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ALT-GENEALOGY-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 6
Today's Topics:
#1 Re: Scottish Clan Septs [Lesley Robertson <l.a.robertson@st]
#2 History Fair in Ballarat [ (Clare Gervas]
#3 Locating old city records? ["Bruce Phillips Johnson" <]
#4 Betchley - Nyack NY - ["Bill Betchley" <Hi.Way.Technologi]
#5 Re: Decapitation - NJ Newspaper lo [ (Susan ]
#6 Re: How to deal with tightfisted s [ (Mfernest)]
#7 Re: Sharing your GEDCOM file? []
#8 Re: Sharing your GEDCOM file? []
#9 ignore please [ (Kitty-goth)]
#10 Re: Germany [ (Celia E. Mi]
#11 William David Hood [Zoomer <>]
#12 Windsor Castle [Yvonne Pratt <]
#13 Re: Sharing your GEDCOM file? []
#14 Importing FTW Files [ (Doug Artis)]
#15 Family Tree Maker - help [ (M&T)]
#16 Montreal Phone lookup [ (Dan & Debbie)]
#17 Balancing "work" and genealogy [ (Tm n Kat)]
#18 Southern Genealogical Searches [ (SCRIBBLERG)]
#19 Re: Germantown, N.Y. [Frank McNamara <]
#20 Re: Broderbund's WFT project [ (Wilona1)]
#21 Re: Montreal Phone lookup ["Kane-Ladouceur" <]
#22 Re: 'Stonewall' Jackson [Frank McNamara <]
#23 Re: Scottish Clan Septs [Dennis Stoker <]
#24 Re: Sharing your GEDCOM file? [ (Jacobugath)]
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X-Message: #1
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:57:41 -0700
From: Lesley Robertson <?>
To:
Message-ID: <5tbnfe$22i$1@news.tudelft.nl>
Subject: Re: Scottish Clan Septs
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Everett K. Thompson wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone explain what septs are? I've seen the term used
> > several places. I've seen my surname LEWIS listed as a sept
> > of the CAMPBELL clan. BTW my g-grandmother was a CAMPBELL.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > David L. Lewis
> >
> > Researching: BARKER/CAMPBELL/ELKINS/ESTEP/HANER/LINVILLE/LEWIS/
> > PERKINS/THOMPSON/TOOTHMAN/WALL(S)/WELLS in VA, WV, OH, NE, IN, NC, SC
>
> Hi David,
>
> A 'sept' is a clan, especially of descendants of a common ancestor. It's
> used both in Ireland AND Scotland.
> Actually, a sept is a sub-division of a clan, usually involving people of
a surname different to that of the Clan Chief. There are problems with
links of some "septs" to the Clans:
1: Some involve very common names, often trade-associated (e.g. Miller,
Baker), belonging to folk of that name IN A SPECIFIC area (it made sense
to swear to the clan of your landlord).
2: Many "links" only date back as far as Queen Victoria's time - her
german husband Prince Albert decided that clans and tartans were a GOOD
THING (you can see paintings of him festooned if assorted tartans), and
being part of one became fashionable. It's a good idea to check with the
relevant Clan Society (ask in alt.scottish-clans if you don't know).
3: No all scottish surnames are associated with clans - they were very
much linked to the gaelic-speaking Highlands. Lowland scots would have
been horrified to be classified in the same group as the highland
"barbarians".
There's an excellent book called "Surnames of Scotland" by Black - he
gives the earlies known references to various names, and authenticaed
links to Clans, where they exist.
Of course, the study of the clans is very different to the study of
genealogy - just because the books say that Clan XXXX lived in Glen YYYY,
doesn't mean that they ALL lived there, and Murphey's Law demands that
the ones you want will turn up somewhere else. My sister-in-law descends
from Campbells of FRANCE. In this case, I'd be careful to make sure they
were scots - the most common incidence of the name Lewis in Great Britain
is in Wales!
Lesley Robertson
(descendant of both sorts of scots - barbarians and others!)
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X-Message: #2
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:43:28 GMT
From: (Clare Gervasoni)
To:
Message-ID: <5tc13v$jep$1@loomi.telstra.net>
Subject: History Fair in Ballarat
Each year the Central Highlands Historical Society (CHHA) presents an
History Fair in Ballarat, Victoria. (See exhibitors below).
