citation(s). Cite your sources. If soneone cannot replicate your [or my] work, then your work is virtually useless. Submitted by E.W.Wallace Preparer: E.W. Wallace Revised Feb 1999 Rev Oct 2001; edited 6/03 WILLIAM SHELTON. William Shelton, who was married to a daughter of Major Robert Harris of colonial Louisa Co, VA--Lucy Harris--was probably a resident in King William Co., VA before he removed to Louisa or Albemarle Co., VA. Or, more probably, there were several William Sheltons. Shelton was one of two executors of his mother-in-law Mourning Glenn Harris (qv), will proved in Albemarle March Court 1776. The Sheltons may have held land in both Louisa and Albemarle Cos. Also in Lunenburg Co., as indicated in a deed cited below. 1762 - An earlier deed found in Lunenburg Co. indicates that in 1762 William Shelton was of Albemarle Co. Lunenburg Co. DB 7, Jan 13, 1762 from William Shelton of Albemarle County, to Tyree Glen of L[unenburg], for 100 pds., a certain tract of land in L on the east or lower side of Reedy Cr containing 274 acres, being the lower part of the land Joseph Minor purchased of Mackie, and by Minor sold to Joseph Gentry, and by Gentry sold to the said William Shelton, all via L[unenburg Co.] deeds. The land is bounded as per the deed of Joseph Gentry to the said William Shelton. Signed - Wm. Shelton. Wit - Nathll Williams, William Smithson, Jeremiah Glen. Recorded Feb 2, 1762. (TLC Genealogy, LUNENBURG COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS 7 & 8 (1761-1764) [Miami Beach: TLC Genealogy, 1990], p. 21) 1768 - William Shelton in mid-1768 purchased some land in Albemarle Co. from William Dabney and his wife Jane. Albemarle Co. DB 3-37-38: 2 June 1768 between William Dabney & Jane his wife of Albemarle to Wm. Shelton of same.. sum of 200 pds. current money of Virginia.. parcel of land lying on Mechams River, Albemarle Co...corner to Wm. Wallace...Mechams River to the first station. /s/ Wm. Dabney signed, sealed & delivered in the presence of Thomas Grubbs, Elizabeth Jones, Christopher Harris, Robert Harris, Tyre Harris. (Adapted from Ruth & Sam Sparacio, ALBEMARLE COUNTY DEED BOOK 5 1764-1772, PART I [McLean, VA: The Antient Press, 19??], p. 21) According to the index of Rosalie Edith Davis, FREDERICKSVILLE PARISH VESTRY BOOK, 1742-1787, Vol. 1, there were a number of Shelton males in that parish: David, Henry, Joseph, Thomas, William. 1771 - At a vestry held for Fredericksville Parish ye 14th November 1771: (p. 97) Ordered tht James Kerr, Joel Terrell, Wm. Lewis, David Allen, John Barnett, Charles Goodman, Fra. Grymes, Samuel Rea & William Shelton do procession all the lands between Mechams River down to Carrs ford. the Three notched Road, down to Lewis's & the Fredericksburg Road. (Davis, p. 101) Shelton was a neighbor of some other members of the Dabney family as evidenced by the following Louisa Co. deed: 1777 - Louisa Co. DB E-216-217 8 Dec 1777 Isaac Dabney & Anne his wife of King William Co. to Cornelius Dabney of Louisa Co.; 85 pds.; 100 A on the south side of the Southanna River joining lands of Wm. Shelton & land conveyed by me to my Brother Cornelius Dabney. Wit: none 8 Dec 1777 ack. by Isaac Dabney. 13 April 1778 Commission for the Examination of Ann the wife of sd. Dabney (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS E & F, 1774-1790 [Manchester, MO: Privately published 1983], p. 24-25) 1783 - At a vestry held for Fredericksville Parish the 13th day of November 1783 at Charlottesville .... (p. 119) Ordered that James Keer, George Divers, John Marks, William Shelton, Charles Goodman, Claudious Bustard do possession all the lands from Mechams River down to Carrs ford, the three Notched Road, down to Lewises old place. (Davis, p. 124) 1785 - Wm. Sheltons line in Louisa Co. is mentioned: Louisa Co. DB F-35-36 is a deed dated 7 April 1785 Thomas Johnson & Catherine his wife of Louisa Co. to Wm. Lovell of same.... 90 A. on waters of Owens Cr... Wm. Sheltons line... John Symes line... Johnsons line (Davis, p. 50) 1786 - Louisa Co. DB F-192-193 16 Oct 1786 Thomas Johnston of Louisa Co. to John Richardson of Hanover Co.; 100 pds. 216 A. in Louisa Co. near Owens Cr. adj. lands of Collo. John Syme & known by the name of Bobits old