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From: "Kith-n-Kin" <>
Subject: Re: [ADVANRES] Searching issues
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:33:21 -0700
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All

I am so grateful for everyone's help on this German issue, and something came up that made me stop and
think:

I said:
|>And, because Frederick could write, he signed it to his choosing --
|>Helvering/Helverin.
|>
And Bob Gillis said:
||How do you know he wrote it?

I went back to the original document -- or my photo of it, anyway, and discovered that my mind isn't as
good as it used to be. So, please, a little more help here.

I have posted the document at http://members.cox.net/kith-n-kin/Helvering.pdf

As you will see, the "Frederick Helvering" is clear as can be, when penned by the clerk. When signed by
Frederick, however, oops.

I don't read German (I have enough trouble with 18th century "English"), so I'm not too clear if he
actually signed the document "Helvering." I do not see a terminal "g", but then, I can't read the rest of
the letters either, looks something like Holbriningou. And, Frederick looks more like Frieder* or
something. Well, never mind what *I* think, I'm wishing for other opinions from those of you who have
studied Germanic script.

Can anyone help?

Uh, Bob, what does this mean:
|What you ancestor probably meant was the he was of Helver or Helfer as
|the genitive of Helfer would be Helferin, AIR.


Bob said:
|his name could have been written Helferin in 1812 and then
|after the was
|in later records it got change to Helvering and that is the way he
|signed it in later documents.

The earliest document I have is the 1808 nat. paper. I've never seen the original of the 1812 roster. He
sold a bunch of property, but I'll have to look and see if there is a signature, I don't think so.

|There is today a Helferskirchen near Koblenz which could have been in
|French control in the late 1700s as were Alsace, Lorraine, the
|Saar and
|other territories.

I'll perhaps get a chance to wave at Helferskirchen in April, as we're boating it down the Rhine. What fun
-- but no time to look at church records, I suspect.

Pat (in Tucson)



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