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From: Whit Dartez< >
Subject: Re: Marie Sale
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:19:50 -0600


Hi: This won't help the hardcore believers in the myth of Marie Sale and
Jean Claude. But it might help other researchers. This saga has been
going on since early July. Hope this helps somebody.

Suzanne Whyte put this on the list 27 Jul 1998

Subject: SALE.MARIE

Here is a copy of some info that I received when I asked about Marie Sale
Some researchers are under the impression that the ancestor of the
LANDRYS was Jean Claude LANDRY, spouse of Marie SALLE, but no one of this
name appears in any document concerning Acadians from the beginning.

In the censuses of 1671 and 1678, the deceased husband of Marie SALLE is
simply called Jean (or even Jehan according to the 1671 census) Claude. A
researcher with a lot imagination aded LANDRY to the name of Jean Claude
in order to explain why Marie SALLE lived between Rene LANDRY the younger
and his son Antoine LANDRY on the census of 1686. It was long presumed
that this Marie SALLE was the same as the one who was married to Martin
AUCOIN at LaRochelle in 1632, which could be true and
that she was related, by the first marriage to Michelle AUCOIN, to the
daughter at whose home she lived in the censuses of 1671 and 1678, which
is also possible. The only way the researchers could prove the
association of Marie SALLE to Rene LANDRY the younger was in transforming
her husband Jean Claude to Jean Claude LANDRY and in presuming moreover
that this would be the father of Rene the younger. We
add that this reasoning doesn't hold water. It isn't logical to suppose
that the family name of Jean Claude was omitted by two distinct census
takers. we note that there are those who have already rejected the faulty
idea that the second spouse of Marie SALLE was a LANDRY and have even
advanced the hypothesis that he was an Amerindian. This is possible, but
we mention that it is also possible he was a Frenchman because CLAUDE was
a distinguished family name in French households in the 17th century.
Censuses give us no other indication of the origin of Jean Claude so his
origin as all the French origins of the LANDRYS, too, remain to be
determined."

Hope this is of some interest,
Suzanne Whyte

Tony Leblanc put this on the list Wed, 29 Jul 1998

At the risk of causing MORE discussion on the whole Marie Salle question,
I was over to the Centre d'Etudes Acadiennes today and checked the draft
copy of Mr. White's Dictionaire Genealogique.

The marriage of Martin Aucoin and Marie Salle took place on 20 Jan 1632
at St-Barthelemy de La Rochelle in France. Stephen White lists one child
of this couple, one Jean, baptised at the same place 15 Nov 1632, and
then lists Martin Aucoin as probably the son of this couple, based on the
notes of Pere Gallant (from and article on the Aucoin family in the
Cahiers de la Societe Historique Acadienne, vol. IV, 1972). Since Martin
was born around 1651, we can conclude that the marriage of Marie Salle to
"Jehan Claude" took place sometime after that. Also, as others have
pointed out, there is NO indication that this "Jehan Claude" individual
was a Landry, and certainly this couple were not the parents of any of
the first Landry
individuals in Acadia (either Rene, Perrine, or Antoinette).
On a related note, Mr. White points out that Michelle Aucoin and Jeanne
Aucoin, married to Michel Boudrot and Francois Girouard respectively, can
be shown to be sisters, from dispensations, but that they cannot be shown
to be related to Martin Aucoin.

Hope this helps

Kindest regards

Tony LeBlanc, CG(C)

Later
Whit Dartez
of Houston, TX

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