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From: "Rick Sayre, CG" <>
Subject: Re: [APG] Map Question
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:17:08 -0400
References: <mailman.40892.1221675599.4910.apg@rootsweb.com><A236C02FD5A1864B95C35BB3D445C98102A1573C@cossmgmbx09.EMAIL.CORP.TLD>
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You might also try looking at a historic topographic map. These maps for
much of Virginia are online at http://historical.maptech.com/.



Richard "Rick" G. Sayre, CG
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-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf
Of Elliott, Desta (JCNA)
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:34 PM
To:
Subject: [APG] Map Question



I am doing some cemetery research in rural areas where the cemeteries
may no longer be in use. I can find 50+ year old directions which refer
"the intersection of Tom's Creek and Guests River.{Wise County, VA} " Is
there an online source that shows & names waterways?


Desta Elliott MA MBA
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Today's Topics:

1. I am the owner of Genealogyfreelancers.com
(GenealogyFreelancers.com)
2. Additional note from the owner of genealogyfreelancers.com
(GenealogyFreelancers.com)
3. Toledo Ohio (Kelvin Meyers)
4. Re: Additional note from the owner of
genealogyfreelancers.com (Jeanette Daniels)
5. Re: Misuse? (Anne Roach)
6. Need Researcher in Warrington, Lancashire, England
(Christopher T. Smithson)
7. Re: Misuse? (Patti Hobbs)
8. Re: Misuse? (Jeanette Daniels)
9. Re: Misuse? (Patti Hobbs)
10. Re: Bloggers and Writers wanted (Kenyatta D. Berry)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:48:12 -0400
From: "GenealogyFreelancers.com" <>
Subject: [APG] I am the owner of Genealogyfreelancers.com
To: <>
Message-ID: <008901c91888$fd601080$>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"

Greetings All,

Well, being that my company genealogyfreelancers.com seems to be the
topic of much conversation within this list, I have decided to take this
opportunity to clear some things up as well as introduce myself. Many
of you seem to be going through great pains in your attempt to find out
who we are, so I'll start with that point. I'm Deborah Irwin and I am
an APG member, a member of the PGSA and the PGSM (Michigan chapter) as
well as FEEFTHS. I have been doing research for too many years to
mention however, I have officially been in business with my company,
Ancestral Attic, for the past 7 years. This is strictly Poland (and
former regions) research and we also conduct private village tours. It
has done me well, we're well respected and it's been my baby. I don't
have the deepest pockets from it, but I've had the pride from dirty
hands.

GenealogyFreelancers has come from this background. We aren't a big
conglomerate. We're a partnership of 3 individuals who have formed a
company under the name Irbo Inc. You have correctly deduced that one of
us resides in Greeley, Colorado and two reside in Carp Lake, Michigan.
That should explain the conflicting addresses. The Handyman Connection
thing was the business of my partners husband - absolutely no relation
to GenealogyFreelancers nor do we have any connection to getafreelancer
who does computer tech work - I think.

As for the postcards, We have, for the past year been researching the
best possible candidates to begin this journey with. The APG along with
other international genealogy organizations were a no brainer in order
to ensure that we do this thing right. We have not purchased a single
mailing list nor have we used an outside source to find anyone. We do
what we do best and that is research. We have tried to be as respectful
as possible and thought that the idea of a postcard would be the best
place to start in place of an obtrusive mass emailing.

After reading all of your posts, I was not too surprised at the
reaction. I would have been astonished if you hadn't been suspect and
wondered what we were all about. I hope I can calm some of your fears
or misgivings. Mainly, I'm in this for the love of genealogy and would
die before I gave it a black eye.

The one thing that is of the utmost importance to us is the respect of
the APG and the genealogy field. In turn we want nothing more than to
gain that respect. Our bottom line is not the dollar, honestly!

We will do our level best to protect the reputation of this field. Our
name is also at stake. We are currently implementing a verification
process in order to confirm memberships to professional organizations
and we also plan to authenticate any educational experience
(degrees/certifications) where possible. This is not a
commercialization of the field; to me it is a way for professionals to
expand their clientele, a means for new graduates in the field to find
work, and a place for those seeking their ancestry to find the help they
need. We will do our part to help set industry standards at all cost.

