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From: "Duncan Glenday" <>
Subject: RE: Re:[ANGUS]GLENDAY
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:53:33 -0400


John,

Regarding your question about the naming Conventions Of The Scots:

Anne Burgess posted a very simple, but clear description on this forum some time ago. I kept it, and have copied it (below).

I hope it helps,



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Duncan N. Glenday

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-----Original Message-----
From: anne.burgess [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:58 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Naming traditions of Scots


> Wondering if the Scots followed a naming tradition
Yes they did

First son after father's father
Second son after mother's father
Third son after father
Subsequent sons after great-grandfathers, uncles, cousins, neighbours,
minister, doctor, schoolmaster, laird etc

First daughter after mother's mother
Second daughter after father's mother
Third daughter after mother
Subsequent daughters after great-grandparents, aunts, cousins, neighbours,
minister's wife, doctor's wife, schoolmaster's wife, laird's wife etc

> did they follow it seriously
Seriously enough for it to be useful on occasion to verify a relationaship.
For example I found a Grizel Leslie, born 1757. When I checked the parish
register, there were two, both born in the same parish in the same year (and
named after the minister' s housekeeper who was a witness at both baptisms).
However one was the daughter of William and the other tha daughter of Joseph
Leslie. They both grew up and married - and one had a second son named
William, but no Joseph and the other's second son was Joseph - and she had
no William. QED.

> Also...along the lines of the nicknames...was the nickname "Nell" solely
used
> for Helen?
Well, sometimes Helen was used interchangeably with Ellen, and Nell could be
used for either of these, or for Eleanor, though that latter is very rare in
Scotland.

Anne





-----Original Message-----
From: John Bland [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:01 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re:[ANGUS]GLENDAY


Hi Gavin

>
> Where have you looked? All pre-1855 Registers of the Kirk of Scotland
> have been indexed and are online both at scotlandspeople and on the IGI,
> so it should be a simple job to check for all occurrences of his name
> (in as many spelling variants as you feel like trying).

I have checked and noted all Glenday's from scotlands people. Moost
occurances of the name are around Dundee, Kirriemuir,Alyth,Cortachy (&
Clova),Airlie and Glamis probably 85%. This suggests that the Glenday's did
not travel to far within Scotland itself!

> > George was a Corn miller and baker in Sleaford but it is not known
> > whether he brought these skill with him. Is there a history of Corn
> > Milling in Glamis?
>
> I don't know how much wheat was grown in Glamis at that date, but there
> would certainly have been one or more mills, and the miller would be
> happy (for the usual charges) to grind anything you brought to him,
> oats, pease, barley or wheat.
>
> If George was a miller, that would easily account for a peripatetic
> lifestyle. Once you had completed your apprenticeship, the career
> choices were simple: stick around and wait for the current miller to
> fall off his perch, or move to some other parish or county, wherever
> there was a vacancy. Also, milling (and the itinerant lifestyle that
> went with it) tended to run in families, so John may have been born
> and/or married elsewhere.
>
> It might also be worth looking for the deaths of any of George's
> siblings. If they survived until 1855 (and the youngest would only have
> been 70), then the entry in the Register of Death should show the names
> of both parents of the deceased.

That's a good point! Hopefully his siblings did not travel to far otherwise
the proverbial needle and haystack comes to mind!

Regards

John


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