Tract... corner of Late Capt. Joseph Sheltons line... Symes line... Lovels parcel of land bought of sd. Bobbits tract... William Shelton's line. /s/ Thos. Johnson Catharine Johnson Wit: Jesse Lacy, Stephen Farrar, Elisabeth (X) Johnson (Davis, p. 66) 1787 A William Shelton and a William Shelton, Sr. appear on the 1787 personal property list of Albemarle Co., VA. Shelton, William - self - 1 white poll - 5 blacks above 16; 7 blacks under 16; 9 horses; 25 cattle Shelton, William, Sr. - self - 1-0-0-2-5 Shelton, Henry - self - 0-7-8-7-47 (Adapted from Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Florine Speakman Love, THE 1787 CENSUS OF VIRGINIA [Springfield, VA: Genealogical Books in Print] 1788 - Louisa Co. DB F-299-301 5 April 1788 Cornelius Dabney to William Shelton, both of Louisa Co., St. Martain's Par.; 63 pds-8s-9d; by late survey 36 1/2 A. bounded by lines of sd. parties, beginning at the old Mountain Road on the line of sd. Shelton... sd. Road, down same. /s/ Corl. Dabney Wit: James Shelton, Jesse Shelton, William Shelton Junr., Philemon Frayser 14 April 1788 ack by Corl. Dabney (Davis, p. 78) (As one noted genealogist-lecturer-author says in her lectures on Virginia research [and this applies to Kentucky and practically any other early State], If you are searching in Virginia, SEARCH ALL THE COUNTIES.) EWW **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047<http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047>) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-SOUTHSIDE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VA-SOUTHSIDE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Quan Pruitt" <pruitt@msn.com> 2008-08-24T22:45:13-06:00 [VA-SOUTHSIDE] Shelton Family of Louisa Co., Albemarle Co., Lunenburg Co., VA & Perhaps of KY http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/VA-SOUTHSIDE/2008-08/1219534456 A researcher of Madison Co., KY was inquiring about a Shelton family. I have no information about a Shelton family located in Kentucky, but perhaps that family, as did many others of early Kentucky, came from Virginia. My research of several decades indicates that early Kentuckians came from lots of places, as reflected in some of the Kentucky Court of Appeals books abstracted by Michael L. Cook and Bettie Cummings Cook. Mainly, however, they were Virginia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania, but Marylanders and others should be considered *suspect*. (Round up the usual suspects, as William Dollarhide, favorite genealogical author and lecturer, frequently reminds us. That is why I collected this material on Shelton family, who married into my Harris family of Albemarle Co. and earlier of Louisa Co., VA.) Also note the names Glen[n], Gentry,and Dabney names associated with the Harris family of colonial Louisa Co., VA, perhaps Albemarle Co., VA and later of Madison Co., KY. And then everywhere!!! Oh, yes, if you have any material on Nathaniel Williams, cited in one of the deeds below, please give a whistle. He is either a *lost* distant cousin, or, hopefully, of an older generation--a *lost* great uncle!!!! CAUTION: If you use this material in your own work, please include the citation(s). Cite your sources. If soneone cannot replicate your [or my] work, then your work is virtually useless. Submitted by E.W.Wallace Preparer: E.W. Wallace Revised Feb 1999 Rev Oct 2001; edited 6/03 WILLIAM SHELTON. William Shelton, who was married to a daughter of Major Robert Harris of colonial Louisa Co, VA--Lucy Harris--was probably a resident in King William Co., VA before he removed to Louisa or Albemarle Co., VA. Or, more probably, there were several William Sheltons. Shelton was one of two executors of his mother-in-law Mourning Glenn Harris (qv), will proved in Albemarle March Court 1776. The Sheltons may have held land in both Louisa and Albemarle Cos. Also in Lunenburg Co., as indicated in a deed cited below. 