If anyone has even the slightest question please contact me at
The last thing in the world you'll get
from me is a sales pitch. If you have ideas or suggestions, I'm all
ears. The last thing I want is to be that .treelance company you all
have mentioned :-(

Deb Irwin



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:14:50 -0400
From: "GenealogyFreelancers.com" <>
Subject: [APG] Additional note from the owner of
genealogyfreelancers.com
To: <>
Message-ID: <001b01c918ae$3d156c00$>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252"

An additional thought......I completely understand skepticism and
curiosity about a new business and that proving yourself is in the
actions you take. I have read each post carefully and most concern
legitimate and understandable inquiries....who we are, what we stand
for, do we have a genealogical background, etc. Some comments though
caught me completely off guard. To be honest, I about had a heart
attack when terms like "credit card fraud" and "scams" were used coupled
with Deborah Irwin the owner of Ancestral Attic. Destruction of all the
years I spent building an excellent reputation flashed before my eyes.
If I found this thread, others could as well. That's why I have invited
any and all of you to come straight to the horse. I'm sure these words
were said in innocence and with the best intentions however, we all know
the power of the pen. It can be poisonous in this world of global
communications. The APG is all about ethics, and I hope that these
principles ca!
n be shown to new enterprises as well. Send me an email or post a
question here for me, but please defer judgment or accusations until you
get the facts. I have NEVER, EVER, NEVER been associated in any way,
shape, or form with any illegal activity. Should you require
testimonies from any of my Ancestral Attic clients, I will be more than
happy to have them post here.



Most importantly, please, PLEASE if any of you respond to this post; do
not use any derogatory wording such as those words that I have used to
illustrate my point in this post. Search engines have a way of finding
these things and as stated above, I have spent a lot of years building
up Ancestral Attic along with my reputation





I did want to add that if any of you are wondering if Ancestral Attic
wasn?t enough, the answer is easy; it is enough. I had thought of this
new venue initially because frankly, my researchers need to research,
plain and simple. Travel costs are killers; the high price of gas is not
exclusive to the States, that's another story, lest I digress.
Regardless, Poland is a huge place and I have researchers in all regions
so while one might be as busy as a bee for a few months, I might not
have another case in their particular area for quite some time and mean
while they get discouraged, find a job at the local sklep and remember
genealogy as a mere dream. I can't have that happen so I'll send one
that lives in Szczecin clear down to Krakow at a loss to me. These
researchers are just plain talented and to see them give up would be
criminal. I believe that genealogyfreelancers might give them an
option. I also know I might lose them to one of these jobs once in
awhile, but it'!
s a risk I'll gladly take if it means they will continue in the field.
Researchers are a loyal breed; they remember who treated them well, they
love to talk shop on how they managed a particular hurdle with someone
who's been there, done that. I trust that my researchers, my friends,
will be there for me as yours would be there for you.



I know all of you have had these connections with those who share your
passion, with client or researcher - it's inevitable. I guess to some
degree, I'm defending my decision to bring cases to a wider audience,
but I believe that talented people should have the chance to work their
magic. I can?t apologize or second guess my decision to begin this new
endeavor, because I believe in it - totally. My only hope is that the
skeptic audience in this thread will take a moment to find out what we
are really about.



One comment in this thread said that we should have announced our
intention to the APG prior to launching and for this I absolutely agree.
I have no excuse other than stupidity. It didn't occur to me to post it
in the mail group. I guess I thought that the postcards would act as an
official invitation. It didn't occur to me - a senior moment I guess,
and for this I am truly sorry for the lack in etiquette.



Thanks Again,

Deborah Irwin




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:19:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kelvin Meyers <>
Subject: [APG] Toledo Ohio
To:
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Listers:
?
I am in need of two obituaries from Toledo Ohio. One from 1975 and from
1992. If you can help please contact me off list.
?
Thanks,
Kelvin L. Meyers
?




