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From: "CWatters" <>
Subject: Re: Genealogy and the Plague
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:58:36 GMT
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"Lesley Robertson" <> wrote in message
news:...
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> "CWatters" <> schreef in bericht
> news:h99af.38271$...
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> > "Lesley Robertson" <> wrote in message
> > news:3648b$4368b904$82a1f636$...
> >> To get the mutation they're so afraid of, a person would have
> >> to be infected with both human and bird flu viruses at the same
> >
> > No it's worse than that - some animals like pigs can get both human and
> > avian flu. I believe wild pigs in some countries have already got the
> > avian
> > version.
> >
> Yes, pigs do get a lot of human bugs - but they'd still have to be
infected
> by both at the same time.

and you think that's hard or unlikely?

It's quite clear that pigs in several countries have already got avian flu
and typically display no symptoms. The virus is also becoming resistant to
the drugs we haven't even stockpiled yet...

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/avianflu/news/may2705avflu.html
"May 27, 2005 (CIDRAP News) Avian influenza could be infecting up to half
of the pig population in some areas of Indonesia, but without causing
symptoms, Nature magazine reported in this week's edition."

http://www.naccho.org/topics/infectious/emerging/avian10.cfm
The virus has already jumped species in Indonesia and was discovered in pigs
in May on densely populated Java island.

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=5772
Concerns over the presence of a dangerous strain of avian flu virus in
Indonesia's pigs are growing, as government tests confirm the existence of
infection.

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/6-17-2003-41789.asp
"Dutch Agriculture Minister Cees Veerman recently announced that avian
influenza had spread from chickens to pigs kept on five farms in Gelderland
Valley. The presence of the virus in the pigs, none of which have developed
symptoms, was confirmed by the employment of tests that reveal whether or
not avian influenza antibodies are in blood"

http://www.atsnn.com/story/32101.html
The Avian flu threat has just widened on the preliminary finding that the
disease may have now passed into pigs. Pigs tested in and around the city of
Hanoi have been found to have the virus

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-09/sjcr-dra090905.php
Resistance to the antiviral drug amantadine is spreading more rapidly among
avian influenza viruses of H5N1 subtype in Southeast Asia than in North
America <snip> "H5N1 is now endemic-a permanent- resident- in Southeast
Asia, including China," Webster said. "Therefore, any selective pressure on
this virus ensures plenty of opportunity for H5N1 to acquire amantadine
resistance, which would bring additional difficulties in controlling the
pandemic."



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