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From: Don Ott <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Jesse Ball- Bernie
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:45:47 -0500
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Thanks Bernie, You might send the chart you have, if not to much
trouble. I got a query on this family and was trying to help someone.
This is not my line.
Don


At 03:07 AM 06-04-06, you wrote:
>Hi Don
>
>Thought I would take a minute and read over the posts from you all. Love to
>read them; but just have been swamped with work and unable to really
>contribute.
>
>But...........
>
>About five years ago when I saw that my Smiths had intermarried with the
>Balls - I started asking some questions. Got some interesting information
>and one reponse was from a really lovely lady that was involved with our
>List regularly - before her death. Her name was Liv and she was just a joy.
>
>My understanding is that Liv's eyesight was quite poor - so, her posts were
>a little hard to follow for me - but, always so informative. I believe that
>Liv had grown up in Fulton County?
>
>It seems when she was a child that she came across an old homestead AND a
>few really old Ball family gravemarkers - from the 1700s in birth years.
>
>Jesse Ball's father was a George W. Ball (weren't they all?) and his mother
>was named Sarah Moore. My understanding is that George Ball died circa 1850
>and died enroute to Arkansas. But, after reading this post of Liv's - it
>could be that he died shortly after his arrival or the old, old
>gravemarker(s) was that of his wife's?
>
>Here are two older notes from my files:
>
>From: "MARILYN Smith" <>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001
>George W. Ball and Sarah Moore were Shadrach's parents. They migrated from
>Claiborne County, Tennessee, to Izard County, Arkansas around 1850 and then
>on to eastern Kansas in 1861. Shadrach had a brother George W., III who
>married Edna Elizabeth Heath, 1856,b.may 22, 1837. They also had a daughter
>named Mary Elizabeth,b. 17 feb.1863, d. 10 Oct 1932 m. Robert Rosebrough,
>Oct, 1882.I also found several others named elizabeth in the family.
>Elizabeth Bales b. 1819 mapr 24,1845, d july 27 1896 married Shadrach's
>brother Tilman Dickson Ball, lived their entire lives in Rose HILL, in Lee
>County, Va., some of their children migrated west to Kansas and other
>states.
>
>From: <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001
>Subject: [ARIZARD-L] legal<G>
><G> Jean, 1932-34 a couple of weeds south of no where and over yonder
>west of any where legalities rarely mean the same as today. It was still
>when the wagon 'garage" was made of 12 x 12 inch logs and oxen shoes "metal"
>still hung on the wall. a spinning wheel was still in the celler and the old
>3 legged black kettle was used to make all purpose soap, by building a wood
>fire around it. It was also used to boil the clothes being washed....after
>they were scrubbed on the board, wrung out and got boiled 20 min. if not
>longer ( the time it took to scrub board the load of colored
>clothes....which was bib overalls and feed sack best church dresses.) Then
>you put them in clean water scrub boarded again wrung them and sent thru a
>blueing water which made them whiter then a starch water for pillow cases,
>dresses and white shirts. Then ya put the all iron on the cook stove or set
>them on the coals of the fire place, got on hands and knees and then if ya
>ironed in a wrinkle ya stood up to eat while your back side healed from the
>handy peach tree limb, swung with a lesson in case there was a next time,
>the following week.<G> then you'd best eat all your helping of turnips or
>black eyed peas or worse pumpkin. ;). I want to say the dates on the
>stones was 1700's but its long ago and I was young ( once).Liv would not
>
>Also?
>
>I have that Jesse's son; George was born in January 1850 in Virginia. I
>don't know if that helps - but, it may well be that this family was in a
>wagon train during that 1850 census and was not enumerated? Or maybe check
>Claiborne Co., Tennessee?
>
>And...........it does appear that some of the children went on to Kansas -
>but, I see them there in the years just prior to the Civil War. It would be
>interesting to trace this Ball family, Don - but, as far as I know - they do
>not connect to the Ball family that my Eliza Ball Smith connects to.
>
>Kathy Lueck may know more - but, bless her heart - it is tax time and I know
>that she must be swamped.
>
>If you would like to see the chart that I have on this family - would be
>glad to post. It is some older work and it may not help you at all.
>But..........
>
>Ya never know,
>
>Bernie Moore-Knowles
>Papa'aloa, Hawai'i
>
>"I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White blood for you to
>question my honesty." ........Will Rogers
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don Ott" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Jesse Ball
>
>
> > Thanks Vera, I did not note two additional kids in 1880, I
> > think the others are probably same except Tillman H. D. . I did not
> > know what to do about him because he is 18 and Jesse has been married
> > to Eliza (Louisa) at least 20 years (she is listed in 1860 as wife).
> > The key probably is 1850 census but I can not locate him.
> > In 1900 Eliza is living with daughter Lety.
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> > At 05:27 PM 05-04-06, you wrote:
> > >1860 & 1870 as June said wife was Eliza.
> > >1880 wife was Louiza and there was a daughter Letticia
> > >
> > >IN 1880 there are 2 children 15 - 18 that weren't listed in the 1870
> > >as children of Eliza & Jesse.
> > >Could they be step-children if Jesse and children of Louiza from
> > >another marriage ????
> > >
> > >>I note in the Izard Co. History that Jesse Ball b. ca 1826, Lee Co.
> > >>VA, has two wives Letticia ( ) and Eliza ( ). The book lists his
> > >>children but does not say with which wife.
> > >>Any Help?
> > >>Don
> > >>
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