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From: "Eileen M O'Duill" <>
Subject: [APG] Fw: Catholic records
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:03:31 +0100


> Jeanette Daniels wrote:
>
> On 7 May, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Jeanette Daniels wrote:
>>
>>> Claire:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was hoping that no one would bring this up. The less said, the less
>>> likely that the Catholic Church would try to stop what has already
>>> happened. I doubt that the Pope or those who work closely with him
>>> have any idea of the magnitude of Catholic Church records that have
>>> already been microfilmed around the world. It took many years for the
>>> FHL to get permission to film Catholic Church records from various
>>> places. They would not have been filmed without permission. There is
>>> obviously a misunderstanding by the current Catholic leadership. I
>>> personally believe that legally it would be very difficult for the
>>> current Pope to restrict all Catholic records that have been previously
>>> microfilmed at the FHL.
>
> "The less said, the less likely that the Catholic Church would try to stop
> what has already happened."?
>
> You might be interested to know that some years ago, the Archbishop of
> Cashel and Emly here in Ireland took the decision to withdraw access to
> all the parish registers of his diocese which had been filmed by the
> National Library of Ireland and the LDS church. The films were removed
> from access in the Library and it was our understanding at the time that
> similar instructions were sent to Salt Lake City. Access to Cashel and
> Emly records was no longer allowed in the Family History Library and FHCs
> around the world. The Archbishop then established a heritage centre in
> Tipperary town which provides sole access to their records. It is a
> situation which we have learned to live with in the intervening years.
>
> My point is that law is based on precedent. It would appear that the LDS
> church honoured the Archbishop's instructions which, apparently, were in
> accordance with the original agreement signed at the time. If agreements
> signed with other bishops are similar, there is no reason to believe that
> they are not within their rights to exercise this same option. I think,
> Jeanette, the Catholic hierarchy will have no difficulty in reviewing the
> terms of the agreements regardless of when or where they were signed.
>
> As for the Pope or those who work closely with him having any idea of the
> magnitude of Catholic records already filmed....the Catholic church is one
> of the world's greatest bureaucracies and well able to ascertain how many
> of their registers were filmed by the LDS. Nightmare scenario that it is,
> the church hierarchy may have every legal right to pull each and every
> microfilm. In such a case, should we not be considering ways to appeal to
> church authorities to make access available through their own system of
> diocesan archives? The Tipperary solution may be our best hope.
>
> Eileen M. Ó Dúill, CG
> 47 Delwood Road
> Castleknock
> Dublin 15
> Ireland
>
> email:
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> after periodic competency evaluations
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Claire Bettag" <>
> To: "Jeanette Daniels" <>
> Cc: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [APG] Catholic records
>
>
>> Agreed on all points
>> Claire
>>
>> Claire Bettag
>> 1685 34th Street NW
>> Washington DC 20007
>> 202-625-2598
>>
>>
>> On 7 May, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Jeanette Daniels wrote:
>>
>>> Claire:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was hoping that no one would bring this up. The less said, the less
>>> likely that the Catholic Church would try to stop what has already
>>> happened. I doubt that the Pope or those who work closely with him
>>> have any idea of the magnitude of Catholic Church records that have
>>> already been microfilmed around the world. It took many years for the
>>> FHL to get permission to film Catholic Church records from various
>>> places. They would not have been filmed without permission. There is
>>> obviously a misunderstanding by the current Catholic leadership. I
>>> personally believe that legally it would be very difficult for the
>>> current Pope to restrict all Catholic records that have been previously
>>> microfilmed at the FHL.
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree that it is wrong for over-zealous Mormons to do Temple Work for
>>> those who lived before that are not directly related to them. It is
>>> supposed to be restricted to direct-line ancestors and siblings of
>>> those people, especially anyone born after circa 1880. I believe that
>>> those who were doing theHolocaust extraction really made a mistake by
>>> extracting the names of people who had lived too recently. It is
>>> offensive to those who have their own religious beliefs to feel that
>>> someone else is forcing religion upon others. I agree and understand
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do believe that the Family History Library is doing a wonderful
>>> service to all genealogists (professional and amateur) by spending the
>>> money needed to perserve historical and genealogical records of all
>>> types and all religions throughout the world. I have no problem with
>>> old Church registers being extracted and the information made available
>>> on the IGI. We have all used it. The people whose names have been
>>> extracted from these registers are long dead and there are no current
>>> family members jumping up and down worried about what religion they are
>>> now. The fact that these names have been processed through the LDS
>>> temples doesn't bother me either because this is meaningless. No one
>>> dead or alive is going to change his religious beliefs unless he wants
>>> to. Obviously, God created us all and it is up to us to appreciate
>>> our differences. That's part of the joy of doing genealogical
>>> research. We find out about ourselves and our ancestors.
>>>
>>>
>>> APG should work together as a group to work for the preservation of any
>>> records no matter what church or country they come from. Our
>>> religiously diversified group can make a real difference in helping
>>> those in charge of Catholic Church records understand the importance of
>>> not restricting these records. Perhaps our efforts should be directed
>>> more to helping those in charge understand why the sharing of records
>>> is so important versus an imagined crisis in the next life.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeanette
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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