The Fair includes displays, Records, Photographs and Research Advice
from Regional Historical Societies and invited specialists.
Entertainment, Devenshire Teas and the reknowned Homemade Pasties.
This years theme is LAW and ORDER.
VENUE: The Army Ranger Barracks, Curtis St, Ballarat.
DATE: Saturday 11th October and Sunday 12th October 1997
TIME: 10.00am to 4.00pm
COSTS: $2.00 (children free.)
WEEKEND SPECIAL: Special deals for entry to the Ballarat Art Gallery,
Gold Museum and the History Fair. (email for further
details) example - a family ticket (2 Adults, 4 children)
to all 3 venues
$20.00. All tickets can be used over the two days.
CHHA PARTICIPANTS:
* Avoca Historical Society
* Bacchus Marsh Historical Society
* Ballan Shire Historical Society
* Ballarat Engine and Machinery
* Ballarat Genealogical Society
* Ballarat Historical Society
* Ballarat Tramways
* Bungaree Historical Society
* Buninyong Historical Society
* Carisbrook Historical Society
* Clunes Museum
* Creswick Historical Museum
* Daylesford and District Historical Society
* Gold Museum
* Hepburn Springs Swiss/Italian Festa
* Learmonth Historical Society
* Montrose Cottage
* Public Record Office (Ballarat)
* Ranger Museum
* Skipton Historical Society
* Snake Valley Historical Society
* Woady Yallock Historical Society
PARTICIPATING INVITED GUESTS
* 40th Regiment
* Bendigo Chinese Museum
* Creswick Light Horse
* Police
* Public Record Office Deeming Exhibition
* Drummer Boy (Eureka) Display
* Pollywoodside
* J-Ward Ararat
* Old Melbourne Gaol
* Police Historical Unit
* Church of Latter Day Saints
* Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages
* Sovereign Hill Education Unit
* Williamstown Museum
* Ballarat Cornish Association
* Australian Institute of Genealogical Studies
* Genealogical Society of Victoria
* Royal Historical Society of Victoria
* Ballarat Municipal Library
* Scottish Group
* Geelong Family History Group
* Bendigo Historical Group
* Eureka Flag Video
* Maps/Plans
* Ballarat Tourism
* Police History
* Friends of Sovereign Hill
For further information email
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X-Message: #3
Date: 19 Aug 1997 06:07:47 -0700
From: "Bruce Phillips Johnson" <>
To:
Message-ID: <5tc5r3$>
Subject: Locating old city records?
I am trying to find out how to get hold of records from the following
cities.
Maidenhead, N.J. Dates involed 1695-176ish
Mt Jackson, Pa Dates 1835-1848
Newtown, L.I, New York
Thanks
Bruce Phillips Johnson
Replies to if possible
"Bruce Phillips Johnson" <>
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X-Message: #4
Date: 19 Aug 1997 14:08:44 GMT
From: "Bill Betchley" <>
To:
Message-ID: <01bcacb1$9fe97f80$>
Subject: Betchley - Nyack NY -
I am looking for the birth records of a William Betchley born in Nyack NY
in the late 1800's. Also would like any information on the Betchley's
during this period in Nyack NY.
Thank You
William Betchley
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X-Message: #5
Date: 19 Aug 1997 14:01:51 GMT
From: (Susan Mudgett aka little gator)
To:
Message-ID: <5tc90f$>
Subject: Re: Decapitation - NJ Newspaper lookup request
fcp$ wrote:
: A relative of mine, Grace S. Auryansen, died 16 Oct 1926 in Roselle, NJ,
: a suburb of Elizabeth NJ. She and her family lived in Newark. Her death
: certificate says nothing about the circumstances of her death, but
: according to cemetery records the cause of her death was "decapitation".
: It seems that something like that would be mentioned in the newspapers. I
: would like to find out more about the circumstances of her death, and was
: wondering if there is anyone out there who would be willing to look for an
: obituary or an article on the event. I would be grateful for any
: information that I could obtain.
The first thing I'd try would be to contact the city/town clerk of
Roselle for a death certificate.
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X-Message: #6
Date: 19 Aug 1997 12:58:54 GMT
From: (Mfernest)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: How to deal with tightfisted source?