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:28:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeanette Daniels <>
Subject: Re: [APG] Additional note from the owner of
genealogyfreelancers.com
To: "GenealogyFreelancers.com" <>,

Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7

Dear APG list:

I would like to mention that GenealogyFreelancers.com is giving everyone
on this list a chance to expand their research base through
advertisement on its website.? This is nothing new.? GenealogyPro and
ExpertGenealogy also have similar lists.? I know personally several
excellent professional genealogists who obtain clients from these two
lists.? As I have looked at GenealogyFreelancers.com, this site is
unique in that it gives patrons the chance to post their problems and
for professionals who need work to bid on the work.? Since several of
you newer to taking clients have expressed the need to know how to
expand your own genealogical businesses, I am surprised at some of the
negative responses on this list.??I am in no way affliated with
GenealogyFreelancers.com but I know that being on these types of
lists?is a great way?to jump-start your businesses.??Don't expect a
listing on the APG list, BCG list, AG list, etc. to be all that you need
to get your name and service information to potential clients.??The more
legimate places your business information is posted, the more likely you
will be to expand your own workloads and income.? I appreciate
GenealogyFreelancers.com's invitation to the APG and other genealogists
to post information to their very professional looking website.

Sincerely,

Jeanette Daniels?



----- Original Message ----
From: GenealogyFreelancers.com <>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:14:50 AM
Subject: [APG] Additional note from the owner of
genealogyfreelancers.com

An additional thought......I completely understand skepticism and
curiosity about a new business and that proving yourself is in the
actions you take. I have read each post carefully and most concern
legitimate and understandable inquiries....who we are, what we stand
for, do we have a genealogical background, etc. Some comments though
caught me completely off guard.? To be honest, I about had a heart
attack when terms like "credit card fraud" and "scams" were used coupled
with Deborah Irwin the owner of Ancestral Attic.? Destruction of all the
years I spent building an excellent reputation flashed before my eyes.?
If I found this thread, others could as well.? That's why I have invited
any and all of you to come straight to the horse.? I'm sure these words
were said in innocence and with the best intentions however, we all know
the power of the pen.? It can be poisonous in this world of global
communications.? The APG is all about ethics, and I hope that these
principles can be shown to new enterprises as well.? Send me an email or
post a question here for me, but please defer judgment or accusations
until you get the facts.? I have NEVER, EVER, NEVER been associated in
any way, shape, or form with any illegal activity.? Should you require
testimonies from any of my Ancestral Attic clients, I will be more than
happy to have them post here.



Most importantly, please, PLEASE if any of you respond to this post; do
not use any derogatory wording such as those words that I have used to
illustrate my point in this post.? Search engines have a way of finding
these things and as stated above, I have spent a lot of years building
up Ancestral Attic along with my reputation





I did want to add that if any of you are wondering if Ancestral Attic
wasn?t enough, the answer is easy; it is enough.? I had thought of this
new venue initially because frankly, my researchers need to research,
plain and simple. Travel costs are killers; the high price of gas is not
exclusive to the States, that's another story, lest I digress.?
Regardless, Poland is a huge place and I have researchers in all regions
so while one might be as busy as a bee for a few months, I might not
have another case in their particular area for quite some time and mean
while they get discouraged, find a job at the local sklep and remember
genealogy as a mere dream.? I can't have that happen so I'll send one
that lives in Szczecin clear down to Krakow at a loss to me. These
researchers are just plain talented and to see them give up would be
criminal.? I believe that genealogyfreelancers might give them an
option.? I also know I might lose them to one of these jobs once in
awhile, but it's a risk I'll gladly take if it means they will continue
in the field.? Researchers are a loyal breed; they remember who treated
them well, they love to talk shop on how they managed a particular
hurdle with someone who's been there, done that.? I trust that my
researchers, my friends, will be there for me as yours would be there
for you.



I know all of you have had these connections with those who share your
passion, with client or researcher - it's inevitable.? I guess to some
degree, I'm defending my decision to bring cases to a wider audience,
but I believe that talented people should have the chance to work their
magic.? I can?t apologize or second guess my decision to begin this new
endeavor, because I believe in it - totally.? My only hope is that the
skeptic audience in this thread will take a moment to find out what we
are really about.



One comment in this thread said that we should have announced our
intention to the APG prior to launching and for this I absolutely
agree.? I have no excuse other than stupidity.? It didn't occur to me to
post it in the mail group. I guess I thought that the postcards would
act as an official invitation.? It didn't occur to me - a senior moment
I guess, and for this I am truly sorry for the lack in etiquette.



