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------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain ALT-GENEALOGY-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 84 Today's Topics: #1 Re: MAC PAF 2.31 Temple Ready [ (Carrollbel)] #2 Genealogy CD's ??? [Chris <.] #3 Re: Royal Genealogy [Stuart Cresswell <stuart.cresswell] #4 Locke Roots [ (MeScuba2)] #5 Re: Genealogical Relationship term [ (Chuck)] #6 Re: What county is Springfield, Il ["Thomas M. Carlton" <] #7 Re: Getting access to restricted r ["paul.petersen" <] #8 Re: Immigration Records ["paul.petersen" <] #9 Passenger records [J-KMotz <>] ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #1 Date: 13 Sep 1997 14:13:27 GMT From: (Carrollbel) To: Message-ID: <> Subject: Re: MAC PAF 2.31 Temple Ready Jim, contact the PAF support department at the Family History department of the Church. For the telephone number, you can contact your local FHC. There is a program for changing the MAC PAF data to be acceptable to Temple Ready. One of my patrons had to use it before we could get his information ready for the temple. Good Luck. ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:00:53 -0400 From: Chris <> To: Message-ID: <> Subject: Genealogy CD's ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have noticed there seem to be a lot of Genealogy CDs i.e. birth, death, etc... I would like to know where one can obtain these CD's? Is there a catalog or what? Thank You Chris Wilkenshoff ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #3 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:33:59 +0100 From: Stuart Cresswell <> To: Message-ID: <> Subject: Re: Royal Genealogy In message <> (EFA8) writes: > MarianB527, and Gary, > Gary, I believe in the matter of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip; the > Prince is not a King because Phillip was born into the Royal Family of Greece > and not England, therefore Prince Phillip can not take the title of King; > in England. > There has been Kings with Queens/Queens with Kings in England but for the > fact of Phillip's birthplace he was granted the title of Prince of Edinburgh. > There is lots of protocal and circumstance when it comes to this stuff, so > you have to be careful of what you say!! God knows, I could be wrong!!! > Jeff > This may have confused. Prince Philip is not King because he was only the spouse of the Queen (who inherited by right of succession) It does not matter what his previous status was. He was created HRH Prince and a number of other titles by King George VI just before his marriage to the then Princess Elizabeth. I think UK/Great Britain/England has had only one King who was not entitled by descent and that was Philip of Spain Mary's spouse. However I think that was a creation by Mary not a consequence of the marriage per se. Your might think that William III was King by marriage to Mary II but that was by a Parliamentary invitation and was covered by an act of parliament. In fact William III was in the line of succession by descent but not first. All of this comes about because the laws of succession in Britain adhere to the male primogenture principle and that historically a wife was effectively a chattel. Stuart ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #4 Date: 13 Sep 1997 15:14:39 GMT From: (MeScuba2) To: Message-ID: <> Subject: Locke Roots My wife is a Locke. Family from TN and last of E. Okla ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #5 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:24:22 GMT From: (Chuck) To: Message-ID: <> Subject: Re: Genealogical Relationship terms Broderbund's Family Tree Maker will list the relationship between every individual listed in the index of the family tree file. On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:30:06 +0300, mary stewart kyritsis <> wrote: >Jerret Michael Sherenco wrote: >> >> Could someone explain the classification schemes for genealogical relationships? Everyone >> understands the easy ones: mother, father, brother, aunt, uncle, etc. However, I'm trying >> to figure out what the difference beween third cousin and third cousin once removed! >> I've created a family tree program, and I want to be able to click on two names and have >> their relationship to each other displayed, no matter how distant. I guess I just need >> the basic "algorithm" or scheme that is used. Thanks! >> >> --Jerret Sherenco >> > >The difference between third cousin and third cousin once removed is >easy -- the 'once removed' cousin is the child of the third cousin. >It's the other bits and pieces that get complicated!!!! :-) >Mary > ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #6 Date: 13 Sep 1997 15:22:16 GMT From: "Thomas M. Carlton" <> To: Message-ID: <01bcc058$e830d260$> Subject: Re: What county is Springfield, Illinois in? Lisa Schreurs <> wrote in article <01bcc00d$eb773fe0$>... > USA > Lisa > > Rev. D. Thomas Ford, Jr. <> wrote in article > <>... > > I think it is Sangamon. > > > > > > > > > Does anyone use that great little program "City/County Finder II" by Ray Cox?? It is DOS but will run from the Win95 desktop. It will answer many questions about city locations. BTW, Sangamon is correct. Mike C. ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #7 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:32:03 -0300 From: "paul.petersen" <> To: Message-ID: <5vebob$> Subject: Re: Getting access to restricted records (in Tewksbury, Mass.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was denied access to a 1911 death record by the town clerk in > Tewksbury, Massachussetts. If this matters, I believe the death > >> In response to my request for a 1911 death certificate of a possible > >> ancestor, I received a letter saying the record is restricted to > >> "proper judicial order, upon the request of the parent, attorney, > >> guardian or conservator." 1.-try sending in a Freedom of Information request, that ought to rattle the town clerks cage a bit.....:) 2.-find someone in/near tewksbury to go over there and look at the records book... Thank you for writing. Cheers, Paul *** Providing Connecticut Document Services *** attn: paul petersen 35 Birch Street Manchester, CT 06040 ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #8 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:33:27 -0300 From: "paul.petersen" <> To: Message-ID: <5vebr5$> Subject: Re: Immigration Records Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Taken from: National Archives And Records Administration General Information Leaflet Number 5. "Using Records in the National Archives for Genealogical Research" National Archives & Records Administration, Washington, D.C. 20408 email: Passenger Lists The National Archives has several incomplete series of customs passenger lists and immigration passenger lists of ships arriving from abroad at many Atlantic, Pacific, and gulf coast ports. There are also arrival records for immigration via Canada. Customs passenger lists begin in 1820 and extend to the late 19th century (1890s) for most ports. The immigration passenger lists begin at that time, usually when the customs lists leave off. Passenger Port Arrival Lists Indexes Baltimore 1820-1948 1820-1952 Boston 1820-74, 1848-91, 1883-1943 1902-20 Galveston 1896-1948 1896-1951 New Orleans 1820-1945 1853-1952 New York 1820-1954 1820-46, 1897- 1948 Philadelphia 1800-1945 1800- 1948 San Francisco 1893-1953 1893-1934 Seattle 1890-1957 Arrivals via Canada 1895-1954 1895-1952 Certain minor ports 1820-73, 1890-1924 1893-1954 Supplementing the indexes listed above is a general index to quarterly reports of arrivals at most ports except New York, 1820-74. Passenger lists before 1820 are not in the National Archives except for a small, incomplete collection for the port of Philadelphia. They may be on file at the port of entry or in the state archives where the port is located. Passenger and Immigration List Index: A Guide to Published Arrival Records . , by P William Filby, and A Bibliography of Ship Passenger Lists, 1583- 1825, by Harold Lancour, are guides to published lists of early immigrants to North America. Your local library may either have these publications or be able to assist you in locating copies. A customs passenger list normally contains the following information for each passenger: name, age, sex, and occupation; the country of embarkation; and the country of destination. For one who died in passage, the date and circumstances of death are given. Immigration passenger lists vary in informational content but usually show the place of birth and last place of residence in addition to the information found in the customs passenger lists. Some of the immigration passenger lists include the name and address of a relative in the country from which the passenger came. National Archives staff in Washington, DC, will search the customs passenger lists if in addition to the names of the passenger and the port of entry an inquirer can 9 supply the following information: the name of the vessel and the month and year of its arrival or the name of the port of embarkation and the exact date of arrival. It will also search the immigration passenger lists up to 1954 when the lists are held by the National Archives if an inquirer can give the full names and ages of the passenger and of accompanying passengers, the port of entry, the vessel, and exact date of arrival. The staff will also consult existing indexes to the names on the customs and immigration passenger lists provided an inquirer can supply the name of the port of entry and month and year of arrival. Requests for searches should be made on NATF Form 