You are probably stuck at this point -- there isn't any way to force that
person to give up his research. You will probably have to reduplicate
what has been done.
I have some sympathy for both sides in this -- I have been asked to
provide "everything" to other researchers, in exchange for costs of
copying. That would amount to providing all of my information, which they
could then copyright and publish, not to mention the time it would take
away from my research. I have chosen instead to provide the sources from
whence my material has been taken. Once in awhile I do provide more
specifics, but only where material is offered on an exchange basis.
I would say that you should be less generous with your relative -- maybe
he will decide he has to reciprocate to get something you have.
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X-Message: #7
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:11:36 -0600
From:
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: Sharing your GEDCOM file?
In article <>,
wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
> > It may surprise you to know that I have run into a good many people who
> > share my atttitudes!
>
> I'm not surprised at all. When I started doing genealogy, my cousin sent
> charts of the work she had done (without sources), with the stipulation
> that my mother was NEVER to see any of it. Said cousin and her mother
> had a grudge against my mother. Seems like a similar attitude.
>
> > Did I mention that i was working on a book? Did I mention that giving
> > away my Gedcom file basically means giving away my book?
>
> Why didn't you say up front that you were in this for personal profit
> and motivated by greed?
You make a big assumption here-- that I am going to SELL my book. Maybe
that is not true. You have no way of knowing, do you? Based upon some of
the assumptions you have made here, I can just picture the accuracy of
YOUR genealogical work.
>
> >Did I mention ... a guy who ... wanted to add as many names as possible to his brand new FTM file with as little work as possible?
>
> As opposed to adding as few names as possible with as much work as
> possible? I don't see how that should hurt you. Wouldn't that make it
> easier for him to then research the unknown, rather than spending time
> turning over all the same stones you've already plowed over?
> > Sorry- I beleive in trading even up.
>
> And what have you given back to those whose work you used to collect
> your data? How did you trade "even up" with them? You do it by sharing
> with your "cousins", the very ones you now begrudge. I'll be glad if a
> hundred years from now there's anybody that cares that I ever lived. The
> more people interested in collecting and keeping history alive, the
> better.
>
> I thoroughly applaud the post by Todd F. Carney (Fri, 15 Aug 1997
> 11:51:15 -0700) and I wish that more people had his attitude and fewer
> had yours.
>
> Annette Pipping
Again, let me point out, though the action seems to be futile, that I did
not ask for anyone's opinion about what they thought _I_ should do. I
wanted to know what OTHERS thought about sharing THEIR Gedcoms. Some
people obviously enjoy the sound of their own voice. You are not going
to change my mind.
Some of you have made great assumptions that I NEVER share my data. You
are wrong. I never said I didn't share my data, I said I was
UNCOMFORTABLE about sending my WHOLE file. Not sending a GEDCOM and not
sending any info at all are two different animals. Please try to climb
down from the pedestal that some of you "idjikated" people have placed
yourselves on, and stay on topic.
I am truly sorry that I ever tried to start an intelligent thread and
discussion on this topic. I should have known better.
SherryJ
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
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X-Message: #8
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:12:24 -0600
From:
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: Sharing your GEDCOM file?
In article <>,
wrote:
>
> I suppose the ones who don't want to share NEVER use information that
> someone else spent plenty of time digging out and passing on? To be
> ethical they should only use information that they get from original
> sources. I think the key words here are "anal retentive."
AGAIN, let me say that in the original post that I NEVER said:
A. That I was completely unwilling to share ANY of my data. I frequently
send out 50-100 page printouts to relatives.
B. That I had NEVER had any help from anyone else. I believe that in the
second paragraph, first sentence, I make this abundantly clear.
AGAIN, let me say, that the original post asked "What do YOU do when
someone wants your GEDCOM?" I don't care what you think _I_ should do.
I know it is difficult to focus, but please try to stay on topic. And
don't make stupid assumptions about me or my work when you don't even
know me.
SherryJ
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
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X-Message: #9
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:27:58 GMT
From: (Kitty-goth)
To:
Message-ID: <5tchi0$>
Subject: ignore please
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X-Message: #10
Date: 19 Aug 1997 13:52:09 GMT
From: (Celia E. Mitschelen )
To:
Message-ID: <5tc8e9$>
Subject: Re: Germany
In <01bcac6c$47378e80$> "Tom"
<> writes:
>
>Anyone know where I can get info on my family name in Germany??
