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From: Jean Strain <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Indian research - Bud, Donna and Janice
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:55:59 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <005101c4f747$00854850$0c00a8c0@D5701Q51>


That was so SAD the way they tore those children away from everything that was familiar and known to them, and set them down in a foreign world~~~Jean in Tx

Bernie Moore-Knowles <> wrote:Bud

That's it! The Chilocco Indian School. Yes, that was it. Glad you have
some brain cells - because I sure don't. But, you all already knew that,
didn't you?

This school was like early Bacon College and Carlisle (sp) Indian School in
Pennsylvania. Federal govenrment convinced (?) the parents of Indian
children in Oklahoma that it was for the best interest of their offspring if
they would pull them out of their various native environments and be placed
in a White world. Forget the languages, forget the native church and live
White.

Of course, my mother was raised by a White mother; Nancy Emma Blankinship of
Izard Co. But, I can tell you that once we lived in Tulsa - mother attended
native church and probably like many of you from mixed blood backgrounds; I
was raised with many, many Indian ways. Mannerisms, food, religion,
etc......... that I did not even realize that were native at the time. I
thought everyone was raised like I was! LOL

Thanks for the brain cells, Bud. For the life of me; couldn't recall the
name - but, it was Chilocco Indian School. I bet we could unearth some
"interesting" records from the federal government from these various
"removal schools," don't you think?

Bernie Moore-Knowles
Papa'aloa, Hawai'i

"Swaying palms in paradise........"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bud Hendrix"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Indian research - Donna and Janice


> Chilocco Indian school Noit Chitocco
> Bud Hendrix
> Winfield,Ks.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bud Hendrix"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Indian research - Donna and Janice
>
>
> > Hi Bernie
> > Chitocco Indian school Jest over in Ok.across the stat line form Ark
City
> > (Arkansas City) Ks.
> > Bud
> >
> >
> > Bud Hendrix
> > Winfield,Ks.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bernie Moore-Knowles"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Indian research - Donna and Janice
> >
> >
> > > Well girls,
> > >
> > > I thought about you Donna, when I saw that Janice was from Ark City.
My
> > old
> > > stomping grounds! Listen girls - what was the name of the Indian
school
> > > that is there just at the state line? My mind is blank.
> > >
> > > That last buying trip that I made to Ark City; a friend went with me.
> > Both
> > > of her parents had been "removed" to this Indian School as late as the
> > 1940s
> > > for their "education." Cyndy had grown up in Tahlequah; there in
> > Cherokee
> > > Co. and wanted to just see where it was that her mother and
step-father
> > had
> > > been indoctrined into the White world - so, we made a detour and went
to
> > > investigate.
> > >
> > > As we drove through the gates; what we saw was pleasant enough,
> actually.
> > > But, it was after we got onto the grounds of the school that we
realized
> > > that where we were was eerie. This was the place that her parents had
> > > struggled to retain their Indian identities and the buildings and the
> > > grounds reflected the blankness of it all. Not good. And I am sure
> that
> > it
> > > was not good when they were there.
> > >
> > > A short distance from this school; also - there is a historical marker
> to
> > > the side of the highway. We were curious, so we stopped to read what
it
> > had
> > > to say. And this folks is the way that history was written in
Oklahoma
> > and
> > > I am sure other Indian territories across our country.
> > >
> > > The marker basically said that this was the place that one of the land
> > runs
> > > had been placed from. And that the land was formerly that of the
> Cherokee
> > > Nation. After the run; the Nation was paid "x' amount of monies for
> their
> > > excess lands..........meaning all lands not acquired by the White led
> run;
> > > were then calculated and the Nation was paid for this excess.
> > >
> > > My friend and I just stood there in disbelief.
> > >
> > > The marker had been placed there; I want to say in the 1930s by a
> women's
> > > group of some sort.
> > >
> > > The fact is, folks - these excess lands were never paid for by the
> federal
> > > government. That was our disbelief and as people with Indian blood
and
> > > students of Indian history...........we both knew better. But, here
> was
> > a
> > > historical marker placed on an Oklahoma highway and what it
represented
> > was
> > > an untruth. Period.
> > >
> > > Moral of this story?
> > >
> > > "Don't always trust the words of the historical markers on our
nation's
> > > highways. Which is why that day that Cyndy and I began referring to
> them
> > as
> > > 'hysterical markers!'"
> > >
> > > Welcome Janice...............and you have an auction house? Ever have
> old
> > > furniture come through your house? Do I need to make a buying trip
back
> > to
> > > Ark City? Think I could load up and make it to the west coast with it
> > all?
> > >
> > >
> > > Donna? How's the Indian research coming along?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bernie Moore-Knowles
> > > Papa'aloa, Hawai'i
> > >
> > > "Swaying palms in paradise........"
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Donna Faul"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 1:35 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [ARIZARD-L] Welcome New Listers!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Janice,
> > > > Welcome to the list and you will have a great time in your research
> and
> > > couldn't ask
> > > > for a better list to be on than this one, I live next door to you, I
> > live
> > > in Newkirk Okla,
> > > > What a small world...
> > > > Donna
> > > >
> > > > Janice Neagle wrote:
> > > > Hi, I'm fairly new, so I'll get in here. My name is Janice Neagle, I
> > live
> > > > in Arkansas City, KS. I was born and raised in Kansas. My husband
and
> I
> > > > own an auction company, Coyote Auction, and I am the Human Resource
> > > Director
> > > > for Cowley College. I have one son, daughter-in-law, grandson,
> > > > granddaughter, step-son, step-daughter, and two step granddaughters.
> I'm
> > > > addicted to genealogy, however because I work full-time, I don't
have
> as
> > > > much time as I would like. You will also find, I am not very
organized
> > > > (yet). So please be patient with me if I ask the same questions of
> some
> > of
> > > > you more than once. My father was a Pryor(he died 30 years ago), and
> my
> > > > mother was a Delk before she married. Her side of the family is why
> I'm
> > on
> > > > your list. She is related to the Delks, Raders, Woodcocks, Brays,
> > > > Langstons, etc. They all lived around your area.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jean Mayfield Cuevas [mailto:]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:58 PM
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: [ARIZARD-L] Welcome New Listers!
> > > >
> > > > Good Evening,
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