81, Order for Copies of Ship Passenger Arrival Records. Microfilm copies of available passenger lists earlier than 1955 can be used in the National Archives in Washington, DC. Some microfilm copies of lists are also available in the regional archives. Researchers should contact the nearest regional archives for information about microfilm available there. The Morton Allen Directory of European Passenger Steamship Arrivals (New York, 1931) lists by year, steamship company, and exact date the names of vessels arriving at the ports of New York, 1890- 1930, and Baltimore, Boston, and Philadelphia, 1904-26. This publication is available in some large public and research libraries. NATF Form 81 may be obtained by sending an email request to;<> be sure to include your mailing address. Passport Applications The National Archives in Washington, DC, has passport applications and related papers,1791 -1926, of U.S. citizens who intended to travel abroad. The staff will make limited searches for age and citizenship information in these records that are at least 75 years old. The name of the person who applied for a passport and the place and approximate date of application should be supplied. Requests for information from passport records after 1926 should be addressed to the Passport Office, Department of State, Washington, DC 20520. Personnel Records There are a few records in the National Archives in Washington, DC, relating to civilian employees of the federal government whose service ended before 1910. These records may contain information about the date and place of birth of an employee. The National Archives staff will search for records about employees if given the full name and address of the employing agency and the approximate dates of employment. The personnel records for most civilian employees whose service terminated after 1909 are in Civilian Personnel Records, 111 Winnebago Street, St. Louis, MO 63118. 10 --------------------------------------------------------- This is more a post for soc.genealogy.methods, but since I've seen several messages recommending how to get the ship and arrival date from the naturalization documents, this is apropos. It's true that the INS has a copy of all naturalization documents from 1906 on and that they usually indicate ship and arrival date. I wouldn't recommend this as a first resort to getting naturalization documents though. If you have some idea when and where the person was naturalized, it will be much faster to obtain the documents through the court they used, or a regional NARA site. With fairly precise information, you can get 5-10 day response from courts and NARA. On the other hand, I've had a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request in to INS for 2 months and I'm told it can take up to a year. If you have no idea when or where someone was naturalized after 1906, then there's not much choice except to send the FOIA request to INS. The Immigration and Naturalization Service has a web site where you can download form G-639 (FOIA request). The URL is http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/forms/index.html Click on the "I have read and understand..." button and you'll see form G-639. You'll need Acrobat Reader, which is downloadable here too. I've seen form G-641 recommended as the FOIA request form on this ships list. I don't know that that form is wrong. I only know that on the official INS site, they list G-639 as the FOIA form. ------------------------------------------------------------------ By 1900, the overwhelming majority of immigrants from europe and Scandinavia were entering through the port of New York. 1. If < name > became a naturalized citizen, and you have not already done so, obtain a copy of his naturalization records from the Immigration and Naturalization Service, 425 I Street N.W., Washington, DC 20536 (ask for form #G-641). After 1906, both the Declaration of Intention and the Petition for Naturalization ask for the date and place of birth, the date and port of emigration, the name of the vessel, and the date and port of arrival. 2. If you suspect that the <surname> family entered New York at any time between June 1897 and June 1902, check the alphabetical index to passenger lists of vessels arriving at the port of New York, 16 June 1897-30 June 1902, National Archives Microfilm Publication T519 (115 rolls). You can borrow copies of these rolls through AGLL, any LDS (Mormon) Family History Center, or Interlibrary Loan. To determine which microfilm rolls to borrow, go to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) website at http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/rg85nyk1.html 3. If you suspect that the <surname> family entered New York after 30 June 1902, check the soundex index to passenger lists of vessels arriving at the port of New York, 1 July 1902-31 December 1943, National Archives Microfilm Publication T621 (755 rolls). You can borrow copies of any of these microfilms through the sources listed at #2 above. To determine the appropriate microfilm roll(s) to borrow, 1) go to the Soundex Machine maintained by NARA at http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/soundex/soundex.html, and determine the soundex code for the <surname>. 