The only way is to do your homework here and work your way back. You
will be amazed at the number of people with the same name so you must
have enough information to decided which one is yours.
There was no Germany as we think of it until 1871 and then still not
really one country. There were several hundred independent
principalities, duchies, kingdoms, free cities, even free villages. You
have to know exactly were your family came from to be able to find
records.
A good place to start is at an LDS Family History Center. Try their
computer programs to see if anyone else has done some research. Check
out the enumerable books of passenger lists. The LDS has indexes to
passenger lists on microfilm.
Read the soc.genealogy.german newsgroup. Before you do any inquiring
read the German FAQ, it is posted once a month or can be found
archived. You will see a lot of posts asking for any information on 'my
name'. Do not think this is the way it is done. In spite of what your
name is you will need more than that for anyone to be able to help you.
It is a friendly group but the regulars who have the most to share are
getting tired of seeing space taken up with questions that are useless.
When you have enough information to post a query it should contain at a
minimum the complete name, place of residence and dates. Use caps for
the surname only and put surname, place and time in the subject line.
Also I suggest checking out the different surname lists. If you get
the German FAQ you will find many more suggestions for researching.
Good luck,
Celia
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X-Message: #11
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:00:22 -0700
From: Zoomer <>
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: William David Hood
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Looking for information on William David hood 11 Feb 67 - 16 sept 39
Married Vinne Renae Baldock.
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X-Message: #12
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:58:25 +1000
From: Yvonne Pratt <>
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Windsor Castle
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Can any kind person out there advise on how to contact the Archivist at
Windsor Castle.
TIA
Yvonne
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X-Message: #13
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:12:01 -0400
From:
To:
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Subject: Re: Sharing your GEDCOM file?
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I personally want to thank my distant relatives for sharing their
information with me. I have only been at the family genealogy search
for 6 months. Because of the Internet and information left by my late
mother I have been able to start to gather my family's history. Without
the sharing I would not have been able to pursue some of the family
lines.
Everyone I have dealt with has been extremely gracious. Together, three
of us have corrected mistakes in each others work and added previously
unknown relatives. I took tidbits of information we all had, combined
it, pursed a lead and found an important family link. Without this
sharing none of us would have up-dated information and I wouldn't have
found distant family members.
Searching for Rolf, Rickett, Steinborn, and Kelly.
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X-Message: #14
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:34:00 GMT
From: (Doug Artis)
To:
Message-ID: <5tcl90$>
Subject: Importing FTW Files
Does anyone have any idea how to accomplish the following?
My Father-in-law and I have accumulating data separately for some
time. We now wish to combine the data. We are using FTW 2.01 Deluxe.
The problem is that when we import the .GED files we have many
duplicates. We would like to know if there is any way to not import
duplicates or to easily delete duplicates. Our data is quite large and
to manually delete all the duplicate individuals would be extremely
time consuming.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Doug ()
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X-Message: #15
Date: 19 Aug 1997 14:36:04 GMT
From: (M&T)
To:
Message-ID: <5tcb0k$5qa$1@news.istar.ca>
Subject: Family Tree Maker - help
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Is there a way to print the other spouses and the date of their marriages in a
printout of the family tree or on the first page of the family group?
M&T
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X-Message: #16
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:51:13 GMT
From: (Dan & Debbie)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Montreal Phone lookup
Hello fellow researchers,
I recieved a phone call last night from a family organization in Canada. I had maided them my
information in hopes of getting a few more pieces, but what I got was an unbelievable supprise!
My mother had always been told that her father died in a car accident in about 1950 <when she was
very young>. But according to the gentleman last night, he has a copy of a marriage licence for
Marcel Roland GARIEPY dated 17 August 1972 in Montreal, and has found no confirmation of his death
since that time.
How common of a name could that be? Would someone in or around Montreal please look him up in the
current phone directory and let me know if he still has a phone <assuming he's not in a nursing
home>
Sincerely,
Debbie
Family Historian by default <no one else wants the job>
Currently researching SCHUH,BURKHARDT,PEETERS,SOMMER,SCHOLL,VAN DEN HEUVEL,NEUBURGER,SUMLAS,DREISSEN,
GATES,HAYES, GARIEPY, SHEAN, WILKINS, WISEMAN family lines
And related lines of: Appleton,Bayer,Boucher,Brice,Bullard,Byrns,Mallory,Reeve.