Thanks Again,

Deborah Irwin







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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:37:29 -0600
From: Anne Roach <>
Subject: Re: [APG] Misuse?
To: Jeanette Daniels <>,
"GenealogyFreelancers.com" <>,
"" <>
Message-ID:
<>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I understand zeroing in on a specific database or useful tool for doing
research, but I am questioning the very recent use of this list for
advertising a specific business that does not offer any such databases.
Am I alone in this concern?

Anne

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:56:56 -0400
From: "Christopher T. Smithson" <>
Subject: [APG] Need Researcher in Warrington, Lancashire, England
To:
Message-ID: <>
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Hi --

I am in need of a researcher in Warrington, Lancashire, England. I am
working on a family that came from Ireland to Warrington between
1851-Aug 1857. I have some of the birth and marriage records from the
GRO I am looking for more information which I think would only be in the
Warrington area.

Please contact me off list if you can help.

Thank you,

Chris Smithson
Member of APG



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:58:32 -0500
From: Patti Hobbs <>
Subject: Re: [APG] Misuse?
Cc: "" <>
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

I haven't been an APG member for long, but when Deb explained how she
thought the postcard was the least invasive and that she hadn't thought
of letting people know on the list (in response to someone who thought
she should have), that this was exactly why I thought she should NOT
have posted to the list first. If she had posted that she was going to
do this to the list, it would have been perceived as advertising. As it
is now, she was merely responding to emails coming through the list
wondering about what she'd done. Seems perfectly reasonable to respond
to the queries.


Patti

On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Anne Roach wrote:

> I understand zeroing in on a specific database or useful tool for
> doing research, but I am questioning the very recent use of this list
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeanette Daniels <>
Subject: Re: [APG] Misuse?
To: Anne Roach <>,
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Anne:
???
??? I have noticed that misuse as well.? I also noticed that Kenyetta's
recent posting?was not reprimanded for her misuse of the list for her
own personal business.? That is why I think that
GenealogyFreelancers.com has been very mistreated on this list.

Jeanette



----- Original Message ----
From: Anne Roach <>
To: Jeanette Daniels <>;
GenealogyFreelancers.com <>;
"" <>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:37:29 AM
Subject: RE: [APG] Misuse?

I understand zeroing in on a specific database or useful tool for doing
research, but I am questioning the very recent use of this list for
advertising a specific business that does not offer any such databases.
Am I alone in this concern?

Anne

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:15:03 -0500
From: Patti Hobbs <>
Subject: Re: [APG] Misuse?
To: Jeanette Daniels <>
Cc:
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Ah, I misunderstood.

Patti
On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Jeanette Daniels wrote:

> Anne:
>
> I have noticed that misuse as well. I also noticed that
> Kenyetta's recent posting was not reprimanded for her misuse of the
> list for her own personal business. That is why I think that
> GenealogyFreelancers.com has been very mistreated on this list.
>
> Jeanette
>
>
>
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> Subject: RE: [APG] Misuse?
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> I understand zeroing in on a specific database or useful tool for
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> list for advertising a specific business that does not offer any
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:19:40 -0700
From: "Kenyatta D. Berry" <>
Subject: Re: [APG] Bloggers and Writers wanted
To: apg <>
Message-ID:
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Greetings,

I have received many responses for my requests for bloggers with more
coming
in each day. I will respond to all interested parties individually with
next steps. Please do not hesitate to forward my message to others you
think might be interested in this new venture.

Thanks,

Kenyatta D. Berry

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Kenyatta D. Berry
<>wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I am looking for content writers and bloggers for a series of blogs we
are
> launching in the next six months. Specifically those with experience
in
> Native American (American Indian), African American, Presidential
Genealogy,
> Beginning Genealogy, Genetics, Family Health History and Research
> Methodology. We are also launching a query service for ethnic
genealogy.
> This is an unpaid position and is ideal for new writers looking to
broaden
> their reach in the genealogy community. Compensation will increase as
the
> site grows and we start to generate revenue from advertising and
> sponsorships. If you are interested and looking for an opportunity to
share
> your knowledge, please contact me off list for more details.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Kenyatta D. Berry
> http://www.slavegenealogy.com
> http://www.discovergenealogy.com
>



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http://www.slavegenealogy.com
http://www.discovergenealogy.com


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