1762 - An earlier deed found in Lunenburg Co. indicates that in 1762 William Shelton was of Albemarle Co. Lunenburg Co. DB 7, Jan 13, 1762 from William Shelton of Albemarle County, to Tyree Glen of L[unenburg], for 100 pds., a certain tract of land in L on the east or lower side of Reedy Cr containing 274 acres, being the lower part of the land Joseph Minor purchased of Mackie, and by Minor sold to Joseph Gentry, and by Gentry sold to the said William Shelton, all via L[unenburg Co.] deeds. The land is bounded as per the deed of Joseph Gentry to the said William Shelton. Signed - Wm. Shelton. Wit - Nathll Williams, William Smithson, Jeremiah Glen. Recorded Feb 2, 1762. (TLC Genealogy, LUNENBURG COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS 7 & 8 (1761-1764) [Miami Beach: TLC Genealogy, 1990], p. 21) 1768 - William Shelton in mid-1768 purchased some land in Albemarle Co. from William Dabney and his wife Jane. Albemarle Co. DB 3-37-38: 2 June 1768 between William Dabney & Jane his wife of Albemarle to Wm. Shelton of same.. sum of 200 pds. current money of Virginia.. parcel of land lying on Mechams River, Albemarle Co...corner to Wm. Wallace...Mechams River to the first station. /s/ Wm. Dabney signed, sealed & delivered in the presence of Thomas Grubbs, Elizabeth Jones, Christopher Harris, Robert Harris, Tyre Harris. (Adapted from Ruth & Sam Sparacio, ALBEMARLE COUNTY DEED BOOK 5 1764-1772, PART I [McLean, VA: The Antient Press, 19??], p. 21) According to the index of Rosalie Edith Davis, FREDERICKSVILLE PARISH VESTRY BOOK, 1742-1787, Vol. 1, there were a number of Shelton males in that parish: David, Henry, Joseph, Thomas, William. 1771 - At a vestry held for Fredericksville Parish ye 14th November 1771: (p. 97) Ordered tht James Kerr, Joel Terrell, Wm. Lewis, David Allen, John Barnett, Charles Goodman, Fra. Grymes, Samuel Rea & William Shelton do procession all the lands between Mechams River down to Carrs ford. the Three notched Road, down to Lewis's & the Fredericksburg Road. (Davis, p. 101) Shelton was a neighbor of some other members of the Dabney family as evidenced by the following Louisa Co. deed: 1777 - Louisa Co. DB E-216-217 8 Dec 1777 Isaac Dabney & Anne his wife of King William Co. to Cornelius Dabney of Louisa Co.; 85 pds.; 100 A on the south side of the Southanna River joining lands of Wm. Shelton & land conveyed by me to my Brother Cornelius Dabney. Wit: none 8 Dec 1777 ack. by Isaac Dabney. 13 April 1778 Commission for the Examination of Ann the wife of sd. Dabney (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS E & F, 1774-1790 [Manchester, MO: Privately published 1983], p. 24-25) 1783 - At a vestry held for Fredericksville Parish the 13th day of November 1783 at Charlottesville .... (p. 119) Ordered that James Keer, George Divers, John Marks, William Shelton, Charles Goodman, Claudious Bustard do possession all the lands from Mechams River down to Carrs ford, the three Notched Road, down to Lewises old place. (Davis, p. 124) 1785 - Wm. Sheltons line in Louisa Co. is mentioned: Louisa Co. DB F-35-36 is a deed dated 7 April 1785 Thomas Johnson & Catherine his wife of Louisa Co. to Wm. Lovell of same.... 90 A. on waters of Owens Cr... Wm. Sheltons line... John Symes line... Johnsons line (Davis, p. 50) 1786 - Louisa Co. DB F-192-193 16 Oct 1786 Thomas Johnston of Louisa Co. to John Richardson of Hanover Co.; 100 pds. 216 A. in Louisa Co. near Owens Cr. adj. lands of Collo. John Syme & known by the name of Bobits old Tract... corner of Late Capt. Joseph Sheltons line... Symes line... Lovels parcel of land bought of sd. Bobbits tract... William Shelton's line. /s/ Thos. Johnson Catharine Johnson Wit: Jesse Lacy, Stephen Farrar, Elisabeth (X) Johnson (Davis, p. 66) 1787 A William Shelton and a William Shelton, Sr. appear on the 1787 personal property list of Albemarle Co., VA. Shelton, William - self - 1 white poll - 5 blacks above 16; 7 blacks under 16; 9 horses; 25 cattle Shelton, William, Sr. - self - 1-0-0-2-5 Shelton, Henry - self - 0-7-8-7-47 (Adapted from Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Florine Speakman Love, THE 1787 CENSUS OF VIRGINIA [Springfield, VA: Genealogical Books in Print] 1788 - Louisa Co. DB F-299-301 5 April 1788 Cornelius Dabney to William Shelton, both of Louisa Co., St. Martain's Par.; 63 pds-8s-9d; by late survey 36 1/2 A. bounded by lines of sd. parties, beginning at the old Mountain Road on the line of sd. Shelton... sd. Road, down same. /s/ Corl. Dabney Wit: James Shelton, Jesse Shelton, William Shelton