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From: "Sarah" <>
Subject: Re: [G-T] Germans neglected in the Alamo Masonic Cemetery
Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 11:05:48 -0500
>>Has anyone contacted the local "Jobs Daughters" or "Rainbow Girls"
>>organizations. They are daughter organizations of the Masons and will
help if they are made aware. Perhaps the local Masonic group can contact
them with a request for help.<<Pat Borden
Sorry to get back so late, I've been a bit overwhelmed and now I have
started to contact every Rootsweb Surname List that has their name on a
tombstone. Today I need to go back to the cemetery and visit the Meusebachs
and Dr. Herff. Mamma is now on my case. Remember she is a 5th generation
Texas German and now that she has direct access she is threatening me that
she will tell Stephan, Joseph, and Rudolf Klein if I don't finish what I
started. She's holding off telling her father, I guess she knows he will get
on HER case, not mine. Sorry for rambling....I need to turn off this
computer. I'm talking to more dead people than normal these days.
It would be grand if I got there and somebody was out there cleaning up.
Jessie Degollado at Channel 12 called me and said 2 landscapers had
volunteered their time, they were touched by the story on TV.
I haven't heard from the San Antonio DeMolay grown-ups I emailed, so I found
the email addresses of the kids listed as the leaders. Also the
Fredericksburg Masons. (I sent them the pictures of the Meusebach plot next
to the dumpster. Mr. Meusebach founded Fredericksburg and made the treaty
with the Indian, so I thought they might help.) No responses as of yet.
And my letters were very nice I thought.
This letter was posted on the Freemason List on Rootsweb, I guess it must be
an opinion other Masons share as well. :-( I feel like I'm wasting my time
with the Masonic organizations, so I'd rather stick to us genealogists. We
like dead people.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FREEMASONS] A reply to Ireland from the San Antonio Masons
As a Mason, I agree that a cemetery bearing the name "Masonic" that has gone
to seed is truly a sad thing. However, it is not the responsibility of the
Mason Fraternity to perform maintenance on the place. Have you considered
contacting the ancestors of those buried there? We are a benevolent lot and
I assure you I can only speak for myself, but whatever money we raise, in my
opinion, should benefit the living. If you live in San Antonio and feel the
cemetery needs upkeep, why not ask for help? why does it have to come from
the Masonic Order? You have said that the place is in an area that the
police watch over - perhaps this is a clue as to why no Brother Mason has
approached the place, as, by and large, we have become mostly senior
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:42 PM
Subject: [FREEMASONS] A reply to Ireland from the San Antonio Masons
Hoping to get help from Masons interested in history may not be the best
approach. I'm getting far more responses from the German-Texas List.
I did want y'all to see the professional response that the gentleman in
Ireland got from the Texas Masons.
Don't y'all have a more appropriate form of address when you correspond
with one another? Also, I'm not sure if the Prince Mason and Past Master,
First Lodge of Ireland understands the term 'snit.' It may be indigenous to
Texas, an abbreviation of 'hissey-fit.' He may have thought it a typo for
s*it. We'll see.
"Not up to par" ??? I need to send those photos to Mr. Lively. He
apparently has not looked at the website. It's a sure bet he hasn't been to
the cemetery in years.
Sarah in Texas
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:31 AM
Subject: Alamo Masonic Cemetery
You should get all of the facts before going off on a snit.
Things are being done, and things have been done. Your only source of
information is from a person who has no information.
I agree that the cemetery is not up to par, because of lack of money, and
gross neglect by the families of those in the cemetery.
We are preparing to turn it over to the City of San Antonio Parks
Department. They will be able to bring it up to scale soon.
I have been trying for 30 years, but that lady who put the word out on the
internet has brought more attention than I was ever able to get.
Should you like to keep up with the facts of the case. I will do so.
Donald L. Lively
Past Master of
Alamo Masonic Lodge
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: Masonic Cemetery
Dear Sir and Brother.
I have just read of the disgraceful state of the Alamo Masonic cemetery in
I am extremely upset that something bearing the term "Masonic" in it's
should receive such a bad press and the last remains of people, who I
presume were Masons, should lie in such unseemly surroundings.
I hope that one of the local Lodges, or if there is a Grand Lodge in San
Antonio, will take steps to rectify this disgrace which is surely showing
Masonry in a bad light.
Yours sincerely and fraternally,
Prince Mason and Past Master, First Lodge of Ireland.
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