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From: kql <>
Subject: Re: [ADVANRES] Searching issues
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:35:25 -0800
> As you will see, the "Frederick Helvering" is clear as can be, when
> penned by the clerk. When signed by Frederick, however, oops.
> I don't read German (I have enough trouble with 18th century
> "English"), so I'm not too clear if he actually signed the document
> "Helvering." I do not see a terminal "g", but then, I can't read the
> rest of the letters either, looks something like Holbriningou. And,
> Frederick looks more like Frieder* or something.
Looks like Friedrich Holbringen/Helbringen/Helbringer to me. There
appears to be a letter between the i and the n in the surname in the
second signature, but not the first. I don't think any letter in that
position would sound right.
Helbringer might be it because there are a lot of entries for that name
in Bas-Rhin, France in the IGI. (Bas-Rhin is part of Alsace.) There
are also a lot of Helbringers in the GeneaNet databases, and there are
Helbringers in the online French phone book, most in Alsace.
> The earliest document I have is the 1808 nat. paper. I've never seen
> the original of the 1812 roster. He sold a bunch of property, but
> I'll have to look and see if there is a signature, I don't think so.
Have you tried to get his military records? Also check to see if he
bought land as part of a bounty warrant received as a result of serving
in the war.