Junr., Philemon Frayser 14 April 1788 ack by Corl. Dabney (Davis, p. 78) (As one noted genealogist-lecturer-author says in her lectures on Virginia research [and this applies to Kentucky and practically any other early State], If you are searching in Virginia, SEARCH ALL THE COUNTIES.) EWW **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) Hdanw@aol.com 2008-08-23T17:34:16-06:00 Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE] Harrold/Herreld etc http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/VA-SOUTHSIDE/2008-08/1218927733 Judy, Robert Harreld had a son named John.. Robert Harreld was one of two sons of James Harreld of Washington co. Va.. James died in Wash. co. in 1796 and willed his land to Robert, James and daughter, Mary Marshall.. Robert and Mary Marshall moved to Warren co. Ky and son, James, died about 1800.. When James II died, his part of the farm went his son James who sold it to my ggggrandfather, Basil Warren, in 1816.. I have seen some information on the internet which purports that Robert was born in Nansemond co. VA.. but I don't think it is reliable because DNA from a proven descendant of Robert does not match any of the lines in Nansemond co. or Eastern NC, infact, that DNA sample matches my DNA.. The DNA group is Line Five on the Harrell Website DNA Charts. I am sure Robert was not the son of a William Harrell. Robert is named in the Will of James, his father and is well documented in Washington co. Va.. He was born 1760 or before because he was in the Battle of Point Pleasant in 1774... GLH >> would love to see some information on my line. I received this information back in the 1980's and have never tried to confirm it. I have an Eliza J. Herreld that married Thomas M. James in Butler Co., KY in 1841. She was the daughter of John D. and Nancy (Davis). John D. is supposed to be the son of Robert and Margaret (Edmiston). Robert (b. 1761) is supposedly the son of William Harreld of Nansemond Co., VA. Do the folks sound familiar to anyone? Judy Penrod Purcell Cedar Hill, TX >> "GLH" <glh@naxs.com> 2008-08-16T17:02:13-06:00 [VA-SOUTHSIDE] Harrold/Herreld etc http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/VA-SOUTHSIDE/2008-08/1218921732 I would love to see some information on my line. I received this information back in the 1980's and have never tried to confirm it. I have an Eliza J. Herreld that married Thomas M. James in Butler Co., KY in 1841. She was the daughter of John D. and Nancy (Davis). John D. is supposed to be the son of Robert and Margaret (Edmiston). Robert (b. 1761) is supposedly the son of William Harreld of Nansemond Co., VA. Do the folks sound familiar to anyone? Judy Penrod Purcell Cedar Hill, TX > To: <VA-Southside@Rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <16D8A07C981A4E97A0C1CA79F8ADF363@GarnettLHearPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > To All: > I am looking for Harrells, Herrells, Harrolds etc. who are interested in > discussing their ancestoral lines in Va. and NC.. We now have over 100 > participants who have been tested through the Harrell DNA Project and we > have identified at least ten separate groups of these families who settled > from PA down the east coast to Nansemond co. Va. and NC.. If you are a > direct male to male Harrold, Herrell, Harrell etc. and are interested in > taking the DNA test, please contact me at: glh@naxs.com > Thanks, > G. Lee Hearl > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > > > > "Judy Purcell" <judyppurcell@tx.rr.com> 2008-08-16T15:22:12-06:00 [VA-SOUTHSIDE] Looking for Herrells, Harrells, Harrolds etc. on List: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/VA-SOUTHSIDE/2008-08/1218851625 To All: I am looking for Harrells, Herrells, Harrolds etc. who are interested in discussing their ancestoral lines in Va. and NC.. We now have over 100 participants who have been tested through the Harrell DNA Project and we have identified at least ten separate groups of these families who settled from PA down the east coast to Nansemond co. Va. and NC.. If you are a direct male to male Harrold, Herrell, Harrell etc. and are interested in taking the DNA test, please contact me at: glh@naxs.com Thanks, G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller "GLH" <glh@naxs.com> 2008-08-15T19:53:45-06:00 Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE] Hankins Family Keysville http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/VA-SOUTHSIDE/2008-08/1218690320 "Hankins" is an old James City county/Williamsburg name. DFM ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <bobaker@zoominternet.net>; <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE] Hankins Family Keysville > Hankins family missing in 1880 census!!! Not an unusual occurrence!!! > > I suppose you have used the index on the Family History Library website, > which will direct you to the actual image on Ancestry.com. > > The latter company is NOT supposed to charge a fee, but last time I looked > there was notice a fee was involved. _www.familysearch.org_ > (http://www.familysearch.org) The opening screen has been changed > and I have to squint to > find what I want!!!! Such as the Family History Library catalog. The > original indexing was done by FHLibrary people years ago, and released, > for some > reason [possibly monetary] to Ancestry.com. > > Second, misspell the name. Have you tried Hawkins? One smart cookie > told > me to try this--type in the first three letter of the surname and then > add an > asterisk [wild card]. I suggest you change the vowel--change the a to > other > vowels!!! > > This is what I did with a common name in the UK census--the common name > being Holmes. Of course, the British censuses in many ways are more > detailed > than some of ours. I typed in only the surname Holmes, and then the > birthplace. > Bingo!!! I found them--the missing brothers of my ancestress--in the > suburbs of London. > > Some of the persons who compiled the indexes to the censuses had these > problems: > > 1) Some of them were not conversant with the English surnames. > > I think some of Ancestry.com's census indexes, but probably not the 1880, > was outsourced, but, if I remember the 1880 was compiled by volunteers > associated with the Family History Library, and were first released on > CD=ROMs. I > have mine around here somewhere--gathering dust!! The FHL generally has > someone check such things as the 1880 census index. I suspect the > census-taker > may have entered a misspelled name. Furthermore, your ancestors may not > be in > the PLACE where you think they should be. > > 2) As most of us have experienced, the indexers could not read the old > handwriting. I have been squinting at a Kentucky deed, as taken from FHL > microfilm, and I am having a terrible time making out every word. > > 3) Then there are just omissions, commisions of misspelling, etc. > > E.W.Wallace > been there--done that, and am bound to continue with brick walls from time > to time!!! > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VA-SOUTHSIDE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > <country.gardens@cox.net> 2008-08-13T23:05:20-06:00 Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE] Hankins Family Keysville http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/VA-SOUTHSIDE/2008-08/1218683830 Hankins family missing in 1880 census!!! Not an unusual occurrence!!! I suppose you have used the index on the Family History Library website, which will direct you to the actual image on Ancestry.com. The latter company is NOT supposed to charge a fee, but last time I looked there was notice a fee was involved. _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) The opening screen has been changed and I have to squint to find what I want!!!! Such as the Family History Library catalog. The original indexing was done by FHLibrary people years ago, and released, for some reason [possibly monetary] to Ancestry.com. Second, misspell the name. Have you tried Hawkins? One smart cookie told me to try this--type in the first three letter of the surname and then add an asterisk [wild card]. I suggest you change the vowel--change the a to other vowels!!! This is what I did with a common name in the UK census--the common name being Holmes. Of course, the British censuses in many ways are more detailed than some of ours. I typed in only the surname Holmes, and then the birthplace. Bingo!!! I found them--the missing brothers of