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X-Message: #17
Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:47:20 GMT
From: (Tm n Kat)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Balancing "work" and genealogy
I * love* genealogy but have problems finding the time to work on my
family tree.
Most of my "spare" moments are when courthouse and libraries are closed.
How do you all do it.......any hints/suggestions are appreciated.
~Kathy J~
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X-Message: #18
Date: 19 Aug 1997 15:23:49 GMT
From: (SCRIBBLERG)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Southern Genealogical Searches
We offer onsite genealogical searches in SC, NC, GA, VA and TN.
Specializing in WBTS information in SC, GA, and VA. Our in-house
databases of Southern WBTS veterans is quite complete. Member MOSB/SCV
with excellent sources for lineage searches to substantiate membership
requirements. For information, Email us at
Lee
For the latest in amazing information go to
http://members.aol.com/scribblerg/mana.htm
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X-Message: #19
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:06:44 -0700
From: Frank McNamara <>
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: Germantown, N.Y.
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Coffee Art wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge of the nam of Plasse, we show that a Peter
> Plasse or Plass was located in Germantown back in the 1700's. If you know
> anyone with that name, please have them contact me:
>
> Thanks......Art
I have SWINGLE ancestors who were born in Germantown NY. It is my
understanding that this is now Montgomery, Orange Co. NY. A contact to
the Orange Co. Genealogical Society in Goshen, NY may help you.
Jean Hudson McNamara
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X-Message: #20
Date: 19 Aug 1997 15:31:57 GMT
From: (Wilona1)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: Broderbund's WFT project
In article <5tb2l3$7qp$1@ha2.rdc1.sfba.home.com>,
(Paul Burchfield) writes:
>
>We have, though, offered those who contribute their files a $10 certificate
>good for any Broderbund purchase. That allows them to apply it to the
>purchase
>of a particular Family Archive CD or even an upgrade to Family Tree Maker.
>
>Sincerely, Family Tree Maker Deluxe Edition II:
>Paul Burchfield Winner of the Software Publishers Association's
>Broderbund Software, 1997 Excellence in Software Award for
>Banner Blue division Best Home Productivity Software Program
>
>
Fair enough, as far as I'm concerned. I do have the $10 certificate but
haven't used it. (And I confess, until now I didn't really look closely at
it ... thought it was a "10% off" discount coupon!!! I need glasses!)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Martha E. Knowles ---
http://members.aol.com/wilona1/index.html
Pages may be moving soon - new URL will be posted ASAP.
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X-Message: #21
Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:46:02 GMT
From: "Kane-Ladouceur" <>
To:
Message-ID: <01bcacc8$7fc3b420$>
Subject: Re: Montreal Phone lookup
Debbie you can check by yourself they have a web page:
http://canada411.sympatico.ca/
I asked and found 4 Marcel in Montreal as of R or Roland was too long to
obtain an answer might be too busy for the time of day.
Good Luck!
Lise Kane
Dan & Debbie <> a crit dans l'article
<>...
> Hello fellow researchers,
>
> I recieved a phone call last night from a family organization in Canada.
I had maided them my
> information in hopes of getting a few more pieces, but what I got was an
unbelievable supprise!
>
> My mother had always been told that her father died in a car accident in
about 1950 <when she was
> very young>. But according to the gentleman last night, he has a copy of
a marriage licence for
> Marcel Roland GARIEPY dated 17 August 1972 in Montreal, and has found no
confirmation of his death
> since that time.
>
> How common of a name could that be? Would someone in or around Montreal
please look him up in the
> current phone directory and let me know if he still has a phone <assuming
he's not in a nursing
> home>
>
> Sincerely,
> Debbie
>
> Family Historian by default <no one else wants the job>
> Currently researching SCHUH,BURKHARDT,PEETERS,SOMMER,SCHOLL,VAN DEN
HEUVEL,NEUBURGER,SUMLAS,DREISSEN,
> GATES,HAYES, GARIEPY, SHEAN, WILKINS, WISEMAN family lines
>
> And related lines of:
Appleton,Bayer,Boucher,Brice,Bullard,Byrns,Mallory,Reeve.
