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From: Don Ott <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Jesse Ball
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:48:27 -0500
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Bernie,
I did the Soundex and checked, including Bell, but found no
family that seemed to fit. Jesse should have one or two children in
the 1850 Census if we could just find him. He may well have been en route.
Don



At 03:24 AM 06-04-06, you wrote:
>Don?
>
>Check your census record for the Balls under the BELL surname.
>
>Bernie Moore-Knowles
>Papa'aloa, Hawai'i
>
>"I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White blood for you to
>question my honesty." ........Will Rogers
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bernie Moore-Knowles" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Jesse Ball - Don
>
>
> > Hi Don
> >
> > Thought I would take a minute and read over the posts from you all. Love
>to
> > read them; but just have been swamped with work and unable to really
> > contribute.
> >
> > But...........
> >
> > About five years ago when I saw that my Smiths had intermarried with the
> > Balls - I started asking some questions. Got some interesting information
> > and one reponse was from a really lovely lady that was involved with our
> > List regularly - before her death. Her name was Liv and she was just a
>joy.
> >
> > My understanding is that Liv's eyesight was quite poor - so, her posts
>were
> > a little hard to follow for me - but, always so informative. I believe
>that
> > Liv had grown up in Fulton County?
> >
> > It seems when she was a child that she came across an old homestead AND a
> > few really old Ball family gravemarkers - from the 1700s in birth years.
> >
> > Jesse Ball's father was a George W. Ball (weren't they all?) and his
>mother
> > was named Sarah Moore. My understanding is that George Ball died circa
>1850
> > and died enroute to Arkansas. But, after reading this post of Liv's - it
> > could be that he died shortly after his arrival or the old, old
> > gravemarker(s) was that of his wife's?
> >
> > Here are two older notes from my files:
> >
> > From: "MARILYN Smith" <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001
> > George W. Ball and Sarah Moore were Shadrach's parents. They migrated from
> > Claiborne County, Tennessee, to Izard County, Arkansas around 1850 and
>then
> > on to eastern Kansas in 1861. Shadrach had a brother George W., III who
> > married Edna Elizabeth Heath, 1856,b.may 22, 1837. They also had a
>daughter
> > named Mary Elizabeth,b. 17 feb.1863, d. 10 Oct 1932 m. Robert Rosebrough,
> > Oct, 1882.I also found several others named elizabeth in the family.
> > Elizabeth Bales b. 1819 mapr 24,1845, d july 27 1896 married Shadrach's
> > brother Tilman Dickson Ball, lived their entire lives in Rose HILL, in Lee
> > County, Va., some of their children migrated west to Kansas and other
> > states.
> >
> > From: <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001
> > Subject: [ARIZARD-L] legal<G>
> > <G> Jean, 1932-34 a couple of weeds south of no where and over yonder
> > west of any where legalities rarely mean the same as today. It was
>still
> > when the wagon 'garage" was made of 12 x 12 inch logs and oxen shoes
>"metal"
> > still hung on the wall. a spinning wheel was still in the celler and the
>old
> > 3 legged black kettle was used to make all purpose soap, by building a
>wood
> > fire around it. It was also used to boil the clothes being washed....after
> > they were scrubbed on the board, wrung out and got boiled 20 min. if not
> > longer ( the time it took to scrub board the load of colored
> > clothes....which was bib overalls and feed sack best church dresses.)
>Then
> > you put them in clean water scrub boarded again wrung them and sent thru a
> > blueing water which made them whiter then a starch water for pillow cases,
> > dresses and white shirts. Then ya put the all iron on the cook stove or
>set
> > them on the coals of the fire place, got on hands and knees and then if
>ya
> > ironed in a wrinkle ya stood up to eat while your back side healed from
>the
> > handy peach tree limb, swung with a lesson in case there was a next time,
> > the following week.<G> then you'd best eat all your helping of turnips or
> > black eyed peas or worse pumpkin. ;). I want to say the dates on the
> > stones was 1700's but its long ago and I was young ( once).Liv would not
> >
> > Also?
> >
> > I have that Jesse's son; George was born in January 1850 in Virginia. I
> > don't know if that helps - but, it may well be that this family was in a
> > wagon train during that 1850 census and was not enumerated? Or maybe
>check
> > Claiborne Co., Tennessee?
> >
> > And...........it does appear that some of the children went on to Kansas -
> > but, I see them there in the years just prior to the Civil War. It would
>be
> > interesting to trace this Ball family, Don - but, as far as I know - they
>do
> > not connect to the Ball family that my Eliza Ball Smith connects to.
> >
> > Kathy Lueck may know more - but, bless her heart - it is tax time and I
>know
> > that she must be swamped.
> >
> > If you would like to see the chart that I have on this family - would be
> > glad to post. It is some older work and it may not help you at all.
> > But..........
> >
> > Ya never know,
> >
> > Bernie Moore-Knowles
> > Papa'aloa, Hawai'i
> >
> > "I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White blood for you to
> > question my honesty." ........Will Rogers
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don Ott" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Jesse Ball
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Vera, I did not note two additional kids in 1880, I
> > > think the others are probably same except Tillman H. D. . I did not
> > > know what to do about him because he is 18 and Jesse has been married
> > > to Eliza (Louisa) at least 20 years (she is listed in 1860 as wife).
> > > The key probably is 1850 census but I can not locate him.
> > > In 1900 Eliza is living with daughter Lety.
> > > Don
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 05:27 PM 05-04-06, you wrote:
> > > >1860 & 1870 as June said wife was Eliza.
> > > >1880 wife was Louiza and there was a daughter Letticia
> > > >
> > > >IN 1880 there are 2 children 15 - 18 that weren't listed in the 1870
> > > >as children of Eliza & Jesse.
> > > >Could they be step-children if Jesse and children of Louiza from
> > > >another marriage ????
> > > >
> > > >>I note in the Izard Co. History that Jesse Ball b. ca 1826, Lee Co.
> > > >>VA, has two wives Letticia ( ) and Eliza ( ). The book lists his
> > > >>children but does not say with which wife.
> > > >>Any Help?
> > > >>Don
> > > >>
> > > >>
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