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From: "taylorgen" <>
Subject: Re: [AFHA] Re: How to list adopted children
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:44:57 -0500
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I agree with you I have just put 8 kids back together with each other who
were 3 taken by the state
of Oklahoma in 1976 and the Parents went on to have 5 other children before
the father shot and killed the mother
in 1988.Three of these kids didn't even know the other five were even borned
and the state broken up 3 brother
who can remember each other being taken away. This makes me mad when the
Parents of the adopted boys all say
they were willing to take all three.The state of Oklahoma will now because
of this case do adopted search without
a fee when before they wonted 600.00 dollars. Five of these were in another
state which made a phone call and put them
in touch.Oklahoma couldn't do that at that time but we have found them on
our on but they have change the law now.
Because of our precision.The children had a reunion yesterday and they are
all alike in so many ways so yes it is
genetics.
Joann

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mysty McPherson" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFHA] Re: How to list adopted children


> In many states - maybe all - when an adoption occurs such as your son's
> apparently was, state law requires that the original birth record be
sealed
> and a corrected or amended birth certificate be issued. The "new"
> certificate is the one used for Social Security, passports, etc. It also
> makes the adopted child the legal and lawful heir of the adoptive
parent(s)
> so that, for instance, in the case of an intestate death, the child will
> receive his/her rightful share to any estate. The original can be accessed
> by court order - which effectively eliminates the possibility of the
> original information being easily accessible to everyone and anyone who
> comes along.
>
> In some instances I can understand the thinking behind this sort of legal
> protection. That doesn't mean I necessarily approve. Most of these laws
> were written back in the dark ages when divorce and multiple marriages and
> adoption, to say nothing of illegitimate or single-parent kids, were high
> priority on society's no-no list. Designed to protect the adoptive child,
> these laws are sometimes carried way too far, stretched to lengths that
are
> ludicrous, interpreted erroneously. Affluence, political pressure, and
the
> like have nothing to do with the amended *public* birth record. The law
is
> the law and that's that.
>
> Been there. Done that. I have my daughter's *original* birth
certificate.
> If for any reason I need another copy, I know where to go and what to do
to
> get one (and that's stated very clearly in my genealogical records so
others
> will know too). I also have her amended one - the one for Social Security
> and a passport and sometimes even employers to see/use. It's no Big Deal.
>
> Genealogically speaking, just be glad there are birth certificates today.
A
> hundred years ago or so there was no such animal. A baptismal
certificate,
> maybe. A family bible, maybe. Nothing official, that's for sure. In
many
> states the law requiring sealed original birth certificates has a time
limit
> on it (I'm sure each state is different - they usually are in everything,
> aren't they?) so that eventually the record can be accessed - probably
after
> the projected life span of the adoptive child has ended and probably only
by
> proven "next-of-kin." Were I including a known adoptive child in my
> genealogy (actually, I am - my daughter), I'd be absolutely certain that
> somewhere in all the paperwork there'd be documented evidence of the fact.
> It need not be on the front cover in big, bold letters; but it should -
nay,
> *must* - be there somewhere for future generations. I've had to struggle
> and dig too hard to prove errors in printed genealogical data - errors,
> purposeful or not, perpetuated even today and fought over hotly by those
who
> insist upon continuing the error - to even consider "pleasing" someone
who'd
> rather spread non-facts/lies than have the facts/truth known down thru the
> centuries.
>
> Mysty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale Thompson <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 5:38 AM
> Subject: [AFHA] Re: How to list adopted children
>
>
> > Touchy subject... and a sore spot with me, I have a son who was adopted
> > and no longer has my name. The adoption went against my wishes, but the
> > courts do what they see fit. They even changed his Birth Certificate,
> > not only was I deleted from it, and replaced by someone who is not even
> > blood related to him, they changed other information as well, such as
> > the place that he was born. He was born in the local hospital, but his
> > Birth Certificate now lists a local street address which is not the
> > hospital. In this case money won out, as his adopted father had more
> > money than I did. Where does the State get the right to change the info.
> > on a Birth Certificate? We are who we are born as, that is who we will
> > be all our lives, that is who we will die as. A Birth Certificate should
> > be almost sacred, NO ONE should be allowed to change what is entered on
> > it when a person is born. How long has this been going on? Who knows,
> > think about this when you look at that Birth Certificate that you
> > searched for years to find. My son knows me and that I am his father,
> > but for those who ask "what if he finds out by looking in my records?"
> > If the child is old enough to find it in your records, then they are old
> > enough to know who they really are. For those who would keep a person's
> > identity secret from them, such as an adopted child's parents, I say
> > this, I believe that over 90% of who we are is determined by genetics.
> > The more that you know about your ancestors, the more you will
> > understand about yourself. This is only my humble opinion, and I'm sure
> > that some will disagree. I just want all of you to consider these things
> > when you look at that Birth Certificate, what's on it might not be
> > correct.
> >
> > Dale in Texas
> >
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