>
>
>
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X-Message: #22
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:01:49 -0700
From: Frank McNamara <>
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: 'Stonewall' Jackson
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The Rod or Cow Eyes wrote:
>
> John Bush wrote:
> >
> > (Alan Libby) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <>, wrote:
> > >
> > >> Can anybody reccommend a good bio of Stonewall Jackson. None in our
> > >> library mention any of his siblings. Supposedly, my line comes via his
> > >> sister, but can't find her name to be sure.
> > >> Jack
> > >
> > >Seek Stonewall Jackson 2 volume bio by Lenoir Chambers. Vol. 1 should
> > >have most of what you seek. You may have to get it through ILL. You may
> > >also want to check Mighty Stonewall by Frank Vandervier(sp)?, but I would
> > >go with Chambers. Another possibility would be to contact the Stonewall
> > >Jackson's Home museum in Lexington, VA.
> > >
> > >A. Libby
> >
> > Jack,
> >
> > According to "They Call Him Stonewall" by Burke Davis 1903, reprinted
> > by NC Press 1950, pg.88, the line of Gen. Jackson was John Jackson
> > who came from Ireland to Cecil Co, MD in 1748 and moved to WV by 1769.
> > His son Edward was a surveyor and a VA Legislator and son John G. m.
> > Mary Payne, sister of Dolly Madison. Edward's son, Jonathan, was a
> > lawyer in WV and m. Julia Beckwith Neale in 1818 and fought in the War
> > of 1812. Jonathan & Julia had 4 children: Elizabeth, Warren, (Gen.)
> > Thomas J. b. 21 Jan 1824 in WV, and Laura. Sister, Elizabeth and his
> > father died when Thomas was 3. His mother died when he was 6.
> > Then, Thomas and sister, Laura lived with their grandmother, the widow
> > of Edward Jackson until she died in 1835. Then Tom lived with a cousin
> > , William Brake. As an adult, he wrote to Laura frequently, until his
> > first marriage in July1857. If you need more. E-mail me.
> >
> > Rod <>
>
> Rod!
> You have no idea how much you have helped, and it wasn't me who
> asked! I have spent years trying to find the connection, since grandma
> always told us that we were related to Jackson, Madison and Monroe. I
> could just kiss ya, ooops, sorry to get so personal. Now I have some
> basis to research from. None of the other books I have read made this
> information available. Thank you CowEyes
Our LEACH family legend is that a "Stonewall" Jackson cousin married
into the LEACH family - possibly a Darle LEACH. I have further info on
our LEACH family. Can anyone help make this connection?
Jean McNamara
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X-Message: #23
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:39:35 +0100
From: Dennis Stoker <>
To:
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Subject: Re: Scottish Clan Septs
In article <-
proxy.airnews.net>, writes
>Can anyone explain what septs are? I've seen the term used
>several places. I've seen my surname LEWIS listed as a sept
>of the CAMPBELL clan. BTW my g-grandmother was a CAMPBELL.
>Thanks.
>
>David L. Lewis
>
>Researching: BARKER/CAMPBELL/ELKINS/ESTEP/HANER/LINVILLE/LEWIS/
>PERKINS/THOMPSON/TOOTHMAN/WALL(S)/WELLS in VA, WV, OH, NE, IN, NC, SC
>
David,
A Sept was a subdivision of a clan. For example McQueen was a sept of
Clan Chattan, probably a linkage connected with treaties to give
protection from other clans.
Dennis
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Dennis Stoker at Crowthorne, Berks UK
Guild of One Name Studies for STOKER (member no. 2582)
Other names of interest: Beck, MacQueen.
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Date: 19 Aug 1997 18:20:50 GMT
From: (Jacobugath)
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Subject: Re: Sharing your GEDCOM file?
In article <>, writes:
>I am truly sorry that I ever tried to start an intelligent thread and
>discussion on this topic. I should have known better.
>
>SherryJ
>
>
You did start an intelligent thread and you DID receive a number of good
answers. You just didn't get the answer you hoped for.
My GEDCOM complete with notes is available for anyone to use or have. I
have no profit morive and see no need to write a book.
Jake
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