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From: "Charles S. Mason, Jr." <>
Subject: Re: [APG] Jones APGQ article
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:53:38 -0500
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As far as continuing education I think that several educational
opportunities should be considered. First is the various institutes that
are available, NIGR, Samford, Salt Lake, etc. Second many genealogical
societies offer conferences and other programs. In N. VA the Fairfax G. S.
hold an annual conference with 3-5 speakers. Many of them are speakers that
speak at the national conferences and institutes. This year we have Elissa
Powel, Maureen Taylor, Leslie Huber and myself. We also offer a fall fair
with a speaker, in 205 we had Pam Boyer, 2006 Gary and Diane Smith, and 2007
Christine Rose. 2008's speaker will be selected in Feb. Third is the
speakers that societies have at their monthly meetings. Because we have so
many national speakers live in the area, we have a lot of them for our
monthly speakers. Also I know that many APG chapter have speakers that
should add credit toward these educational requirements.

Chuck Mason
Fairfax Co., VA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanette Daniels" <>
To: "Christy Fillerup" <>; <>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [APG] Jones APGQ article


> Dear Everyone:
>
> The idea of Continuing Education credits is important. When HGC planned
> its genetic genealogy conference, we worked with the Utah Medical
> Association to get CME credits for MDs and other healthcare professionals.
> I believe that we were able to get 6 Continuing Medical Education credits.
> We had to pay money and pass a rigorous investigation of our program to
> get this. I was very pleased that the UMA believed that genealogy and
> genetics were important enough to allow HGC (Heritage Genealogical
> College) to apply for and receive this credit. We also applied for and
> got credit, (I believe it was 12 Continuing Education Credits) for
> Educators following a similar process. The APG at this time doesn't have
> authority with any credit granting board or agency to give Continuing
> Credits. Since APG is a national organization, it would have to apply
> through some type of national agency or perhaps through several state
> agencies.
>
> I really think that this is a good idea and I'm happy to hear that the
> Angelina program is doing this in regardings to continuing education
> credits for Educators.
>
> Getting credit through approved local and state agencies would be a very
> important first step to building up the genealogical profession in the
> eyes of the public as well as other professionals. The big question now
> is what agencies would you want to apply to get the credit through and who
> will pay for this credit that is issued. It isn't free. This would
> definitely give genealogical conferences more of an appeal to educators,
> doctors, lawyers, etc. if they knew that they could satisfy their own
> professions continuing education credits and enjoy something new and
> different for them - meaning a better understanding of how they could use
> genealogists and genealogical and historical research in their own line of
> work.
>
> In order to really appeal to these other groups, you must have a minimum
> of at least 20 credits for educators, doctors and lawyers to get them
> there. 20 credits per year seems to be the magic number.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeanette
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Christy Fillerup <>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:27:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [APG] Jones APGQ article
>
> As an aspiring professional I like Elissa's suggestion of a mentoring
> system. It would be extremely valuable in working toward a career as a
> genealogist. It would, however, put more pressure on existing members,
> and
> could possibly be a burden on their time. Although I would not currently
> meet the requirements proposed to be a full fledged member of APG, I still
> support the idea. In most arenas the public can judge professionals by
> their educational credentials, or their monetary track record. Though
> these
> would apply to some extent, there still remains a hole that a tiered
> membership could fill.
>
> Christy Fillerup
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [APG] Jones APGQ article
>
>
>>
>> I, too, like the idea of a kind of points system. But I'm not sure I like
>> the mentor factor. This falls into the realm of subjective. I'm just
>> afraid
>> the accusations would start flying about "cliques" and "so and so just
>> doesn't LIKE me" and so forth.
>>
>> And yet, I also thought that there should be a way for a person to submit
>> recommendations from members of the top level of membership as part of
>> the
>> requirement, in order to join at that top level, as part of the point
>> system
>> if you didn't have the CG, AG, or BA in Genealogical Studies to qualify.
>>
>> Naming the levels is important and I don't like the word "novice." I
>> think
>> simply (1) member and (2) qualified/full/professional member. No, that's
>> still not the right terminology, and I also still think there should be
>> three levels. So, OK, naming terminology is a difficult task, but surely
>> we
>> can put our heads together and come up with three descriptive,
>> non-biasing
>> yet accurate terms for levels of membership. Regards, Carolyn
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG" <>
>> To: <>; <>
>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [APG] Jones APGQ article
>>
>>
>>> Cathi,
>>> I think we are all agreed that we don't want to create another
>>> certifying
>>> body but that we do need some distinctions. I thought your point system
>>> was
>>> interesting. It should be fairly objective.
>>>
>>> To throw out another idea I was wondering about the lineage society
>>> system
>>> of recommendations. Basically have to have a sponsoring member bring you
>>> in.
>>> To carry it further, perhaps the sponsoring member would be a mentor -
>>> someone who would be a personal contact and collaborator on problems.
>>> They
>>> would have a good feel if the apprentice was heading on the right track
>>> and
>>> perhaps even see some of the apprentice's work for general comment or
>>> because they could subcontract to them. This reminds me of a guild
>>> system
>>> where the apprentice, after study and practice, can then become a
>>> craftsman
>>> and then a master craftsman.
>>>
>>> Thinking as I'm typing: if one would combine the two parts, perhaps a
>>> point
>>> system where a recommendation from a full member could carry so many
>>> points
>>> (either full or half) depending on where the apprentice fit. Although we
>>> all
>>> work independently, you can't get through conferences, seminars, society
>>> management, institutes, and courses without becoming known to an APG
>>> member,
>>> probably several, and work with them and for them on projects.
>>>
>>> I like the idea that a professional can join APG at any level (novice,
>>> intermediate, long-time professional) but to designate through their
>>> membership tier and privileges what the public can expect their
>>> experience
>>> to be. Someone mentioned not having novices in the online directory.
>>> Perhaps
>>> that would be a privilege that is earned through points or
>>> what-have-you.
>>>
>>> More thoughts to add to the pot...
>>> -- Elissa in Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> Elissa Scalise Powell, CG
>>> www.PowellGenealogy.com
>>> CG and Certified Genealogist are Service Marks of the Board for
>>> Certification of Genealogists used under license after periodic
>>> evaluations
>>> by the Board.
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:18 PM
>>>>
>>>> I have enjoyed reading all the responses to the article by Tom Jones. I
>>> have found the
>>>> responses, as the article, to be well reasoned and carefully thought
>>>> out.
>>> I can see the
>>>> possible difficulties of APG putting itself in the position of judging
>>>> a
>>> portfolio or work
>>>> sample. It would become akin to another form of certification. As I was
>>> mulling over the
>>>> question, I wondered whether some sort of point system could be
>>>> designed
>>> to document
>>>> experience and continuing education, which would make a person eligible
>>> for a full
>>>> membership in APG.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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