2) go to the list of rolls of the soundex index for 1902-1943 on the NARA website at http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/rg85nyk2.html Determine the microfilm roll(s) that contain(s) the index listings for the soundex code for <surname>. 4. Both the alphabetical and the soundex index give for each passenger the number of the volume into which the passenger manifest for the vessel on which the passenger arrived, and the page number on which the passenger's name appears. The bound passenger manifests of vessels arriving at New York, 1897-1957, have been microfilmed as National Archives Microfilm Publication T715 (8,892 rolls), and you can borrow copies of any of these rolls through any of the sources listed at #2 above. To determine the microfilm roll that contains a copy of the bound volume in which the <surname> family appears, go to the NARA website at http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/rg85nyk4.html If you assume, at least initially, that your ancestor entered through the port of Philadelphia. 1. Go to the National Archives and Records Administration soundex machine, at http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/soundex/soundex.html and determine the soundex code for the surname of the ancestor you are researching. 2. Take the resulting soundex code and check it against the list of microfilm rolls for the soundex index to passenger lists of vessels arriving at the port of Philadelphia, 1883-1948, National Archives Microfilm Publication T526, at http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/rg85phl1.html 3. Borrow the appropriate microfilm roll through AGLL, any LDS (Mormon) Family History Center, or Interlibrary Loan. 4. The soundex index will give the name of the vessel and the date of arrival. The passenger manifests themselves are microfilmed as National Archives Microfilm Publication T840, passenger lists of vessels arriving at the port of Philadelphia, 1883-1945. If you identify your ancestor in the soundex index, you can borrow--through AGLL, any LDS Family History Center, or Interlibrary Loan--the microfilm roll that contains a copy of the passenger manifest for this voyage. To determine the appropriate microfilm roll to borrow, go to http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/rg85phl3.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Second question: Could someone tell me the LDS film numbers for ships coming >from Bremen between 1855 and 1856, and the same for LDS film numbers for >ships coming from Hamburg between 1855 and 1856? My second set of great >grandparents came in one of those two years, but that's all I have. I am >willing to look thru all the passenger lists from both Bremen and Hamburg for >those 2 years if I can get the film numbers since I can't find them in >Germans to America. You can find a 15 year index for Hamburg passenger list for years 1856 to 1871 in the LDS film series 0884668 to0884677. Addition information can be found on fiche # 6000034. The Hamburger passenger list is made up of two sections: Direct List with index & Indirect List with index. The Hamburg Passenger list and indexes are on 486 rolls of microfilm at th FHL. For film #, search the Locality section of the Family History Library Catalog under GERMANY,HAMBURG, HAMBURG - EMIGRATION AND IMMIGRATION. If you are using the compact disc version of the catalog (Family Search), select the computer number search and enter 11064. You can find out more about Hamburg Passenger list by getting a copy of "The Resource Guide for the Hamburg Passenger List,1850-1934 @ your local LDS library. There is also a detailed account of the Hamburg passenger lists, including a catalogue with Family History Library microfilm numbers, by Jim Eggert and myself, at http://www.genealogy.com/gene/www/emig/ham_pass.html Jon Aspinwall; ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #9 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:49:21 -0500 From: J-KMotz <> To: Message-ID: <> Subject: Passenger records Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even though I know the port, month and year of arrival I still have been unable to locate several different families in the New York passenger lists. I have even checked a month before and after the given month without success and have considered different spellings of the surname. Does anyone have any suggestions? Katie M