my ancestress--in the suburbs of London. Some of the persons who compiled the indexes to the censuses had these problems: 1) Some of them were not conversant with the English surnames. I think some of Ancestry.com's census indexes, but probably not the 1880, was outsourced, but, if I remember the 1880 was compiled by volunteers associated with the Family History Library, and were first released on CD=ROMs. I have mine around here somewhere--gathering dust!! The FHL generally has someone check such things as the 1880 census index. I suspect the census-taker may have entered a misspelled name. Furthermore, your ancestors may not be in the PLACE where you think they should be. 2) As most of us have experienced, the indexers could not read the old handwriting. I have been squinting at a Kentucky deed, as taken from FHL microfilm, and I am having a terrible time making out every word. 3) Then there are just omissions, commisions of misspelling, etc. E.W.Wallace been there--done that, and am bound to continue with brick walls from time to time!!! **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) Hdanw@aol.com 2008-08-13T21:17:10-06:00 [VA-SOUTHSIDE] Hankins Family Keysville http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/VA-SOUTHSIDE/2008-08/1218672065 Hello, Can someone give me some help as to where to look or whom to ask: I'm trying to find out what happened to the Lafayette Alexander & Sarah Hankins family and the Theophilus & Margaret Hankins family in 1880. They are present in the 1870 census in the farms around Keysville, their farms near their father's (William "Buck" Hankins & his wife Susan). But they are nowhere to be found in 1880. The daughter of LA Hankins (Ella) is living wth her maternal grandparents, Jonathan & Sarah Flippin. Lafayette Alexander and his family end up in Fayette County, PA by the 1900 census. But between 1870 and 1900, I can't find them. My theory is this: William "Buck" Hankins died in 1973. His wife Susan died in 1878. I'm wondering if at their deaths a number of the adult children sold their farms and left Charlotte County. If that's true, there should be deed records of sale in Charlotte County. Also, I'm wondering if a will exists for William and Susan. Thank you in advance for your suggestions. Barbara Vogele Obaker Gibsonia, Allegheny County, PA Researching: PA: Vogele-Frye-Berkey-Seger-Claycomb-Buell-Penrod-Shaffer-Oats-Bittner-Bishop-Dibert-Berkebile-Zimmerman-Ripple-Clark-Whipkey-Obaker-Coughenour-Bennett-Lang-Beatty-Woodward-Klites-Bruck-Work MD: Obaker-Goodwin-Knapp-Stegemuller VA: Hankins-Flippin-DeJarnette-Staples-Sudberry-Rudd-Mumford "Barbara Obaker" <bobaker@zoominternet.net> 2008-08-13T18:01:05-06:00 [VA-SOUTHSIDE] Halifax Co Va, Black Education http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/VA-SOUTHSIDE/2008-08/1218589395 Greetings, I own a book titled "The History of the Education of Black Citizens in Halifax County: 1866 - 1969." The book is paperback written by W.C. Edwards ( have a copy of his Obit), Preston M. Royster and Lazarus Bates. The book gives the history of black schools in Halifax County. The book lists the names of graduates of the Halifax Training School for the years 1935 till 1969 The book also lists the teaching staff. It lists the education of the teachers, what subjects they could teach, and what subjects they did teach. It lists the period during which they taught. Etc. I am willing to do lookups. In order to not clog up this list with posts others are not interested in, I will not answer any requests posted on this list. Please send your requests to me at: lchand3835@cox.net Larry In HALIFAX COUNTY, Va. seeking Afro-American Brown Byrd Chandler Chappell Lacy Younger. "Larry Chandler" <lchand3835@cox.net> 2008-08-12T19:03:15-06:00 [VA-SOUTHSIDE] James Green Morris http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/VA-SOUTHSIDE/2008-08/1218322756 I am trying to find where and when James Green Morris and Sarah Henry Davis were married. Both were living in Greensville County Virginia. They were married about 1850. Does anyone know where the marriage took place? I am hoping to learn of their parents. Thanks Bob Morris "bobmorris2" <bobmorris2@cox.net> 2008-08-09T16:59:16-06:00