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From: "borray" <>
Subject: Re: on Genealogy Warning
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:04:04 GMT


I will read and study your message for a longer time and your suggestions
are great in that Basque
direction. This can be a solution for many of my questions and now a little
about the dutch computers.
Dutch computers are a selfmade mixture of us and japanese, connected to a
windmill and when it doesnot work you have two possibilities, first I smash
it with my wooden shoe and after that I eat some cheese.
Then in the most situations it start working again out of itself
(aperiodical sequence, lol)
About the name Jones, you're right, in that calvinistic village the same
thing would happen, never thought
about that (traumablock).
This Basque direction also solved the problem with the hebrew meaning of the
word borray.
In hebrew it is related to the word god and it is not allowed to speak it
out.
When my boys, who live in Israel, use the word borray, the whole gang got
big eyes, lol.
And you noticed my problems with the americans.
They changed the name New Amsterdam in New York and after that they
laberated us in the same move
and now we have to ask them polite if it is allowed to visit the moon. What
a kind of a nation is that?
But now again serious, thanks a lot for your information, this genealogy
will never be my job, my background and my character is to obstinate for
that (maybe basque, lol?)

pieter.

Robert Heiling heeft geschreven in bericht
<>...
>borray wrote:
>
>> typical:
>> 1613 de borrai (french soldier) several times,
>
>Where was he from originally?
>
>> 1680 borray,(jewish version) several times,
>> 1686 till now borra (dutch version), many times.
>
>You haven't mentioned the materials I sent you yesterday, but they indicate
>that "borra" and "borrai" are words from the Basque language. In addition,
the
>website: http://newcrop.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/1492/neglected.html
indicates a
>certain crop that seems to be specific to the Iberian peninsula for which
the
>Basque name is (per below) "borrai" and I quote a portion of the article:
>
>"Botanical name: Borago officinalis L.
>
>Family: Boraginaceae
>
>Common names. English: borage, cool tankard; Spanish: borraja, borraja
comn,
>borraga, borracha, bora, corrago,
>alcohelo, flores cordiales; Catalan: borratja, borraina, pa-i-pexet;
Basque:
>borrai, borroin, murrum, assunasa, porraia;
>Portuguese and Galician: borrage, borragem, erva borragem, borraxa"
>
>I submit that it is possible that the surname "Borrai" originated in the
crop
>that was grown by those people.
>
>> The name de borrai, borray and borra is not a common name in holland
>> or in other parts of the world. It is very rare.
>
>I showed you where it appeared in Hungary in 1891, but, you're right, it's
not
>a common surname. You need, IMO, to investigate any connections in history
>between the Basque people and the Sephardim.
>
>> Your are obcessed by the clerck ( typical us ?) and never a word about
the
>> discrimination of Jewish people.
>
>I misunderstood your earlier posts and thought that you had a specific city
>council document that authorized the name change. I'll be more careful in
the
>future and ask more questions. :-)
>
>> Lots of Jewish people in those day (after1580 alva) changed for that
reason
>> their
>> name and religion but that was in europe not in the states.
>
>As did many non-Jewish people change their religion before & after the
>Reformation!
>
>> This family lived for more than 400 years in the same city,
>> this must be very strange in the mind of an american, sorry.
>
>In some of the older US cities, the same surnames have existed for about
that
>long. But you are talking here to a special group of people (Americans &
many
>others) who study genealogy and history and don't find that 400 years to be
>very surprising.
>
>> I only agree with you on the point that they came from abroad before
1600.
>
>Yes. People did travel and move to other countries back then also.
>
>> Don't forget that the development of the us-society the last 400 years is
>> totally different from europe and also the development of the clercks.
>> You have very nice computers but the Japanese are better, lol, lol.
>
>Really? Who makes cpu's in common use for personal computers (PC's) other
than
>the American companies of Intel & AMD? Which brand are you using?<LOL>
>
>> It costed me more than 25 years to get rid of my projections before
>> I could look to these things in a proper way.
>> After world-war two I grew up in the small village of Putten (complete
>> deportated
>> by the germans), always discriminated as a little boy by my name borra.
>
>It's not exactly a Dutch name, but how would it have been if your name had
been
>Jones?<LOL>
>
>> For that reason I am searching, wanted to know what was going on with
>> that name.
>
>Follow up on some of the possible leads I've given you.
>
>> But I'l find out, thanks for your comments,
>
>The best of luck to you.
>
>Bob
>
>

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